Korlash wrote:
Your first vote was placed on me after you claimed "I was undecided on how I feel about orig" Because of that I assume you placed the vote because that piece of evidence threw me into vote range. So I will disprove that bit and assume it should throw me back into "Not so much vote range"
Korlash wrote:
That being said I think he is either the Vig or mafia and I won't say which i think is more likely.
You kinda skipped the fact I hinted here that I felt one of them more likely to be then the other. Care to take a guess on which side I was leaning? No? i felt not. Wouldn't want you to see how dumb you are. Moving on...
Korlash, I was already entirely aware of that ambiguous little sentence (why were you cryptic anyway?). The fact I was aware of it is pretty damn clear from this:
Korlash wrote:However, Korlash himself contradicts this because he himself is unconvinced as to whether Orig is vig or mafia.
To spell this out for you:
Your plan fails miserably if Orig is mafia; in fact, it is downright destructive.
Assuming you are town and that orig is either mafia or vig, for the sake of following your ridiculous logic:
Lynch townKorlash= 5:3 or 4:3:1
In 5:3, (Orig = Vig)
MafNK town = 4:3
Orig's vig NK = 3:3 or 4:2 (if no NK = 4:3)
In 4:3:1, (Orig= Mafia, ? = SK)
MafNK town = 3:3:1 P =4/5
SK NK Orig = 3:2 This one is basically certain since the SK needs to get rid of Orig
In other words, Korlash, you could hardly be sincere in your pledge that you are willing to die to give the town a "good chance of winning" when the best outcome which will likely result is LYLO and the worst is a mafia win.
You are grounding this in the ridiculous assumption that shaft.ed, dybeck and myself are 100% all 3 obvious scum. As I have already said, this is already immediately waived by the fact that you have yourself admitted that you are not 100% certain about Orig being vig. You initially were cryptic, then you said you think Orig is more likely. For your plan to even superficially make sense, you would need absolute certainty on Orig also. I got angry at dybeck for just being certain about Orig, but you are doing this threefold (fourfold if you again modify your view of Orig).
Now,
Korlash's Big List of False Claims
Korlash himself contradicts this because he himself is unconvinced as to whether Orig is vig or mafia.
See above. This is not false.
shaft.ed wrote:
So, since you state originality is mafia if scum, please explain how lynching originality is an efficient use of the town's lynch today.
Shaft.ed is absolutely correct here. If Orig is mafia, then it is stupid of us to lynch him because his NK by the SK is all but guaranteed.
Vollkan wrote:
Your avatar says "100% vanilla". 'Nuff said.
I'm pretty sure that I am literate.
shaft.ed wrote:
But Korlash's subsequent comments have made it clear that he was trying to claim vanilla:
Rather than refute this myself, I will just quote you:
Korlash wrote:
So in general, I hinted at vanilla
shaft.ed wrote:
So you're in a position where you suspect Oman may have claimed something that is not your role. Is it me or does the most logical conclusion stemming from this statement seem to be that you are mafia?
Reasonable given what you had said.
Vollkan wrote:
Why on earth did you just claim vanilla?!
You claimed. This is not a lie/misrep/whatever.
Vollkan wrote:
Korlash, it is not role-fishing for me to tell you not to claim vanilla. Any player with a grain of sense would do exactly the same thing.
Korlash, DON'T CLAIM DOC! Was that role-fishing? No.
Telling somebody not to claim is not role-fishing. It's idiotic that you would suggest it is. The only difference between the example I just gave and the present case is that you actually claimed vanilla.
Vollkan wrote:
You claimed vanilla. I don't care if it is genuine or not and I have no intention of pursuing any further, but you should know that claiming vanilla when you are not under pressure of lynch is incredibly anti-town.
This feels like I am banging my head against a wall...or desk.
Vollkan wrote:
And if you don't have a role it means that the scum are more likely to hit a power role.
If scum don't target a vanilla they are more likely to hit a power role...seems perfectly sensible to me.
