Micro 620: Anything uPick (Game Over)

[Creature]

I am better at town hunting, so I attack who I am not seeing as town.

[Something_Smart]

Phone VC
Yume (1)- KuroiXHF
KuroiXHF (1)- Yume
Florestan (1)- Creature
Creature (1)- Frozen Angel

Not voting (3)- Ranger, Apricity, Florestan

[KuroiXHF]

Out of the people currently voted, I'd vote Creature or Yume. I am curious about Florestan, though.

[Apricity]

Oh, I was under the impression that there were at least some votes on Creature lol.

[KuroiXHF]

I had my vote on him until I switched to Yume.

[Florestan]

Skipping FA by popular request.

Kuroi

VOTE: Apricity

Can you guess who I am?

That question does have a town-vibe to it.

I meant flavor. Anyway, I am not, but feel free to think so. Hmph.

This one - not so much.

Also, that question was not for you. It was for Frozen Angel.

Okay, so FA, you probably know something I don't. If she is obvtown, it's probably only to you.

okay, what was the purpose of this, its RVS you don't have a read on anyone it looks like. You don't ask FA to clarify why Yume was obvtown. Its just kinda fluff.

Because you don't know what to make of his flavor role, but that tends to be much less scum-based. I say we push someone else.

I mean I don't understand why pushing me was wrong there, you just kinda start chainsawing for me for no reason.

Apricity is at L-1.

This is my intent that I may very well hammer.

If you had done this you would easily be dead here, but even though you didn't what was the purpose of this? Was Apricity really that scummy that you didn't want the rest of the day to sort anyone else?

Strong Town:
Lean Town: Florestan, Yume, Apricity, Shadow Step (Stronger Town >>>>> Weaker Town gradient.)
Null/Unsorted/No Opinion At This Time: Ranger, Creature, Frozen Angel
Lean Scum: House
Strong Scum:

I don't like this read list because I have way too many lean towns and null/unsorteds and not enough lean scum.

It should be more diversified later.

You have no valid scumreads. None of these reads were backed up by your earlier play at all except for mine but you still have never explained why you townread me at all, it feels like you just chose me (and kinda shadow) to pocket even when it made no sense to do so.

Because I'm more suspicious in a game where I'm supposed to be suspicious. The way it usually works for me is that if there are two scum, I tend to suspect three to four people.

If there are two scum, like in most micro games, I only suspect one. Which means someone I'm null reading or town reading is scum.

That is not good. But like I said, the more I interact, the more I make up my mind.

What? Wouldn't you read people based on how they were playing, not this convoluted mess of how many you should suspect in a game of a certain size etc...

Why did Florestan go Bill Cosby up until this page and then did nothing after?

Explained this one. I thought I was your top town was 'bill cosbying' really that instrumental to your townread on me

I'm asking for your involvement so I can ask questions about them and read you guys.

Its not working vise versa for me.

and I kind of asked you guys to involve more? what should I do to make you get involved? dance?

"Hey gaiz plz post" = lazy busywork

We're on d1, surely you don't know exactly why everybody said everything they did, already? Why not ask for clarification on ambiguous posts, if you want more involvement? Why not ask for reasons on reads even if you think you already know the answer? The answer given might surprise you and give you something work with.

I agree with House here.

my push on Apricity was becuase of the whole post restriction conversation thing and I will do the same if you put me in the same situation. I don't consider activity AI - ever - and I completly suck in reading lurkers. if you can read them then good for you.

Wait. I thought you

didn't

push Apricity.

VOTE: Yume

I want this resolved.

Okay, so you don't think Frozen Angel is scum?

VOTE: Frozen Angel

I'm good with going back to this.

Oh. Guess not.

I still think Yume is obviously town

I'm beginning to think you town read Yume for flavor reasons.

You know what? You wanted me to shoot you so I will, rather than have you spout a rubbish about how I am scum while ignoring points that don't support that theory.

Shoot: House

This is the worst reaction test I've ever seen.

Squirm more, scum. You failed to pass my test.

