New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[Dunnstral]

#ProutToBe dumb

#ProudToBe scum?

[Lapsa]

#ProutToBe dumb

#ProudToBe scum?

entirely possible

[Transcend]

VOTE: Titus
If only because absolutely no one has any love for my Dunnstral wagon.
Fuck like
You morons, I CALLED OUT SOMEONE FAKE-CLAIMING MASONS, CAUGHT THEM, AND EXPOSED HOW ANTI-TOWN THEY WERE AND YOU'RE STILL TOWNREADING THEM!?!

We've already lost before we've begun.

I actually really don't like this post.

[Transcend]

VOTE: Vedith

[Boem_u_dusi]

VOTE: Titus
If only because absolutely no one has any love for my Dunnstral wagon.
Fuck like
You morons, I CALLED OUT SOMEONE FAKE-CLAIMING MASONS, CAUGHT THEM, AND EXPOSED HOW ANTI-TOWN THEY WERE AND YOU'RE STILL TOWNREADING THEM!?!

We've already lost before we've begun.

I actually really don't like this post.

Seems agenda-y.

I don't see Dunn and Titus running away with this if they are both scum + there's a plenty of time to ISO and discuss them tomorrow.

[Vedith]

Nice to see an easy wagon going without resistance on me.
Mafia really are getting nice control in this game.

The only thing people are salty about is me not letting up the most anti town move in the game.
The sad thing is even when I flip people will just pass buck and say it was my own fault rather than admitting that what I said is correct.

Regardless, I don't think I'll properly catch up until the night phase due to the amount of shit to catch up with. only checking the people who I believe are jumping on an easy wagon during then.

[Dunnstral]

only checking the people who I believe are jumping on an easy wagon during then.

You're a hypocrite

[Vedith]

You're a hypocrite

I'm not one to disagree with that.

[Airick10]

You have two players who have admitted to lying about being masons and you're giving them both passes for it? Why?

Four players. Is Zach getting away with lying about being masons too? I haven't seen where you actually come out and say you're not actually a mason.

[Airick10]

I don't see Dunn and Titus running away with this if they are both scum + there's a plenty of time to ISO and discuss them tomorrow.

Agreed

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus
If only because absolutely no one has any love for my Dunnstral wagon.
Fuck like
You morons, I CALLED OUT SOMEONE FAKE-CLAIMING MASONS, CAUGHT THEM, AND EXPOSED HOW ANTI-TOWN THEY WERE AND YOU'RE STILL TOWNREADING THEM!?!

We've already lost before we've begun.

I actually really don't like this post.

Seems agenda-y.

I don't see Dunn and Titus running away with this if they are both scum + there's a plenty of time to ISO and discuss them tomorrow.

Varsoon has been going after us to specifically with no other thoughts. I would like to see his thoughts on the rest of the game state.

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Vedith


Nothing he's said has made me want to vote him less. I also want to point out how fucking awful Nosferatu's last post was.

No one's contesting that Titus' play was anti-town as fuck. But that is the only lynch you seem to care about and you've offered no other scumreads, nevermind took heed to the possibility of a Town Titus/Dunn in this situation.

When you flip, it will be your own fault.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Titus
If only because absolutely no one has any love for my Dunnstral wagon.
Fuck like
You morons, I CALLED OUT SOMEONE FAKE-CLAIMING MASONS, CAUGHT THEM, AND EXPOSED HOW ANTI-TOWN THEY WERE AND YOU'RE STILL TOWNREADING THEM!?!

We've already lost before we've begun.

Varsoon; I firmly believe you're town by now, but I think you're mistaking about Titus here (and consequently on Dunn, although to a less degree of confidence in my own view). It's not beyond Titus to do crazy gambits like this one. I don't feel like going all the way town casing her, but Titus is NOT stupid. Stubborn, yes. Stupid?? Absolutely not.

[Transcend]

a50, opinions on a vedith lynch?

[Vedith]

So, what am I at now?

[Boem_u_dusi]

So, what am I at now?

History.

[Vedith]

History.

*Applauds*

[Performer]

Still catching up, only up to pg 78 right now. I saw Ved replaced into Nos slot - welcome, Ved. It's been awhile since I've seen you .

