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First part is clearly twisting anything you can find to be twisted. The problem is not with "anything that has to do with my being scum," it's with your logic. Or lack thereof. And the audience is Bins, she's the one deciding this.In post 2567, Tyler the Creator wrote:
even the initial line is scummy; the tone here is of a "oh here we go again it's so obvious all the problems with anything that have to do with my being scum"In post 2565, toolenduso wrote:All right lotta problems in that post about Jaack.
but then why respond to it in this way?
who's the audience of this post?
quote="In post 2567, Tyler the Creator"]The reasoning is literally; jaack is town because scum wouldn't say "don't forget TOF might be godfather"[/quote]
No, it's "Why would scum do something that would obviously make them look worse if they're the last member of their scumteam and one vote away from a lynch? And why doesn't Tyler see that?"
quote="In post 2567, Tyler the Creator"]My initial post was neutral anyway - you weren't challenging any position and the answer to it bordered on rhetorical.
The answer is "why do scum do anything."[/quote]
I was asking you to provide your reasoning. You clearly had none, and continue to have none. Therefore -- fake.
quote="In post 2567, Tyler the Creator"]You literally put off posting content because you wanted my answer to that?[/quote]
No, right after I asked you that question you came out with a shallow-reachy case on me and suddenly I started smelling something foul coming from your direction. So I switched gears.
2) i invented the jaack wagonIn post 2565, toolenduso wrote:And further, I was pointing it out specifically because you brought it up as an argument that I didn't understand. Turns out there was a reason for that -- you wanted to justify mislynching Jaack.
3) i invented the xy wagon[/quote]
I could check on the veracity of this but it's irrelevant. So you wanted to lynch two townies. Great. I found the fake reasoning and pointed it out and now you can't justify it.
quote="In post 2567, Tyler the Creator"]one of the townest posts in the thread - you not recognizing that spoke a lot about how scum you were[/quote]
I have used that exact tactic as scum before and I have seen my partners do it when I'm scum. I gave examples. Why was xyzzy's post super-town? Again, let's look at your reasoning:
Yeah.In post 2368, Tyler the Creator wrote:only a scumrobot wouldn't be swayed whatsoever by xy's post last page"Half of the game is figuring out who the scum is. The other half is convincing everyone else that you're right." -- PlaysWithSquirrels, in Newbie 437-
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Aw son of a bitch. Fixed the quote tags.
Spoiler:"Half of the game is figuring out who the scum is. The other half is convincing everyone else that you're right." -- PlaysWithSquirrels, in Newbie 437-
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like this is the post where i initially thought you were town earlyIn post 119, toolenduso wrote:This game is basically contradicting my expectations of how town usually gets out of RVS. I feel like it usually goes like this:
RVS votes -> player A says something mildly scummy -> people wagon player A, and in the process player B says something weird -> people wagon player B
By this time in the game I feel like there's usually been a legit wagon. Since there hasn't been one yet in this game, I feel like scum is either disjointed or timid.
The main thing was that I really expected at least a small wagon on Robert for his first post. As soon as I saw it I thought it looked very surface-level scummy. Exactly the sort of thing you can make a shallow case on. Good place to look for scum trying to go for something easy/look like they're scumhunting.
Then jaack was the only person to do anything about it. After that:
ira kinda joke-criticized jaack about it in #29, Tyler townread jaack in #54 for it, Keyser voted jaack for it in #55 and Dunn votes and makes a case on jaack in #91.
It just kinda makes sense to me that jaack could be scum and his partners didn't support the robert wagon but are also not really dealing with the fallout on jaack either. He's a good place to start, I think.
VOTE: jaack
In other news, re-reading gave me a townlean on Tyler. Not entirely for the way he's playing, though he is doing work (a surface-level towny-looking thing), but more the way that people started townreading him almost in kind of snowball fashion. It's striking me as the kind of thing where town say he looks town, impressionable town agree and scum hop onto the townreading wagon in an effort to have genuine-looking reads.
you townread me, which is my kryptonite
you came up with this weird snowball townread thing that felt out of the box but upon reflection i do pay A LOT more attention to everyone's individual reads as scum - so it's pretty fake-able and how sticky you stayed on this for your reasoning and saying that my posts were "surface level" did make me twitch
mostly because i know exactly how town i radiate at any given moment; like this post im at about a 6 - last page i was about an 8 and when i quoted 3 dead town calling you scum i was high and feeling myself that post was probs a 10
make sense?
so when you say that my stuff was surface level - when it wasn't - that's actually pretty scummy and should've listened to my gut here about that little nudge and not say "well the rest of the post looks okay"
when it wasn't
the post is clearly inflated by three lines about how "unexpected" the game has been so far
then some IIoA about jaack
then the line about jaack doesn't even really make sense and is actually just straight up moonlogic
like that vote is pretty terrible now that im looking at it
but no i focus on shit aboutmeand just townread it because being a human meatsack with emotions-
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Sorry I'm not trying to take this personally it's just it looks like we're about to lose so I've got this energy going"Half of the game is figuring out who the scum is. The other half is convincing everyone else that you're right." -- PlaysWithSquirrels, in Newbie 437-
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YOU DON'T KNOW YOU WON'T KNOW TOOLIn post 2577, toolenduso wrote:Why was xyzzy's post super-town?
that scum role PM suppresses your empathy-
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Okay so I looked through tool's iso just for any average sized post and what I'm gonna do is show that post unedited vs. an abridged version while trying to leave absolutely none of his points out and see what the difference actually is. Here we go.
