New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[GuyInFreezer]

omg a pagetop

vc 1.06

Wake88 (1):

AGar, Zachstralkita

Zachstralkita (3):

shannon, Nosferatu, Titus

Sickofit1138 (5):

PeregrineV, Boem_u_dusi, Mirhawk, podoboq, Dunnstral

Mirhawk (1):

Sickofit1138

Boem_u_dusi (2):

Transcend, implosion

Dunnstral (1):

Almost50

podoboq (1):

Performer

Not Voting:

Airick10, Wake88, Varsoon, Lapsa

With

19

votes,

10

to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-07-05 23:38:55)

Airick10 is

V/LA

until

6/27

.

[implosion]

Mirhawk actually could be scum. On second read i don't like 62 and 88. 62 is sort of busywork, commenting on something happening in the game without giving any relevant information (i.e. reads). 88 continues this by failing to clarify Mirhawk's stance on Performer's NL vote. Mirhawk mentions that they didn't call it town or scum, but does not clarify explicitly what they thought it was or why they found it noteworthy to mention that a lack of a vote would accomplish the same thing as a NL vote. The vote on sick feels like one of the weaker votes on the wagon.

[Zachstralkita]

We might as well mark Dunn town now, there's been a thing or two that he's said that convinces me of it. That vote on him
earlier was for a rxn, but he didn't give me one.

[implosion]

Nos is

probably

town if I had to hazard a guess. The focus on vibes from me seems like an odd thing to be the only thing he's mentioned as scum.

Idk about performer yet.

[implosion]

Er wait there is still the nl vote thing from performer that I found townish. Well w/e I think I made my stance on him fairly clear in the post on him and nos.

[Performer]

@podo Hmm.

We might as well mark Dunn town now, there's been a thing or two that he's said that convinces me of it. That vote on him
earlier was for a rxn, but he didn't give me one.

I need to review Dunn & Almost's chatting. In my skim , it looked like TvT but I'll need to take a closer look .

[Zachstralkita]

Other than "vote is still on wake it's where I want it" and a post with naked vote on Wake, I don't see a case from you on Wake?

My vote is now on shannon who I'm quite sure is scum, but my case on Wake is as follows:

He's basically talking noise. That colored reads list was great. I'm not buying fucking cupcakes though.

#147 is a long(er) post, but all that could have been said in about two or three sentences. I don't like that. I don't like it when it looks like you're saying a lot when you're not actually saying anything.


The crux of the matter anyway, if I'm not mistaken, was that Titus was talking to someone and wanted THAT PERSON to answer her questions rather than Wake doing it. Wake however, jumped on it.

Why are you interrupting me Wake?

Almost, do you have any reads now?

This isn't a 19-man face-to-face conversation. It's a message-board thread.

Please don't avoid my questions Titus. It's making me feel uncomfortable about your alignment.

1)

You said that someone voting you means that person is scumreading you.

2)

I say that's not necessarily true, because it isn't.

3)

Instead of responding to my point you ask me why I'm interrupting you.

4)

Me: Like why are you not being logically and why are you avoiding the point. Please respond to my points Titus.

Yeah, a vote at this point is a scumread from someone actively following along, or it's someone who has no desire to sort the thread, which is a scumclaim. Your vote says "I want this person removed from the game".

You're being semantic and interrupting my questioning trying to sort Almost and trying to play semantic games while interpreting someone else's read rather than letting them speak for themselves.

See I don't really agree with that, and I say that with all the respect in the world. I've seen players vote other people they didn't necessarily Sumread just to see what their reaction would be. Heck, I've done that in the past. So knowing that when you say voting someone means you Scumread the person I have to say 'wait, that's not true, and here's why.'

I feel like you're inappropriately attaching meanings to actions and, well, if you're Town Town wouldn't do that. It's not true that a vote on someone at this point is a Scumread from someone actively following along. It's not automatically true. But you also change the meaning mid-sentence by saying OR the vote's from someone who has no desire to sort the thread. Which is it, and why must it be either? And then you attach a further meaning onto the second option by saying it must be a Scumclaim. I'm sorry but you're not being logically accurate, and at this point I'm trying to understand if it's just honest mistakes or something more deliberate. Whatever the case this needs to be sorted out immediately.

It also looks like you're attaching yet another meaning to that vote, that the voter wants someone removed from the game. You can't assume that. Not if you're honest. The person casting the vote could also be looking for reactions.

What you mistake for semantics is me trying to pin down exactly what you're trying to say (and what you mean), and wanting you to slow down and clarify your ungrounded assumptions. I have the right to question you whenever I want so long as the Day is open, and so does everyone else to anyone else. I have zero reason to wait until you and he are done exchanging, because you can easily see my post in the feed and respond back eventually. It's not even something to argue about, and instead tells me it's a distraction to try and get me off you with my questions.

Will you please acknowledge that someone voting you

does not

necessarily mean they're Scumreading you?

