Game of Thrones

[toolenduso]

Just image Daario's heartfelt confession of love to Dany if he looked like this:

Spoiler:

[AniX]

..what?

What part confuses you?

[KuroiXHF]

I don't have anything productive to add to this discussion except that the music for this last episode was one of the most beautiful and haunting things I've ever heard, and the music for this series is already generally on-point.

The only negative thing I have to say about the music was that I was cognizant of it - but only because they never use music like this.

But also partly because it was beautiful.

[Venmar]

..what?

What part confuses you?

If you're referring to Cersei, she's powerless to do anything to the North or Vale, and if you're talking about Dany, she wouldn't kill them.

[AniX]

..what?

What part confuses you?

If you're referring to Cersei, she's powerless to do anything to the North or Vale, and if you're talking about Dany, she wouldn't kill them.

Cersei the Golden has the forces of Westerlands and at least one unstoppable zombie. I'm sure The Mountain wasn't some sort of unique specimen. If Qyburn can revive him he can revive others and march a zombie army. To say nothing of the other tricks they have up their sleeve.

[Rhinox]

https://player.vimeo.com/video/172374044

Very cool

[Venmar]

Cersei the Golden has the forces of Westerlands and at least one unstoppable zombie. I'm sure The Mountain wasn't some sort of unique specimen. If Qyburn can revive him he can revive others and march a zombie army. To say nothing of the other tricks they have up their sleeve.

Well Jon and Sansa have the North and the Vale to defend them, and have historically impregnable chokepoints, the Neck and the Bloody Gate.

More importantly, Cersei is about to get destroyed by the combined might of the Tyrells and the Martells. Daenary's is also about to arrive in Westeros. I estimate that her "reign" will be short but eventful. An army of Mountain zombies also sounds dumb, no offence, since it took

weeks

or something to transform Gregor. Making an army at that rate is literally fantasy. Not to mention we don't know the specifics behind the experiment, and it's possible Gregor becoming a super zombie was only possible because a man of his size and strength was able to endure the procedure.

[Iecerint]

I'd love her to last forever, but I'm skeptical.

[Claus]

I'm just sad because Rickon Stark in the books was going to be raised in cannibal island and return as the new Shagga, while in the TV series he was just a wimp that could not step a little to the left

[AniX]

Cersei the Golden has the forces of Westerlands and at least one unstoppable zombie. I'm sure The Mountain wasn't some sort of unique specimen. If Qyburn can revive him he can revive others and march a zombie army. To say nothing of the other tricks they have up their sleeve.

Well Jon and Sansa have the North and the Vale to defend them, and have historically impregnable chokepoints, the Neck and the Bloody Gate.

More importantly, Cersei is about to get destroyed by the combined might of the Tyrells and the Martells. Daenary's is also about to arrive in Westeros. I estimate that her "reign" will be short but eventful. An army of Mountain zombies also sounds dumb, no offence, since it took

weeks

or something to transform Gregor. Making an army at that rate is literally fantasy. Not to mention we don't know the specifics behind the experiment, and it's possible Gregor becoming a super zombie was only possible because a man of his size and strength was able to endure the procedure.

It was my assumption that it took that long because Qyburn was largely still experimenting. Now that he knows what worked and how it worked he should be able to speed up the procedure. Even if it takes weeks she has the luxury of time. Dany is going to take forever to reach Westeros and The North is going to have her hands full fighting Snow-zombies from further North especially when they find a way to go full Reagan and tear down the wall. The North will be fighting a war on two sides (both of which are employing zombies) long before Cersei does.

[PJ.]

Cersei the Golden has the forces of Westerlands and at least one unstoppable zombie. I'm sure The Mountain wasn't some sort of unique specimen. If Qyburn can revive him he can revive others and march a zombie army. To say nothing of the other tricks they have up their sleeve.