...yep. Part of me thinks you're bad town.

Yume's role is tailor made for Traitor, who is part of group scum but not in the scum PT. The Traitor has to help scum mislynch town and drive wagons away from buddies,

which is hard to do when they don't know who their buddies are

.

So the Traitor has to hunt scum, but for scummy reasons.

Neighborizing scum allows the Traitor to communicate with their scum team and gives 2 members of scum day talk.

After the Traitor neighborizes their scum mate, they can use their second ability to kill a town PR by drawing night actions, furthering the scum win con.

Yume admitted to being a loner. Know who else is a loner? The Traitor.

If I remember right, this game isn't bastard. Which means that, according to the wiki, a traitor should know the identities of all the scum. That aside, I still don't like your push on Yume simply for flavor/role reasons. Even if she is the traitor, town can win without lynching the traitor as long as they catch all the groupscum. Why are you focusing so much on her when she's basically harmless as long as no one visits her?

The hell? Why are we bringing traitor into this? And who has ever heard of a traitor vig?

If she's town and we lynch her, we've lost a townie. If you're right that she's scum traitor and we lynch her, we're still no closer to our wincon which would be eliminating the groupscum. No one visiting her = no one dying because of her. You're focusing on a lesser priority right now, and the potential harm outweighs the benefits here.

Do you have other scumreads?

It's over explaining like this which makes me consider you scum all over again.

FYI: I went back a couple pages trying to see where I need to start catching up and also what the last vote count was and I noticed a couple things:

1. House kept going around and voting everyone. He holds onto the vote like he's playing hot potato. It's a bit unsettling, but I'll read it and see if it makes sense.
2. I don't think we have an updated vote count. Mod, please?

It's my process, get used to it.

By the way, you should vote Yume.

Because you want her dead, right?

I like my vote where it is.

None these are reads or probbing questions or analysis, just kind of stuff that you felt. You aren't building a town circle or pushing anybody, just kinda of commentating on stuff while the game moves closer to a random lynch.

Frozen Angel, please hammer on House. He obviously doesn't want to be here.

Ugh you keep on pushing for early lynches on people who are either confirmed town or who I think are town now, it feels really icky to me.

I'm going to congratulate Yume for actually sticking with her vote, even if she is wrong.

I'm going to go back, re-read and find some more scum. I don't remember if I liked Creature in Day one,

but I don't like him now

.

Again the italicized stuff is the only actual content in this whole thing. Is Yume town because they held their vote, why is she wrong? Just you say stuff and move on right before someone would talk about something relevant and alignment indicative.

Sorry, I had to laugh at the absolutely identical sentence structure.

Do you see this as alignment indicative in any way?

Like this? It was a light comment and you are just kind of going through the motions even though it doesn't make any sense in this context.

Don't think about anything personal at all this game. You have a job to do, and you should do it.

Anyways, I can buy a scum neighborizer, especially when they claim vigilante.

VOTE: Yume

Weren't you calling Yume town up until this point? Why would scumYume submit a night action that directly contradicted their claim in that case. This just feels like another lazy going through the motions instead of actually sitting down and analyzing the game.

oh fuck I see why you guys are confused. you just can't see all the info I have atm and I can't tell them in a way for you to understand without giving solid info to scum.

I was in a neighbourhood with player X during last night , player X shot shadow

I have a neighbourhood with Yume starting of Day 2 and she is the one who targeted me and opened that pt. she claimed she claimed the way she did in day 1 becuase she wanted to survive to make this neighbourhood with me becuase "she misses me" and I'm sure she won't lie about this personal feelings to me becuase I do miss her as well and we are freinds andI like her way more than I like anyone of you in this game [no offense just the truth]

but clearly this X and Yume are in counter positions and Yume crumbed that she will kill her freind and the neighbourhood we have together is named "friends pt"

I needed to out thi becuase her role might function in a way to auto kill the one she neighbours with a delay like a poisoner and thats why there was no mafia nightkill last night.

oh and player X is 90% conftown and 10% obvtown so I don't wanna out him for no reason

Okay, I do have some questions:

1. I'm guessing Yume isn't Player X?

SS this is a different color ftr, look at the tag. Yes obviously they aren't the same person

2. Are you still with Player X?
3. So if we don't lynch either of you two, one of you will die?

Again FA literally said this, except the it isn't 'one of them' its FA.