I'm sure Titus is experienced so she would.. be aware of this at the very least. Why is it worth a 3-4 paragraph post? I know how smart you are, Wake. You don't have to rub it in.

This is basically what I said about Wake, tldr his posting is a lot of static to me


There is scum most certainly on my/Sickofit's wagon.

[implosion]

Townreads at this point are:

{Lapsa, podoboq, zach, sickofit, almost50, shannon, transcend, titus, dunnstral, performer, nosferatu}

Very vaguely in order of most to least confident.

This leaves a pool of (in no particular order) {wake, agar, mirhawk, boem, peregrine, airick, varsoon}.

[Zachstralkita]

@podo Hmm.

We might as well mark Dunn town now, there's been a thing or two that he's said that convinces me of it. That vote on him
earlier was for a rxn, but he didn't give me one.

I need to review Dunn & Almost's chatting. In my skim , it looked like TvT but I'll need to take a closer look .

Why's your vote still on me homie

[podoboq]

Townreads at this point are:

{Lapsa, podoboq, zach, sickofit, almost50, shannon, transcend, titus, dunnstral, performer, nosferatu}

Very vaguely in order of most to least confident.

This leaves a pool of (in no particular order) {wake, agar, mirhawk, boem, peregrine, airick, varsoon}.

Could you justify why Lapsa is such a high townread? I just don't see having him far above null with how generally useless his posts have been.

[Boem_u_dusi]

Podo seems like a well-meaning newbie town here.

Boehm what's your definition of newbie town? Because based on his 3 completed, I wouldn't say he's a newbie.
What're your thoughts on your 2-man wagon?

I haven't played with him before so maybe I'm wrong but he sounds naive sometimes.

My 2-man wagon? I can't see where Transcend's thing for me comes from and I find it weird that Implosion is townreading all my suspects

[Transcend]

holy smokes.... our reads are so ridiculously similar this game implosion it's not even funny lmfao

[implosion]

Townreads at this point are:

{Lapsa, podoboq, zach, sickofit, almost50, shannon, transcend, titus, dunnstral, performer, nosferatu}

Very vaguely in order of most to least confident.

This leaves a pool of (in no particular order) {wake, agar, mirhawk, boem, peregrine, airick, varsoon}.

Could you justify why Lapsa is such a high townread? I just don't see having him far above null with how generally useless his posts have been.

I rather doubt scum would have randomly claimed macho.

[podoboq]

I rather doubt scum would have randomly claimed macho.

I suppose that's fair. I've been looking at it as kind of null because I doubt town would have randomly claimed macho either. Altogether, I think it's just a stupid play, and stupid can be of any alignment.

[Lapsa]

@podoboq would prefer not discussing my claim much further. ty

[Lapsa]

Mirhawk - only content is against Performer, like that he's sticking with a wagon in the face of others objections, independent thinking looks town to me

doesn't resonate with me at all.
unsure if that's enough for a scumread though

[Lapsa]

titanic

mirhawk seems scum

How did you arrive at this?

i'm not a fan of him focusing that much on the no-lynch issue.
ISO lacks content. although vote on sick is something i can relate to.
fencesits quite a bit

i don't think he's scummiest out there but he's definitely someone i'm unable to townread at the moment

@podobokowhatever suck on that

[Lapsa]

Liking Zach more though I still don't understand his obsession with shannon.

likewise

[podoboq]

@podoboq would prefer not discussing my claim much further. ty

"I claimed for no reason, but don't want to talk about it any more."

[Lapsa]

Nos is

probably

town if I had to hazard a guess. The focus on vibes from me seems like an odd thing to be the only thing he's mentioned as scum.

Idk about performer yet.

i actually got problems with Nos.
although i haven't been thorough on that read

and i townread perf atm

[Lapsa]

Townreads at this point are:

{Lapsa, podoboq, zach, sickofit, almost50, shannon, transcend, titus, dunnstral, performer, nosferatu}

Very vaguely in order of most to least confident.

This leaves a pool of (in no particular order) {wake, agar, mirhawk, boem, peregrine, airick, varsoon}.

i got some issues with a50, sickofit, nosferatu, titus. on lesser degree - shannon and transcend

out of your 'other' pool - i find wake and boem kind a town

[Lapsa]

@podoboq would prefer not discussing my claim much further. ty

"I claimed for no reason, but don't want to talk about it any more."

sure. what's in it for you?

[podoboq]

@podoboq would prefer not discussing my claim much further. ty

"I claimed for no reason, but don't want to talk about it any more."

sure. what's in it for you?

I'm not asking you to talk about your claim any more. I'm just pointing out that it seems pointless,. Nobody can take it as a serious claim, so it's basically just null, but it's a huge thing to just be null in the thread. I'm sorry for wondering aloud as to why you claimed macho. If it's going to be anti-town to discuss it any more (for reasons), then I'll drop it.

[Almost50]

I got Macho role modifier

Bad town play ^^

[podoboq]

@lapsa It would help, though, if I were townreading you for your other posts, but I'm not, which makes the claim extra weird to me.