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Zulfy Mafia Scum
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If I'm going to speculate about your intentions, some of it is going to end up being "but would he really do that as scum, or would he not do it because he would know that I would know he would do it as scum, so then he would do it because he'd know he'd be safe," etc, etc. It's actually kind of inevitable, and so you have to draw the line somewhere.In post 2474, Jaack wrote:I'm sorry, but this is totally wifom. I must be scum because I'm acting exactly opposite how scum would act.
I try to draw that line by asking whether there's any other evidence to support it. In this case, there is.
As soon as I see somebody say this, I start getting paranoid that they had this explanation ready at the time of the action. But I'll bite.In post 2474, Jaack wrote:Why would I, as scum
The reason you'd go for one of Tyler or me over xyzzy is because you have to think about the endgame and not just what's in front of you. Xyzzy was what was in front of you.
Ah you're right, I mixed up the timing there. That leaves me p much clueless as to the reasoning behind the Zachstral kill.In post 2475, Jaack wrote:Furthermore, I didn't push Robert at all going into d3, I pushed xyzzy in my opening post.
Dunn kill still points your way imo."Half of the game is figuring out who the scum is. The other half is convincing everyone else that you're right." -- PlaysWithSquirrels, in Newbie 437-
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really? because i maintain that ha interactions did make keyser look a good bit more townIn post 2465, Bins wrote:Tyler's read on Keyser also bugs the fuck out of me and I think that's the main reason.
like the only explanation for that much badmouthing to me would be like some hate developing in the scumchat for some reason
or just that ha felt like going really heavy and sharp on the distancing when he didn't really need to?
honestly we lucked out with creature replacing in and just emanating scum because you saw how tough that blockade was for me to break before that creature lynch
bussing usually doesn't fool me either; ive gotten pretty immune to that lately-
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what do you want me to say?In post 2480, Bins wrote:This isn't the way you should be talking if you're town in this scenario.
i feel like ive obvtowned pretty hard this game
reads have been mediocre to okayish i think too-
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1 and 3 are fair takes from vca and I have nothing to argue with thereIn post 2427, Ircher wrote:Some things:
1) For almost all of D4, the Jaack wagon was composed of conf town with both Dunn and Xy on it til the last VC where Dunn compromised on Xy
2) The fact Dun got nk'd is another tell-tale sign. Esp. since there's 2 other conf town.
3) Jaack never voting until the end of D4 where he seems to got on the Xyzzy wagon right before the lynch. I wonder why.....
4) Jack stayed put on the Dunn counterwagon to Creature D3. Granted, Jake was on the wagon too, but so was creature who was scum. Not to mention the wagon existed all of D3.
5) Jaack was on the D2 ML wagon.....
2 - I've addressed this (I think) but no matter who the nk n4 was going to be, I was their top suspect.
4 - (I dont know if youve read the whole thread so background) Dunn fakeclaimed cop d3 before Jake cc'd with an inno on dunn. Both Jake and I assumed gf while everyone else mostly believed dunn was clear.
A second contributing factor to my support for a dunn lynch was that all three of his wagoners on d2 were confirmed town at the time. When creature flipped scum, that diminished that factor in my mind, which made mean lean against the gf factor.
5 - this is accurate of tool as well, and whole Tyler was not on the final lynch, he had started the initial drive on that slot, and had given intent to hammer before Jake beat him to the punch.
With the exception of the craziness that was d3, tool and I have been on pretty similar wagons this entire game.
This admittedly doesn't feel like much of a defense as opposed to a case that tool is scum, but based on his posts today, I'm pretty convinced he is and would like to push the lylo players in that direction.
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I draw the line when you start saying "scum wouldn't normally do this, but that's what the scum want you to think!"In post 2476, toolenduso wrote:
If I'm going to speculate about your intentions, some of it is going to end up being "but would he really do that as scum, or would he not do it because he would know that I would know he would do it as scum, so then he would do it because he'd know he'd be safe," etc, etc. It's actually kind of inevitable, and so you have to draw the line somewhere.In post 2474, Jaack wrote:I'm sorry, but this is totally wifom. I must be scum because I'm acting exactly opposite how scum would act.
I try to draw that line by asking whether there's any other evidence to support it. In this case, there is.
It looks like you are trying to convince yourself that I am scum because you already know I'm not.
I totally understand why someone would be concerned with me talking about what I would have done if I were scum, but you brought up my non-existent scum motives in the first place. How else can I explain your wrongness.In post 2476, toolenduso wrote:
As soon as I see somebody say this, I start getting paranoid that they had this explanation ready at the time of the action. But I'll bite.In post 2474, Jaack wrote:Why would I, as scum
The reason you'd go for one of Tyler or me over xyzzy is because you have to think about the endgame and not just what's in front of you. Xyzzy was what was in front of you.
Anyway, you were an equally available lynch at the time. Had I voted for you, with TOF MIA, there likely would not have been enough support for an xyzzy lynch.