Venmar mostly nailed this but Zombie Mountain was a fairly long process and he wasn't actually dead. He was dying. On top of that, she has no army and no friends. She literally toasted her army along with basically everyone in kings landing that matters. She has no allies. Vale?. NOPE. Dorne? NOPE. North? NOPE. Frey? NOPE. Tully? NOPE. Tyrell? NOPE. And uh, dragons are coming. Oh not to mention the Lannisters are Low Key broke. And the final nail in the coffin. Jamie Lannister. NOPE. She just did exactly what Jamie threw his honor away to prevent 15 years ago. Him and the Lannisters actually CAN'T back Cersei up because she just went full mad king.

[Venmar]

Cersei the Golden has the forces of Westerlands and at least one unstoppable zombie. I'm sure The Mountain wasn't some sort of unique specimen. If Qyburn can revive him he can revive others and march a zombie army. To say nothing of the other tricks they have up their sleeve.

Well Jon and Sansa have the North and the Vale to defend them, and have historically impregnable chokepoints, the Neck and the Bloody Gate.

More importantly, Cersei is about to get destroyed by the combined might of the Tyrells and the Martells. Daenary's is also about to arrive in Westeros. I estimate that her "reign" will be short but eventful. An army of Mountain zombies also sounds dumb, no offence, since it took

weeks

or something to transform Gregor. Making an army at that rate is literally fantasy. Not to mention we don't know the specifics behind the experiment, and it's possible Gregor becoming a super zombie was only possible because a man of his size and strength was able to endure the procedure.

It was my assumption that it took that long because Qyburn was largely still experimenting. Now that he knows what worked and how it worked he should be able to speed up the procedure. Even if it takes weeks she has the luxury of time. Dany is going to take forever to reach Westeros and The North is going to have her hands full fighting Snow-zombies from further North especially when they find a way to go full Reagan and tear down the wall. The North will be fighting a war on two sides (both of which are employing zombies) long before Cersei does.

I don't think you realise that even if you were right, the North is literally the last thing she should care about. She actually, physically, can't give a shit if she has Tyrell and Martell armies marching on her from the south and the west while Daenary's lands on the eastern coast. She actually has no choice but to just let the North be.

[AniX]

Cersei the Golden has the forces of Westerlands and at least one unstoppable zombie. I'm sure The Mountain wasn't some sort of unique specimen. If Qyburn can revive him he can revive others and march a zombie army. To say nothing of the other tricks they have up their sleeve.

Well Jon and Sansa have the North and the Vale to defend them, and have historically impregnable chokepoints, the Neck and the Bloody Gate.

More importantly, Cersei is about to get destroyed by the combined might of the Tyrells and the Martells. Daenary's is also about to arrive in Westeros. I estimate that her "reign" will be short but eventful. An army of Mountain zombies also sounds dumb, no offence, since it took

weeks

or something to transform Gregor. Making an army at that rate is literally fantasy. Not to mention we don't know the specifics behind the experiment, and it's possible Gregor becoming a super zombie was only possible because a man of his size and strength was able to endure the procedure.

It was my assumption that it took that long because Qyburn was largely still experimenting. Now that he knows what worked and how it worked he should be able to speed up the procedure. Even if it takes weeks she has the luxury of time. Dany is going to take forever to reach Westeros and The North is going to have her hands full fighting Snow-zombies from further North especially when they find a way to go full Reagan and tear down the wall. The North will be fighting a war on two sides (both of which are employing zombies) long before Cersei does.

I don't think you realise that even if you were right, the North is literally the last thing she should care about. She actually, physically, can't give a shit if she has Tyrell and Martell armies marching on her from the south and the west while Daenary's lands on the eastern coast. She actually has no choice but to just let the North be.

That is correct if Cersei was thinking logically or tactically. I don't know if that is the case. Cersei has lost everyone she ever loved (and is about to lose Jaime). Cersei cared about winning the Game and she has. I don't think she is overly concerned with keeping it so much as using to stick it to all her enemies. That includes the Dorne bastards (and old Lady Tyrell if she finds out her involvement in poisoning Tommen) but it also definitely includes Sansa Stark. Dany is really the least of her concerns.

Don't count out the Iron Islands either. Dany is sailing with the rebels and Uncle Euron is probably going to have some objections to that. I'm sure Good Queen C would be more than happy to give all of the Riverlands back to the Iron Islands as it was in the days of Black Harren if he'll lend his men to the cause.

