Open 645: C9++ - Game Over

[LicketyQuickety]

@LQ,
Well he's not wrong. I mean consider the reason you're voting trans for a start..

The way I scum hunt is by looking for when people give the wrong answer. That is why I ask a lot of questions that don't look like they mean anything - because

I

am the one that is able to interpret the meaning behind the answer. And I do take into account the personality of the player heavily when I do so. I am actually NOT a bad Scum hunter. The reasons I give for my reads may not be that great, but that is because I am accounting for a lot of variables that are hard for me to quantify in my reasons for the read. So when I say I am Scum reading Transcend and give the reason that it is because they said I was a bad Scum hunter, that

is

the reason, but there is a lot of unseen variables that I am accounting for to give that reason. People do not understand my reasons for my reads because they don't know what information I am taking into account to give that reason. So when I give a read for bins being Scum because they haven't added any reasons for Scum reading me, I am taking into account that this player may not even be the type of player who gives reasons as often as other types of players, but also some other things like the strength at which they had that scum read on me without backing it up with anything. That said, when they finally gave their reason for why I was Scum based on that I use Moon logic as Scum, I know that is a lie because I DON'T do that as Scum. She got that idea from Ranger, who honestly doesn't know my play

that

well. The fact that bins thought they had a legitimate reason for Scum reading me based on what Ranger said was the icing on the cake for me.

[Smithereens]

"

The way I scum hunt is by looking for when people give the wrong answer

."

So I don't want to start anything that would go on for a few pages like what happened with trans, but in short I don't think this is what you have been intentionally doing. Your questions are really generic and don't seek to elicit responses that would allow you or anyone reading to find scum. I've been reading what people have been responding to you, and largely there isn't anything AI. In short, your scum hunting, if that's what you're trying to do, isn't going to get the results you're after.

Try smarter, not harder.

[LicketyQuickety]

"

The way I scum hunt is by looking for when people give the wrong answer

."

So I don't want to start anything that would go on for a few pages like what happened with trans, but in short I don't think this is what you have been intentionally doing. Your questions are really generic and don't seek to elicit responses that would allow you or anyone reading to find scum. I've been reading what people have been responding to you, and largely there isn't anything AI. In short, your scum hunting, if that's what you're trying to do, isn't going to get the results you're after.

Try smarter, not harder.

Thing is, all it takes is one wrong answer, and then I tunnel.

[Dunnstral]

Thing is, all it takes is one wrong answer, and then I tunnel on town

[Smithereens]

Thing is, all it takes is one wrong answer, and then I tunnel on town

lol +1

[LicketyQuickety]

Thing is, all it takes is one wrong answer, and then I tunnel on town

This is why when I host a game I don't allow quote manipulation.

[Smithereens]

You're missing the point..

[LicketyQuickety]

You're missing the point..

What? That I could be wrong? I am aware of that.

[davesaz]

Starting my rereads. Transcend isn't doing anything that I would consider to be information gathering. I get a weak scum read from the overall effect. It feels like wanting to look active but not really knowing how to begin.

[Ranger]

So I finally earned my title {Top Tier}!
It's a hard-coded title, too.
Anyone can earn it.
All they need is:

1. 25 games worth of perfect reads,
2. 20 times nightkilled by scum, including at least once AS scum (multiball),
3. And 25 town victories.

If you have fulfilled these conditions, you too will earn the title {Top Tier}! It's a level beyond Survivor.

;)

(Reading.)

[Dunnstral]

I'm interested in your opinion on LQ now

[Ranger]

If you have something that nails scum on Day 1, why hold it in?

Because I want people to guess.

At any time, I can explain why 372 (among others) was a scumclaim from LicketyQuickety.

But it means more if other people look at the post and try to figure out what in it was so egregious.

You'll understand better when you're older.

He's plenty old enough. That's the problem.

[Dunnstral]

I'm glad there is no comma in that title.

