New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[Lapsa]

and i think i'm townreading you, Varsoon

Dunnstral tunnel is bit troubling,
but that shouldn't be a problem if you continue posting

[implosion]

I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING.
WHAT'S UP MY N-WORDS?
DON'T WORRY, I'M TOWN
I'VE GOT YOUR BACK.

I've got your 'back' is the clue to look at things from back to front.
What's up my N-words is actually referencing Mason, because if read from back to front, it's Nosam.
Furthermore, in my last game as a Mason (Cohen Brothers Mafia), I was not town despite being in a Masonry.
That's why I said "Don't worry, I'm town" here.

Why would I make such a post without reading anything?
What point does it serve?
Purely role-crumbing.

This post is nominally even worth acknowledging.

[Zachstralkita]

@Performer: PRs are important, but the site-meta trends to favoring mechanics far heavier than rhetoric, so much so that the rhetoric of the game often becomes superseded by the mechanics. Claiming masons only renders any sort of leverage to the slots because people think the mechanical advantage of (possible) masons is stronger than any rhetoric that could be thrown down. Even if they are lying about being masons, the fear that we'd lose such a mechanical advantage keeps players from voting there, even when the claimed masons are bringing garbage to the table, rhetorically.

-The odds of it being a scum gambit are so horrifically low. The risk/reward of claiming masons on d1 as scum is absolutely terrible.
.

Scum Dunnstral and Titus (Ditus if you will, the other one sounds kinda wrong)'s reward has far exceeded the risk if they gain your trust Day 1. Which they have.

Except, the chances of you being scum with them is moderate.

[implosion]

@Performer: PRs are important, but the site-meta trends to favoring mechanics far heavier than rhetoric, so much so that the rhetoric of the game often becomes superseded by the mechanics. Claiming masons only renders any sort of leverage to the slots because people think the mechanical advantage of (possible) masons is stronger than any rhetoric that could be thrown down. Even if they are lying about being masons, the fear that we'd lose such a mechanical advantage keeps players from voting there, even when the claimed masons are bringing garbage to the table, rhetorically.

-The odds of it being a scum gambit are so horrifically low. The risk/reward of claiming masons on d1 as scum is absolutely terrible.
.

Scum Dunnstral and Titus (Ditus if you will, the other one sounds kinda wrong)'s reward has far exceeded the risk if they gain your trust Day 1. Which they have.

Except, the chances of you being scum with them is moderate.

100% false
they will lose my trust iteratively as days go on
and then

scum are down two players with almost nothing to gain

[implosion]

scum don't really give a shit if they're lynched d1 or d4
if they're lynched, they're lynched
there are advantages to being lynched later if they're power roles but those advantages are very nominal relative to just surviving

[Zachstralkita]

@Performer: PRs are important, but the site-meta trends to favoring mechanics far heavier than rhetoric, so much so that the rhetoric of the game often becomes superseded by the mechanics. Claiming masons only renders any sort of leverage to the slots because people think the mechanical advantage of (possible) masons is stronger than any rhetoric that could be thrown down. Even if they are lying about being masons, the fear that we'd lose such a mechanical advantage keeps players from voting there, even when the claimed masons are bringing garbage to the table, rhetorically.

-The odds of it being a scum gambit are so horrifically low. The risk/reward of claiming masons on d1 as scum is absolutely terrible.
.

Scum Dunnstral and Titus (Ditus if you will, the other one sounds kinda wrong)'s reward has far exceeded the risk if they gain your trust Day 1. Which they have.

Except, the chances of you being scum with them is moderate.

100% false
they will lose my trust iteratively as days go on
and then

scum are down two players with almost nothing to gain

First of all, get that 100% out of here you can't fabricate statistics like that.

2) " as days go on " this implies you will be alive as the days go on, which a townie certainly cannot know because we don't know who's going to try to kill us and when, and then we're dead. Thanks for scumclaiming though.