Vollkan wrote:
a) If you are vanilla, it means that the scum know that you are safe not to NK and have a higher likelihood of hitting a power role.
b) If you are a power role, it draws attention onto yourself which can result in suspicion which can result in forced claim, which just flags you to the scum.
As with the above, this is a FACT. I don't see how you can construe it as a "false claim".
Orig wrote:
Why bring it up at all? You were in absolutely zero pressure.
Not false. You were under no pressure.
Vollkan wrote:
No. I knew precisely what you meant. My point is that it is no defence/explanation/excuse/justification/whatever word you want to use to simply claim vanilla and then suggest we all move on.
Claiming vanilla is no defence/excuse/etc. Again, this is not a false claim.
Vollkan wrote:
It is inherently anti-town when done prematurely (as yours was).
BZZT. FACT. NEXT
Vollkan wrote:
Claiming a power role would be idiotic, but it would not be incriminating. I would be pissed as all hell if you did that, because that can only help the scum, but it would not incriminate you.
Oh boy. Here, you are either saying that it is false that prematurely claiming a power role is idiotic, which is an idiotic thing in itself, or you are asserting that I am making a false claim that I myself would be "pissed as all hell"
Vollkan wrote:
The fact remains that you had no reason to claim vanilla.
We've been over this already. Stop being obtuse.
Vollkan wrote:
Surely you realise that your priority should be helping the town, not ensuring your own survival.
*trips* If THIS is a false claim...then you should be lynched right here and now.
b) It is bad for town if you are telling the truth about being vanilla because:
I) Scum will NK elsewhere and will likely hit a powerrole
II) You may have now drawn suspicion onto yourself and not onto scum
FACT.
Vollkan wrote:
2) I would prefer to keep a RB/Vig over a modest vanilla you any day.
This is about my own personal preference (which makes sense). How the hell do you warrant calling this false??!?
Korlash wrote:
Those are my biggest issue ATM... Each one has a small part, or a large part, or the whole thing that I disagree with. Please do not point out which of these is obviously not false, or try and put words into my mouth here. If you want to know why i disagree with a specific one ask, and then I will explain. Then, you will be able to point out where I may be mistaken, and where My argument may have a flaw in it.
I don't need to point out a few of them. They are all complete rot.
Korlash wrote:
I am town, It means nothing to you, it proves nothing, but to me it means I am 100% sure I am town. So, when I "hint," or even 'semi-claim" if you want, at any role (Mafia, vanilla, power role) the mafia can in no way know what I am talking about. So, when a person or persons push me up against the wall saying my claim hurt the town, it made me feel like those people were trying to either get me to admit I had a role, or to further admit I was vanilla. If the mafia knew either of these then of course your arguments made sense. If they were sure I was vanilla they would know who to hit for a cop/doc likeliness. So I found it scummy you guys kept pushing my "claim" no matter how many times I tried to defend myself/ say I did not claim. Thus I called it role fishing earlier and just recently said you were trying to weed me out. Whether or not this was your intention you cannot deny that the more we talked about it the more likelihood that I actually claimed and thus gave the mafia info. As of right now I am still pretty much an unknown and thus still a gamble for a NK. Could be good, could be bad. keep pushing and I know it will be bad.
Korlash, you claimed vanilla. Nobody has been rolefishing, because you claimed.
My intention was to reprimand you for doing something inherently anti-town. Then you struck out without your vapid theorising and have now peaked my scumdar.
Korlash wrote:
I feel I have been scum hunting the whole time. And I also think I may have found three scum. So, while you seem to want to make it very clear I am the one keeping us from scum hunting, You yourself could very much go on and question others and me at the same time. I mean I cannot be held responsible the others are not posting. I find it odd Originality and Elias and AllyG and Lucienne and Gemelli are not actively participating in this. So it is not totally my fault no "scum hunting" is being done aside from what I am doing.
Perhaps if you focused more on them and the same on me (or even less... But you don't have too) some additional hunting would get done.
Huh?!?! I thought shaft.ed/dybeck/myself were the 3 obvious 100% scum. As such, why should you even care what we do?
That last sentence...it's just brilliant.
I think we've hooked one.