[Dunnstral]

Starting my rereads. Transcend isn't doing anything that I would consider to be information gathering. I get a weak scum read from the overall effect. It feels like wanting to look active but not really knowing how to begin.

Going to +1 this

VOTE: Transcend



Zach don't quote this post

[Ranger]

You guys have a lot of faith in Ranger's FBI profiling crystal 8-ball of reads

Not unjustified!

I'm reading these pages mostly as a formality in case there's something truly ~groundbreaking~ in the next 12 pages.

It is exactly that.

I don't see my reads changing, because--at least in this game--I feel really, really good about them.

I wouldn't consider it a scumslip

I would! Not exactly for that reason, but pretty close.
{Dunnstral, Zachstral, Smithereens, Transcend}
{Riddleton, davesaz, Bins}
{Kappy}
{Umlaut, a plain farmer}
{Loopdan}
{LicketyQuickety}
This is both Umlaut going down and a plain farmer going up.

[Ranger]

{Dunnstral, Zachstral, Smithereens, Transcend}
{Riddleton, davesaz, Bins}
{Umlaut, a plain farmer, iraonavp}
{texcat}
{LicketyQuickety}
That's iraonavp/Kappy going down.

[Ranger]

{Dunnstral, Zachstral, Smithereens, Transcend}
{Riddleton, davesaz, Bins}
{a plain farmer}
{texcat}
{Umlaut, iraonavp}
{LicketyQuickety}
This is mostly from iraonavp, with gut things like 488.

[Ranger]

Our newcomer is hilariously awkward and I'm not quite sure what to make of it

"Dude, irao! You're being ridiculously obvscum and dragging the whole team down with your reads! Stop!"

That's literally how I read this post.

Hmm... if only there was something a bunch of people with similar opinions could do. A wager, perhaps...? Or was there something else...?

^I'll take you up on this if it still stands, once I'm caught up.

[Ranger]

I still want to make a longer post on Dave but Ira is just painfully obvscum. I have to think about whether he and Dave make sense as a scum team though.

^Scum cutting their losses, btw.

VOTE: iraonavp.

[Smithereens]

Umlaut is scum with Ira?

[davesaz]

Reread of Dunnstral - chatterbox, weak town based mostly on a desire for lively conversation being more likely to be town motivation than scum. Not sure I understand the motivation behind mentioning he's likely to be NK. Would like to see more explanations and less vote salesmanship.

Pedit: Ranger, can you give some explanation of why Transcend is in your top read tier? He's solid bottom third for me and it's unusual that we'd disagree so strongly on someone with a level trajectory in the game.

I give less weight to 372 for two reasons. One, I've seen LQ take things really literally before and so this wouldn't be abnormal, and two there is a pretty good percentage of people for whom challenging it on the setup comes more automatically than other kinds of challenges. That doesn't mean I put no faith in the tell, I just don't see it as strong as you do.

[Ranger]

OK so I have mixed feelings about both Ira and LQ, not sure I'd want to lynch them

No, Dunnstral.
You were doing good.
Your work was good.
Your reads were right.
Your push was solid.

You're experiencing doubt.
Paranoia.
This is only natural.
It is, however, just that.

Come back. ;_;

Actually Farmer isn't a bad vote right now

I get why you think that.
I thought so too.

But I don't think so anymore.

[Dunnstral]

I wouldn't mind voting ira to be honest, I'll give my reads to compare because there are quite a few differences in how I'm seeing things

[Dunnstral]

[Bins]
[Ranger, Smithereens]
[davesaz, LicketyQuick]
[Umlaut, texcat, a plain farmer]
[transcend, iraonavp]

With texcat being pretty null for me

Notably I have transcend in my bottom tier

VOTE: iraonavp



Zach don't quote this post

[Ranger]

Oh the whole LQ thing... people think he's scum for his reads

Never said this.

I'd have to double-check to be sure, but I'm fairly certain his reads don't factor in at all. IF they did, it'd be only slightly. It's definitely ~other stuff~.