Every possible nk would 'point my way' because all the conftown had me as their most likely living candidate.In post 2476, toolenduso wrote: Dunn kill still points your way imo.-
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Zulfy Mafia Scum
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What even is this?!In post 2488, Zulfy wrote:
With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch
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In post 2477, Tyler the Creator wrote:sorry no motivation to play mafia the last couple daysIn post 2478, Tyler the Creator wrote:if it is just jaack i'll probably end up feeling pretty silly but im still leaning towards tool
ughh
Seriously?!In post 2479, Tyler the Creator wrote:not even sure why tyler being scum is part of the discussion
dude's town af-
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Lining up MLs (Tool and Jaack). The reasoning provided for lynching Jaack is kinda bad.In post 2415, Tyler the Creator wrote:i wanna lynch tool
but then jaacks last couple posts suck
don't wanna read into the kill too much, dunn wasn't ever getting lynched
In post 2479, Tyler the Creator wrote:not even sure why tyler being scum is part of the discussion
dude's town af"Look at me, I'm so obvtown!"- Indeeed, Tyler scum wouldn't want to be the highlight of the convo, so he tries to get us to kinda ignore him.
I'd at this point much rather ML you than ML tool.In post 2485, Tyler the Creator wrote:here's an idea - we lynch between tyler and tool today
that way we either probably win OR tyler doesn't need to most likely get mislynched by bins in lylo
vote:tool
After another glance at ISOs, I feel that scum!Tool would be much more deserving of a win than scum!Tyler.
Jaack is meh and I'm kinda divided there.
We all know Bins is not hammering Tool and at this point, nor am I, so someone is gonna have to give.-
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Tyler has been tunneling Xyzzy almost the entire game, yet when the Jaack wagon forms, he jumps ship for an L-1 vote (prob. hoping for a hammer.) When Xyzzy is finally lynched, Tyler is notably off the wagon despite being on Xyzzy D2 and all of D3 and some of D4.-
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For Tool, he in the matter of 4 VCs makes some switches D3.
First, he's on the Creature wagon then he switches to Xyzzy then he switches back to Creature in 3.09.
Unlike the rest of you, I can see a town reason for the 2nd switch since 3.10 was the hammer (meaning deadline was probably closing in), but I'd still like to know the reasons for this behavior.-
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I am really not sure what to make of this. I can see both sides of it, I guess. The town explanation relies on Tyler being very sure I'm scum, which is why it would be justified for him to try to "skip" a day phase by going to what he thinks is going to be LyLo. Scum explanation would simply be that he thinks he has a better chance in LyLo against Jaack than he would against me. Which is probably true.In post 2485, Tyler the Creator wrote:here's an idea - we lynch between tyler and tool today
that way we either probably win OR tyler doesn't need to most likely get mislynched by bins in lylo
The thing that keeps sticking for me is how Tyler became so sure that I'm scum. I don't see it.
No, I'm considering both sides as I make my decision -- why you would do X thing if you were scum or if you were town. Counterintuitive stuff like the line I was talking about were part of why I thought it was xyzzy and not you yesterday. But xyzzy has now been eliminated as a possibility, as have several other people I thought were scum instead of you, and so I know that I've been wrong about things. So I have to look at the reasons why I thought you and Tyler were both town and check them again. It's easier to find scum explanations for your actions than it is for Tyler's actions.In post 2487, Jaack wrote:It looks like you are trying to convince yourself that I am scum because you already know I'm not.
Yeah but the difference is that my lynch was far less certain. Xyzzy'd been pushed for virtually the entire game up until that point. If you had hopped on my wagon then (iirc) there still would have been a question mark as to who would hammer.In post 2487, Jaack wrote:Anyway, you were an equally available lynch at the time. Had I voted for you, with TOF MIA, there likely would not have been enough support for an xyzzy lynch.
I acknowledged that the three non-lynchable townies all suspected you. The reason I thought the Dunn kill pointed to you, specifically, was because you were the one arguing that TOF should be a lynch option in LyLo.In post 2487, Jaack wrote:Every possible nk would 'point my way' because all the conftown had me as their most likely living candidate.
My reasoning for switching from Creature to xyzzy is in #2146, and my reasoning for switching back to Creature is in #2220. To sum it up here:In post 2494, Ircher wrote:For Tool, he in the matter of 4 VCs makes some switches D3.
First, he's on the Creature wagon then he switches to Xyzzy then he switches back to Creature in 3.09.
Unlike the rest of you, I can see a town reason for the 2nd switch since 3.10 was the hammer (meaning deadline was probably closing in), but I'd still like to know the reasons for this behavior.
-Based on theories I had that largely came out of the Dunn-fakeclaiming-cop situation, I believed there was one scum between Jaack and Creature and one scum between xyzzy and Tyler. In other words, I didn't see a Jaack/Creature scumteam or a xyzzy/Tyler scumteam.
-Of those, Creature and Xyzzy were my top two picks. So I spent the day going back and forth between them.
-One reason for switching between the two of them had to do with which wagons looked like they actually had enough support to go through that day."Half of the game is figuring out who the scum is. The other half is convincing everyone else that you're right." -- PlaysWithSquirrels, in Newbie 437-
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I still think Jaack looks worse than Tyler. Ircher why do you want Tyler over Jaack today?"Half of the game is figuring out who the scum is. The other half is convincing everyone else that you're right." -- PlaysWithSquirrels, in Newbie 437-
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