So apparently all 4 were fake claims. That is just awful play.
@Titus yes, Lapsa has been shown to be antagonistic when he is town . I never saw his scum game before.
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Zach, you stated A50 was most likely town? Explain that and the below too.
"Transcend and AGar are blatant town, plus AGar is like the third voice of reason amidst this shitstorm."
I don't see Trans as town - too much careless posting. How exactly is Agar a voice of reason? Looks like he's just tunneling Titus.
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thought the other large I played was chaos, but what even is this? We have two different mason pair claims, four macho claims (I think two were serious), and one of the masons is also macho? Like, do the other masons want to claim a modifier too while we're at it? Are they all macho? Is every townie macho this game? Do our protective roles serve any purpose?
Why aren't we just lynching one of the claimed masons, then if they flip town, lynching the other pair? At worst, it's a two-for-one. At best, we lynch scum, and confirm another scum on day one. At this point, I'm starting to seriously consider the possibility that all of the claimed masons are scum just screwing with us.

podo, I'm guessing scum planned to create massive chaos leading to 90+ pages for d1. I'm also hypothesizing they could be high-defending certain people while executing choreographed bickering with other certain people. With that said, I 'm considering the fake claimers in the lynch pool - Titus & Dunn (And are Vars & Zach still saying they're the true Masons? I might have missed it amidst these numerous pages). No matter how awesome you are, fake claiming is generally an awful idea. Fake claiming day 1 because it would somehow help provide direction to town? I've witnessed in spectator mode and witnessesd firsthand, how awful things turned out after fake claims.
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At first I had Wake as an sr of mine , due to 1305 . Then he made an 1842 that I could see coming from town frustration, because I'm feeling like that too. So now I'm tr on Wake. UNVOTE: Wake
I'm curious though , Wake - how has your read on me evolved from not being mentioned, to throwing me into lynch pool, to me being scum?

[Performer]

We aren't masons. I fake claimed to save Dunn because he is frankly obvtown but crappy and needs to learn to play with others.

Titus, what made you choose this egregious method compared to another method? Immediately after my first large normal
against you as scum, you hard defended me in a different large normal (and we were both town), but you never pulled a fake claim move like you did here.
This was your best idea to help Dunn??

Also, what is the chance that she fake claimed Mason....and there turned out to be ACTUAL Masons in this game?
I just went back in time to pg 4 and the posts Zach, Vars, Titus, and Dunn, look awkward.

No I'm not a mason

No, Varsoon/zach aren't either

-Dunn

.....wow.

town is stupid/dumb/horrible, this is worst town ever

-Titus

Constant negativity from Titus. Starting to sound strange to me because my first impression is that it's pointless to constantly inject your negativity in here , as there's plenty of drawn-out discussion already.

[Vedith]

Hi Performer good to see you again!

However, be careful on thinking badly of Titus. She has the players wrapped around her finger.

[Performer]

Macho fake so docs don't heal me.
Mason fake so we wouldn't lynch obvtown and I would die N1.

Pulling a fake claim gambit could've helped her team role fish for the real Mason, to out himself if there is one.
If there wasn't a real Mason in here (I detailed this earlier in my ISO), then it would be tough to find out if she was lying or not, later on - assuming she would live longer than day 2 or whatever.

There's even an entire discussion thread on why fake claiming is anti town. I argued with Lapsa over this several times, in other games too. This is going to take some more time for me to catchup with what else I missed. Still only on pg 79.

[Wake1]

However, be careful on thinking badly of Titus. She has the players wrapped around her finger.

Don't think that way. It's only Day 1 and she was almost lynched for being Scummy. If she is Scum and is alive come Day 3 it'll be far more difficult for her to continue manipulating Town.

[Airick10]

There's even an entire discussion thread on why fake claiming is anti town. I argued with Lapsa over this several times, in other games too. This is going to take some more time for me to catchup with what else I missed. Still only on pg 79.

I haven't seen that discussion and sure, it's an anti-town move. But I also think it's a case-by-case basis by game. I argue if someone believes another is town so much to take that much of a risk, it becomes a town move. That's the reason Titus has mentioned she did it and I've seen nothing from her to suggest otherwise.

Constant negativity from Titus. Starting to sound strange to me because my first impression is that it's pointless to constantly inject your negativity in here , as there's plenty of drawn-out discussion already.

I do agree with this however, I don't like the constant negativity vibe she gives off throughout the game. The game itself has made it rather easy to go negative pretty quickly, but the attitude of really not even caring much anymore about it does give off an anti-town vibe.

[Boem_u_dusi]

Airick10 is giving me good vibes here.

[Performer]

Transcend, are you scum partners with Titus?
I mean, your comments seem to be more advising or protecting towards her than I appreciate.

Got ma eye on you!
Lets go! Lets go!

I've had a an sr on Transcend ever since his peculiar call-out on my No Lynch. Yet, there are other people who advocate that he's town.

Finally

someone else who thinks he's scummy.
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The other scumread I currently have is Mirhawk

That guy has been forgettable to me in the midst of this massive post-growth. imp , can you tell me more about Mir? I don't recall anything that stood out to me about him .