New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

Varsoon · Post Post #1375 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:30 am

T'was a ruse, Dunny.

Zachstralkita · Post Post #1376 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:30 am

I'll have to back up my partner on this one. The higher risk you take, the higher reward and the chances of a miracle happening increase exponentially. It's the Devil's Roulette.

Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1345, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 1342, Varsoon wrote:
In post 1340, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 1337, Varsoon wrote:Well, no one, but that's because we haven't counter-claimed masons yet.

I think we can't sidestep this any further, mason buddy.
I was REALLY hoping we wouldn't have to out like this.
I crumbed it in my first post, too. :/
I think the legitimacy of our out is overshadowed by the doubt of almost everyone in the game along with Titus and Dunnstral's competing c laim.

In any case, I'll take " Lynch Dunnstral " for 500.

VOTE: Dunnstral
What happened to townreading me?

I was pretending to not be a mason for a little bit but some things happened I got excited and here we are, thrust right into the middle of it

Dunnstral · Post Post #1377 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:32 am

They're not actually claiming masons guys, don't be dumb

implosion · Post Post #1378 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:32 am

Varsoon wrote: Not at all. If town, the nature of their claimed roles (Masons) informs the nightkill by letting the scum team know that they are not the powerful night action PRs (such as cop, doc, etc.) and so their chances of being killed are VERY low, especially because their play isn't helping town at all. Stack that on top of the fact that there is already seeded doubt about their roles and they've got a clear check to cash all the way to the LYLO line. This plays heavily into their favor as scum. We have to lynch them now or, otherwise, we'll never know outside of a cop clear or vig kill.

this is somewhat true. A lot of what i'm saying is really because i think there never should have been any doubt in their claims, at least not until later. Except for your last sentence. Your last sentence is bullshit. We can read them on future days just like we can read anyone else.

If they are both scum, our chances of hitting scum with a lynch plummet significantly. Also, this logic is flawed, because other scum being lynched does not make their claim more or less valid at all.

First part of this is true. Second part is not. The logic is simple and statistical; in fact based on the first line you wrote, you can actually see it as following from conditional probability if you know any probability. If they're scum, then the probability of us lynching other scum is low; therefore every time we lynch other scum, the probability of them being scum goes down. But the first point is valid.

You're assuming a massclaim will happen AND you're assuming that you can outguess the setup/mod. Garbage.

I have honestly found setup spec post-massclaim to be the most accurate means of scumhunting empirically. And a massclaim will eventually happen.

Varsoon wrote:Yes, which makes it an effective gambit.
I just counter-claimed masons.
So who is scum, dickhole?
You only get to be wrong once.

Again,
1) i don't believe you (1344 is just lol),
2) there can be multiple masonries.

implosion · Post Post #1379 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:33 am

In post 1373, Varsoon wrote:
In post 1371, implosion wrote:
varsoon wrote:So, are you going to let every scum who takes a high-risk, barely-ever-seen gambit fool you? Way to play right into their hand. You're exactly the kind of player I'd love to play against as scum.
as i have explained 6-7 times in the past page.
If we lynch them on day four
they haven't fooled us!
they just delayed their lynches
and we don't care about that
because dead scum is dead scum.
Show me another game where you lynched claimed masons, please.

show me another game where scum claimed masons together and it worked out, please.

implosion · Post Post #1380 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:33 am

i've never lynched claimed masons bc i've never seen scum claim masons

implosion · Post Post #1381 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:33 am

sorry for not ever mislynching town masons i guess.

implosion · Post Post #1382 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:33 am

like seriously. i don't even know. can someone sane come into the thread please.

Dunnstral · Post Post #1383 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:35 am

I wish sickofit explained what he's thinking

Performer · Post Post #1384 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:35 am

In post 1364, implosion wrote:And even if you are actually claiming to also be masons I still don't see that as a reason to lynch them; multiple masonries is not impossible, and all the more information we'll get from each night phase.

This is what I thought as well . I have never encountered a multiple Masonry, however, in the 100+ games I've looked over/played/hosted. I'd imagine if it were the truth this game, it's because the game moderators of this game, wanted to soften the strength of town PRs for balance.

@imp vote Wake or Transcend with me please.

Zachstralkita · Post Post #1385 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:36 am

Dunnstral wrote:They're not actually claiming masons guys, don't be dumb

Quit flailing.

implosion wrote: I have honestly found setup spec post-massclaim to be the most accurate means of scumhunting empirically. And a massclaim will eventually happen.