3a. If so, why should we lynch you instead of her?

Why would we ever lynch FA here? This is what I mean by lazy posting, you don't really read what is written or think about how they work.

4. Ah, so Player X is a he. Okay, that makes things a bit easier.

that was a question? Why are you trying to get FA to reveal stuff about player X anyways, like even if you noticed this why would you post it ever as town??!

[Frozen Angel]

I realised it quite of fit her scum play.

really?

You found a clue about my scum meta?

share with the class , becuase so many poeple are trying to find one.

your better at finding town means your scum becuase scums are very good at finding town.

your whole backtracks are just so fucking scummy in an obvious way that I won't stop voting you.

There is a good chance for yume telling the truth about killing stuff and neighbourhood , she is playing like her obvious town and if she is faking this play as scum , she really really deserve to win , becuase this is huge progression from her scum meta.

More votes on creature lets push this forward.

[Frozen Angel]

where is Ranger and the stuff she wanted to share

[Frozen Angel]

I don't like Flor long posts eaither. feels ... fake (?)

will get back to them later

[Apricity]

VOTE: Creature

I'd like to do this or Ranger.

[Apricity]

I am better at town hunting, so I attack who I am not seeing as town.

This also doesn't answer my questions (last post of previous page).

[Ranger]

What? I'm confused.

Okay, the mod clarified.

I already half-claimed: Something_Smart, conditional hated. With my hated being active yesterday but not active today thanks to its conditions.

To full-claim, the other half of my role?

I'm an X-shot bulletproof. The mod informed me that I would not be told of a vest being used, ergo, I would not know I was shot.

So, in all likelihood, the reason we only have the vig kill last night is because I was targeted for the scum's nightkill.

[Frozen Angel]

I kind of beleive your claim. can you be more useful though?

[Ranger]

can you be more useful though?

Unfortunately, that's where I'm running into issues.

Who in this game

wouldn't

shoot me as scum?

You would. Creature in its limited experience would. Apricity probably would. Florestan probably would. Yume would. Kuroi

might

, though I wouldn't be so sure.

I know scum shot at me, but I can't really tell who the scum shooting at me were. And not helping matters?

{Shadow_step}
{Creature}
{House}
{Kuroi}
{Frozen Angel, Yume, Apricity, Florestan}

Four of you were in my bottom tier before, and nothing any of you have done since then has given me a stronger feeling on your slots. At all.

I'm still trying to work anything out.

[Frozen Angel]

I can consider you being shot is the case here , not sure if thats the case though.

why four of us are in the bottom tire? why creature is that top? its not being useful that your calling creature town and the rest scummy. you know that?

[Ranger]

That was my last readslist on D1.
AKA, the reads I had to be shot for if I was shot for my reads at all.
They're not so much current reads, as they are a starting point for figuring the game out.

[Frozen Angel]

what info is that telling you?

[Apricity]

Didn't Kuroi also basically claim BP? He said there wouldn't be a point in trying to kill him or something.

[KuroiXHF]

I am unkillable

[Apricity]

Ftr if I were scum I would not have shot you, Ranger. I'll say why at endgame if anyone still cares by then--don't want to give scum any ideas rn.

[Frozen Angel]

I know about other two protection methods in town hands.

this is going to be fun

[Frozen Angel]

Player X knows what I'm talking about

[Something_Smart]

Hey everybody. I'm going to be V/LA, though not completely without access, until Monday. Lilith2013 will be taking over the game during that time, any communications should be sent to both of us. I should still be able to do flips or the like.

[KuroiXHF]

Lilith, so you're the new mod, huh? Impress me.

[Creature]

Should I partially claim?