3) nothing to gain is false, I'm sure Ditus could have accomplished a lot if myself and Varsoon hadn't let this little farce go on.

[implosion]

i honestly have no idea how this is happening
like i really don't want to agree with titus when she insults the collective intelligence level of the town.
but SO MUCH FUCKING RHETORIC against CLAIMED MASONS on day one.
god dammit.
I don't even care if they are scum. there's no reason at all to try to lynch them today.

[Zachstralkita]

I don't even care if they are scum. there's no reason at all to try to lynch them today.

Oh man, oh man... you actually did it. You actually said those words in that sequential order. RIP

[implosion]

2) " as days go on " this implies you will be alive as the days go on, which a townie certainly cannot know because we don't know who's going to try to kill us and when, and then we're dead. Thanks for scumclaiming though.

JFC.
i'm not saying just how i am playing
i'm saying how town should play here.

3) nothing to gain is false, I'm sure Ditus could have accomplished a lot if myself and Varsoon hadn't let this little farce go on.

I'm sorry but there's no way that i'm believing that you're actually claiming masons after 1344.

[implosion]

I don't even care if they are scum. there's no reason at all to try to lynch them today.

Oh man, oh man... you actually did it. You actually said those words in that sequential order. RIP

key word
today

[Lapsa]

Dunnstral tunnel is bit troubling,
but that shouldn't be a problem if you continue posting

cc explains that. hmm...

[implosion]

if you read literally any of what i say in an unbiased way (i.e.,

actually try to understand the points that i am making rather than trying to attribute scum motivation to them before understanding them

) then that will make sense

[Dunnstral]

Also, I'm bother by how Varsoon all game has pretty much tunneled Dunnstral and interacted with only Titus... and then Zach and Transcend to minimal extent. Am I the only one to notice these things? We're going on 1300 posts and Varsoon has only spoken with FOUR out of FOURTEEN other players. Someone tell me that's a valid concern.

I noticed

[Zachstralkita]

And given the large setup which means more scum and the fact that you guys are voting people like Wake and Sickofit(originally me) means that even if they do lose two, the rest of the scum have it quite cozy and I imagine they believe you will never find them.

implosion, what you believe and don't is irrelevant to me. I've already factored this into the equation.

I don't even care if they are scum. there's no reason at all to try to lynch them today.

Oh man, oh man... you actually did it. You actually said those words in that sequential order. RIP

key word
today

this is still a blatant anti-town post, if you have scum on day 1 page 1 post 2 you nail those fuckers to the wall. you do not let them thrive.

[implosion]

And even if you are actually claiming to also be masons I still don't see that as a reason to lynch them; multiple masonries is not impossible, and all the more information we'll get from each night phase.

[implosion]

this is still a blatant anti-town post, if you have scum on day 1 page 1 post 2 you nail those fuckers to the wall. you do not let them thrive.

it has been a really fucking long time since i ahve raged in a mafia game but you are seriously bringing me close

[Performer]

...going to read Varsoon's wall.

Oh, please, if that's a wall, then I've built some truly monumental towers in my day.

I appreciate the explanation in your 1334 , it sounds like we have widely contrasting approaches to PRs.

pedit: oh great....counterclaims....

[Zachstralkita]

this is still a blatant anti-town post, if you have scum on day 1 page 1 post 2 you nail those fuckers to the wall. you do not let them thrive.

it has been a really fucking long time since i ahve raged in a mafia game but you are seriously bringing me close

Each inhale is 1. Breathe in and out until you get to 10 and restart.

[implosion]

it's literally like before you've read the words in my post, you assume that what i've written is scum motivated and then apply that to what i've written

zach if you are town for fuck's sake have some intellectual honesty and try to fucking understand the points i'm making

[Varsoon]

When I find scum, I'll tunnel 'em. Fuck me, right?

Also, this implosion guy is exactly the kind of rube that Titus and Dunnstral are playing like a fiddle.