Okay fortune teller, and I'm assuming you know what day page and post it will happen as well? Oh, and you'll also be alive?

Another thing to indicate Ditus scum is they constantly referred to themselves as masons and expected you all to lap it up like deprived goldfish tossed into a 4cm puddle. Strongarmed, if you will.

" Masons " can also be mafia-aligned and there's nothing from the mod to suggest that if Ditus' claim holds true, they're not. The fact that myself and Varsoon are masons aligned with the town makes the Ditus mason team being town a way less stronger possibility.

Dunnstral · Post Post #1386 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:37 am

Guys

You realize they're not actually counter claiming masons?

Have some context and read the whole thread

Dunnstral · Post Post #1387 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:37 am

In post 1385, Zachstralkita wrote:" Masons " can also be mafia-aligned

No they can't because this is a normal game

Boem_u_dusi · Post Post #1388 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:38 am

Hmm, what's the probability of them claiming mason as towns?
I think cop should check one of them to make sure.

Performer · Post Post #1389 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:39 am

In post 1387, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1385, Zachstralkita wrote:" Masons " can also be mafia-aligned
No they can't because this is a normal game

Zach what the??? Scum Masons in a normal & balanced game???? This looks very fishy from you .

@Boem my invite to imp, extends to you as well.

Zachstralkita · Post Post #1390 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:39 am

Dunnstral wrote:Guys

You realize they're not actually counter claiming masons?

Have some context and read the whole thread

What part of " ruse " do you not understand?

Here.

Varsoon and I weren't originally going to take this route, but shit happened.

Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1385, Zachstralkita wrote:" Masons " can also be mafia-aligned
No they can't because this is a normal game

So you're scum then.

Zachstralkita · Post Post #1391 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:41 am

Boem_u_dusi wrote:Hmm, what's the probability of them claiming mason as towns?
I think cop should check one of them to make sure.

If the cop should check anyone, it's one of Dunnstral/Titus.

Performer wrote:
In post 1387, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1385, Zachstralkita wrote:" Masons " can also be mafia-aligned
No they can't because this is a normal game
Zach what the??? Scum Masons in a normal & balanced game???? This looks very fishy from you .

@Boem my invite to imp, extends to you as well.

ok hold your horsies I knew what masons were but I didn't know their normal status until... a little while ago

Boem_u_dusi · Post Post #1392 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:41 am

In post 1389, Performer wrote:
In post 1387, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 1385, Zachstralkita wrote:" Masons " can also be mafia-aligned
No they can't because this is a normal game
Zach what the??? Scum Masons in a normal & balanced game???? This looks very fishy from you .

@Boem my invite to imp, extends to you as well.

Huh?

Boem_u_dusi · Post Post #1393 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:42 am

In post 1391, Zachstralkita wrote:
Boem_u_dusi wrote:Hmm, what's the probability of them claiming mason as towns?
I think cop should check one of them to make sure.
If the cop should check anyone, it's one of Dunnstral/Titus.

Yeah that's what I thought.

Performer · Post Post #1394 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:42 am

@boem my invite to vote Wake or Transcend, who I have in my notes as scumreads.
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First we have originals, then cc, then possible multi-town teams, then scum-mason talk (which makes no sense as scum are already aligned).

This is insane. I 'm going to take a breather from this game for rest of the day.
This is just insane.

Lapsa · Post Post #1395 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:42 am

In post 1386, Dunnstral wrote: You realize they're not actually counter claiming masons?

did i miss something? who's the second one?

Zachstralkita · Post Post #1396 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:43 am

Lapsa wrote:
In post 1386, Dunnstral wrote: You realize they're not actually counter claiming masons?
did i miss something? who's the second one?

Yours truly.

Lapsa · Post Post #1397 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:43 am

VOTE: Dunnstral

this definitely needs more fuel

implosion · Post Post #1398 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:44 am

Can you give me a tl;dr (or a full case, or just some links to past posts) on transcend-scum? He is one of the people I listed as a townread that I feel relatively weak about now. But I'm somewhat inclined against wake right now.

Boem_u_dusi · Post Post #1399 (ISO) » Mon Jun 27, 2016 8:45 am

In post 1394, Performer wrote:@boem my invite to vote Wake or Transcend, who I have in my notes as scumreads.
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First we have originals, then cc, then possible multi-town teams, then scum-mason talk (which makes no sense as scum are already aligned).

This is insane. I 'm going to take a breather from this game for rest of the day.
This is just insane.

What about Nosferatu/Sickofit?