Spoiler: Tool's post
Spoiler: Post with same points made but abridged slightly-
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One BIG thing that you should keep in mind bins is how both creature, keyser and ha all softly scumread tool. Or at least didn't townread him.
We both thought he looked town the first half of the game all the way up until like... day 4ish? (at least for me)
Why do you think that is? Did any of them ever really try and lynch tool? Nah.
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to clarify this ill give an exampleIn post 2585, Tyler the Creator wrote:also, scummy af turnaround like why did he make a mountain out of that if my points were soreachy
person 1: you're scum!
town: no you're scum!
person 1 again: you're scum!
scum: Four score and seven years ago ... (insert paragraphs upon paragraphs of scumminess and bs here) ... So, in conclusion. It has come to my attention, that this person who has called me scum, for reasons that make NO SENSE to anyone with a brain obviously (lol) is actually probably scum. Not jokin'!-
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Because I'd been largely fooled up until that point. I thought you were town.In post 2585, Tyler the Creator wrote:also, scummy af turnaround like why did he make a mountain out of that if my points were soreachy
Yeah, and how did they interact with you? Here is literally HA's only mention of you:In post 2586, Tyler the Creator wrote:One BIG thing that you should keep in mind bins is how both creature, keyser and ha all softly scumread tool. Or at least didn't townread him ... Did any of them ever really try and lynch tool? Nah.
And this is all the noteworthy interactions I found between both Keyser and Creature toward you:
They basically ignored you except to give you shallow townreads.In post 2262, toolenduso wrote:-Keyser kinda buddies up to Tyler in #58, sorta like he did to me on D1 as well.
-Other than that, his discussions with Tyler are largely clinical (answering questions, talking about game theory, etc).
-Creature says Tyler's motivations look good in #1868."Half of the game is figuring out who the scum is. The other half is convincing everyone else that you're right." -- PlaysWithSquirrels, in Newbie 437-
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We're not talking about you. We're talking about your partners...In post 2589, Tyler the Creator wrote:yes tool because i know the first thing on my mind as scum is to
...and scum do these things all the time with their partners. Especially avoiding interaction.In post 2589, Tyler the Creator wrote:1. ignore the shit out of my buddies
2. and make sure that i townread them for silly and confusing reasons
scum all lurked out - having more interaction with them is weirder than not much"Half of the game is figuring out who the scum is. The other half is convincing everyone else that you're right." -- PlaysWithSquirrels, in Newbie 437-
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hey modman how much time do i have before tick tick tick BOOMIn post 2516, Zulfy wrote:
With three alive, it takes two to lynch
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I mean I don't think there's anything that could be impossible for scum to say. I'm generally against the idea because my own knowledge that I'm town is going to cause me to see my own posts differently than somebody who can't be sure whether I'm town. But if you're asking then I can look around for some towny-looking stuff in my ISO."Half of the game is figuring out who the scum is. The other half is convincing everyone else that you're right." -- PlaysWithSquirrels, in Newbie 437-
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no investigation no right to speak-
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Honestly Bins I think you already found a lot of the most towny stuff from me. Like 411, 448 and 1646. There's the fact that I didn't go after Robert when he mixed up his claim and Tyler did? There's also the fact that I was trying to prevent town from fracturing after Dunn's gambit by dividing the game clearly into towns and scum possibilities. I did that so we wouldn't get distracted and let scum fool us into lynching somebody like Dunn or TOF."Half of the game is figuring out who the scum is. The other half is convincing everyone else that you're right." -- PlaysWithSquirrels, in Newbie 437-
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Which, while going through my ISO, I found another thing that shows why Tyler is scum that I forgot about. After Dunn's gambit, while Jake was still pushing super hard for us to lynch Dunn, Tyler said this:
So I pointed out that that would be making it harder for town to win:In post 1845, Tyler the Creator wrote:look, if this is about teaching the kid a lesson so that he never does stupid shit like this as town again, then yea, we've got a couple mislynches to burn and there's no way for me to argue that
And Tyler responded:In post 1855, toolenduso wrote:Bad idea for town. We have a pool of clears and our advantage is in keeping as many people in that pool as possible.
So I was all like:In post 1870, Tyler the Creator wrote:no shit?
And then Tyler was like:In post 1891, toolenduso wrote:Sorry -- was this post not you suggesting that we could afford to lynch Dunn just to appease Jake?
Which is him trying to slip out of it. He's still saying we could lynch Dunn to appease Jake, but then not taking responsibility for it.In post 1892, Tyler the Creator wrote:we could "afford" it
it's pretty easy to gather im quite against it, though
i just wanted to no for sure if it was worth my time to argue with him about it"Half of the game is figuring out who the scum is. The other half is convincing everyone else that you're right." -- PlaysWithSquirrels, in Newbie 437-
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tool, i only have one vote, i argued against the dunn lynch
why is it impossible for you to interpret perfectly reasonable lines of inquiry just as they are and not add on this make believe masked robber breaking into the back window spin to it?
without me the dunn lynch probably goes through; you're first quote is me - arguing against jake about why lynching dunn is bad
you say bad idea for town - like you're arguing against me, but you have the same exact stance on it as i do?
fucking hell man could you pretend to care about other people's stances on things that you have a stake enough in to argue about?-
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