[Venmar]

That is correct if Cersei was thinking logically or tactically. I don't know if that is the case. Cersei has lost everyone she ever loved (and is about to lose Jaime). Cersei cared about winning the Game and she has.

I don't think she is overly concerned with keeping it so much as using to stick it to all her enemies.

Which is why she will fail

[AniX]

Can you fail at something you aren't trying to do?

[Venmar]

No 'cause she won't try it.

[Frozen Angel]

Cersei the Golden has the forces of Westerlands and at least one unstoppable zombie. I'm sure The Mountain wasn't some sort of unique specimen. If Qyburn can revive him he can revive others and march a zombie army. To say nothing of the other tricks they have up their sleeve.

Well Jon and Sansa have the North and the Vale to defend them, and have historically impregnable chokepoints, the Neck and the Bloody Gate.

More importantly, Cersei is about to get destroyed by the combined might of the Tyrells and the Martells. Daenary's is also about to arrive in Westeros. I estimate that her "reign" will be short but eventful. An army of Mountain zombies also sounds dumb, no offence, since it took

weeks

or something to transform Gregor. Making an army at that rate is literally fantasy. Not to mention we don't know the specifics behind the experiment, and it's possible Gregor becoming a super zombie was only possible because a man of his size and strength was able to endure the procedure.

It was my assumption that it took that long because Qyburn was largely still experimenting. Now that he knows what worked and how it worked he should be able to speed up the procedure. Even if it takes weeks she has the luxury of time. Dany is going to take forever to reach Westeros and The North is going to have her hands full fighting Snow-zombies from further North especially when they find a way to go full Reagan and tear down the wall. The North will be fighting a war on two sides (both of which are employing zombies) long before Cersei does.

I don't think you realise that even if you were right, the North is literally the last thing she should care about. She actually, physically, can't give a shit if she has Tyrell and Martell armies marching on her from the south and the west while Daenary's lands on the eastern coast. She actually has no choice but to just let the North be.

That is correct if Cersei was thinking logically or tactically. I don't know if that is the case. Cersei has lost everyone she ever loved (and is about to lose Jaime). Cersei cared about winning the Game and she has. I don't think she is overly concerned with keeping it so much as using to stick it to all her enemies. That includes the Dorne bastards (and old Lady Tyrell if she finds out her involvement in poisoning Tommen) but it also definitely includes Sansa Stark. Dany is really the least of her concerns.

Don't count out the Iron Islands either. Dany is sailing with the rebels and Uncle Euron is probably going to have some objections to that. I'm sure Good Queen C would be more than happy to give all of the Riverlands back to the Iron Islands as it was in the days of Black Harren if he'll lend his men to the cause.

nah jaime will kill cersi the end game is the exact replica of ned/robert rebellion against the capital (daenerys and jon in this case) and jaime is the king slayer so ... he ill kill the mad queen too

[Shadoweh]

I told my coworkers I think Dany and John will get married for the politics and they all made NO THAT'S GROSS arguments with me

[PJ.]

Well tbf, marrying you cousin in thronesland really isn't that big of a deal

[Rhinox]

Well tbf, marrying you cousin in thronesland really isn't that big of a deal

Aunt/Nephew, technically

[Yosarian2]

I told my coworkers I think Dany and John will get married for the politics and they all made NO THAT'S GROSS arguments with me

Yeah, that's how I see it ending.

I mean, the whole series is called "A song of ice and fire". Obviously John Snow is ice, and Daenerys is fire.

[Frozen Angel]

and it refers to dragons and white walkers as well.

[Yosarian2]

and it refers to dragons and white walkers as well.

Sure. And the giant wall of Ice in the north that is probably about to be broken soon, and the dragon fire that is used as a weapon in the most key moments, and the coming of winter in general, and so on. It's got lots of echos throughout the series.

[Frozen Angel]

I mean a symbol of two rising factions and powers flowing toward capital.

It was shaping throw all the seri and its finally happening.

I believe jon and denaris against cersi will be more like Robert and ned against madking and the show is trying to be symmetric both time wise - and powerwise (between ice and fire)

[Iecerint]

I don't think Jon has any motive to go south now.