-The odds of it being a scum gambit are so horrifically low. The risk/reward of claiming masons on d1 as scum is absolutely terrible.

So, are you going to let every scum who takes a high-risk, barely-ever-seen gambit fool you? Way to play right into their hand. You're exactly the kind of player I'd love to play against as scum.

-They are outed as power roles; they are, therefore, likely to be killed at night, meaning we don't have to try to sort them at all.

Not at all. If town, the nature of their claimed roles (Masons) informs the nightkill by letting the scum team know that they are not the powerful night action PRs (such as cop, doc, etc.) and so their chances of being killed are VERY low, especially because their play isn't helping town at all. Stack that on top of the fact that there is already seeded doubt about their roles and they've got a clear check to cash all the way to the LYLO line. This plays heavily into their favor as scum. We have to lynch them now or, otherwise, we'll never know outside of a cop clear or vig kill.

-If by some miracle they are scum, they will keep surviving nights and they will become more and more likely scum candidates as the days go by, allowing us much more confidence in sorting them later

It's no miracle, first of all.
Second off, no. You'll just continue to conf-bias them as Masons and lose for it.

-If we lynch other scum in that time, then the more scum we lynch, the more unlikely the masons are to be lying, making it easier to sort them later

If they are both scum, our chances of hitting scum with a lynch plummet significantly. Also, this logic is flawed, because other scum being lynched does not make their claim more or less valid at all.

-At massclaim, if there is a huge abundance of power being claimed, they also become easier to sort then

You're assuming a massclaim will happen AND you're assuming that you can outguess the setup/mod. Garbage.

I'd like to note that by

far

the most important of these points is the first; the rest are just supplementary to it. There are so many reasons that claiming masons on day one has astronomically higher risk than reward for scum.

Yes, which makes it an effective gambit.
I just counter-claimed masons.
So who is scum, dickhole?
You only get to be wrong once.

[Zachstralkita]

it's literally like before you've read the words in my post, you assume that what i've written is scum motivated and then apply that to what i've written

zach if you are town for fuck's sake have some intellectual honesty and try to fucking understand the points i'm making

Inhale. Count to four.

Exhale. Count to 4.

You are on a picturesque mountain top with no possessions.

[implosion]

So, are you going to let every scum who takes a high-risk, barely-ever-seen gambit fool you? Way to play right into their hand. You're exactly the kind of player I'd love to play against as scum.

as i have explained 6-7 times in the past page.
If we lynch them on day four
they haven't fooled us!
they just delayed their lynches
and we don't care about that
because dead scum is dead scum.

[Varsoon]

it's literally like before you've read the words in my post, you assume that what i've written is scum motivated and then apply that to what i've written

zach if you are town for fuck's sake have some intellectual honesty and try to fucking understand the points i'm making

I've just read your words and assessed that they're wrong.
Thanks for doubtcasting though, because insisting on a narrative where a player is scum-biasing you out the gate does wonders for town-posturing.
:3

I actually do think you're town, though, implosion.

[Varsoon]

So, are you going to let every scum who takes a high-risk, barely-ever-seen gambit fool you? Way to play right into their hand. You're exactly the kind of player I'd love to play against as scum.

as i have explained 6-7 times in the past page.
If we lynch them on day four
they haven't fooled us!
they just delayed their lynches
and we don't care about that
because dead scum is dead scum.

Show me another game where you lynched claimed masons, please.

[Dunnstral]

Well, no one, but that's because we haven't counter-claimed masons yet.

I think we can't sidestep this any further, mason buddy.

I was REALLY hoping we wouldn't have to out like this.
I crumbed it in my first post, too. :/

I think the legitimacy of our out is overshadowed by the doubt of almost everyone in the game along with Titus and Dunnstral's competing c laim.


In any case, I'll take " Lynch Dunnstral " for 500.

VOTE: Dunnstral

What happened to townreading me?