Open 645: C9++ - Game Over

[LicketyQuickety]

Zach you're not dying n1 just chill

Probably the reason that Dunnstral was killed.

This is coming straight out of left field. What the hell is this analysis dav?

What does it mean when someone tells a conftown (an obvious possible kill choice) that they won't be NK'd?

IDK, you tell me. Why tell the IC they aren't getting NKed? There were objectively better choices to NK than Dunn.. You want to wrap that up as Dunn claiming PR go right ahead, but Dunn said plenty of weird shit and Scum have and IC they can attempt to kill at any time.

[Zachstralkita]

I don't support this LQ vote btw

[Zachstralkita]

By the way LQ (and dave), Dunn said that to me cause I've been pretty fucking useless thus far, so it was a no-brainer that they'd gun for someone else.

Dunn obvtowns everywhere he goes, it shouldn't be something that you're reading into that much.

[Ümläüt]

UNVOTE: Smithereens

After seeing how much effort he's devoted to finding "slips" in everything anyone says, I have less trouble believing he thought he saw a cop crumb from Bins. I thought he might have been scum theatering with Transcend D1 but Titus' reveal negates that possibility.

Texcat LQ

Let's just suggest everyone pick one unless expressly townreading them both.

Way too early to be narrowing it down this far.

VOTE: Davesaz

(I guess if it came down to those two I'd rather lynch texcat than LQ since she's contributing less. I was townreading her pretty strongly yesterday for bringing up Transcend's behavior, but she hasn't really done anything since then.)

[texcat]

(I guess if it came down to those two I'd rather lynch texcat than LQ since she's contributing less. I was townreading her pretty strongly yesterday for bringing up Transcend's behavior, but she hasn't really done anything since then.)

Why do people keep saying this? Do I have to spam the thread for yall to think I'm doing something?

[Bins]

I'm back but not caught up weeee

[Zachstralkita]

(I guess if it came down to those two I'd rather lynch texcat than LQ since she's contributing less. I was townreading her pretty strongly yesterday for bringing up Transcend's behavior, but she hasn't really done anything since then.)

Why do people keep saying this? Do I have to spam the thread for yall to think I'm doing something?

No you just need to like.. hunt... for the scum.. remember

[texcat]

And finding another scum slip from LQ before his known scum slip? Does that not count as scum hunting?

[Smithereens]

VOTE: Davesaz

(I guess if it came down to those two I'd rather lynch texcat than LQ since she's contributing less. I was townreading her pretty strongly yesterday for bringing up Transcend's behavior, but she hasn't really done anything since then.)

You talk about the LQ vs Textcat issue, and you vote Dave as if it doesn't concern you at all. What is the vote on Dave for?

[Zachstralkita]

And finding another scum slip from LQ before his known scum slip? Does that not count as scum hunting?

Could you pretty please point out both of these scumslips?

[Zachstralkita]

VOTE: Davesaz

(I guess if it came down to those two I'd rather lynch texcat than LQ since she's contributing less. I was townreading her pretty strongly yesterday for bringing up Transcend's behavior, but she hasn't really done anything since then.)

You talk about the LQ vs Textcat issue, and you vote Dave as if it doesn't concern you at all. What is the vote on Dave for?

I'm quite sure earlier in that post he said it was way too early to be narrowing it down to two people.

[Smithereens]

VOTE: Davesaz

(I guess if it came down to those two I'd rather lynch texcat than LQ since she's contributing less. I was townreading her pretty strongly yesterday for bringing up Transcend's behavior, but she hasn't really done anything since then.)

You talk about the LQ vs Textcat issue, and you vote Dave as if it doesn't concern you at all. What is the vote on Dave for?

I'm quite sure earlier in that post he said it was way too early to be narrowing it down to two people.

The question came out wrong. I mean to ask why he is voting Dave as if he doesn't want to think about LQ/Textcat, or as if he isn't interested in them/not concerned. He didn't say why he picked Dave.

[texcat]

And finding another scum slip from LQ before his known scum slip? Does that not count as scum hunting?

Could you pretty please point out both of these scumslips?

I just had a brief skim of LQ's ISO. This was before his scumslip:

By the way the more you talk about the IC the more I believe you're mafia

How is talking about the IC AI? Do you think I have been bringing it up a lot or something? I'm pretty sure that is not the primary thing I have been talking about. Explain.

BTW, you have fair points on that you are sheeping Ranger. Ranger doesn't know my alignment, but the point is seen nonetheless.

Something seems off to me when he says that Ranger doesn't know his alignment. If LQ were town, wouldn't he assume that there are quite a few people (mafia) who do know his alignment.

VOTE: LQ

[Zachstralkita]

So yeah but I'm not sure how that exactly constitutes a scumslip.... assuming someone is Town is not necessarily scum-indicative as it's a pain in the ass to treat everyone as neutral in every single statement that you make.

[texcat]

And finding another scum slip from LQ before his known scum slip? Does that not count as scum hunting?

Could you pretty please point out both of these scumslips?

And if you're going to insist Lickety then I'm going to insist you give something more than 'gut feeling.'

Okay. I have an N0 guilty on LicketyQuickety. There ya go. More than gut.

OK I feel stupid for having to state this (and more stupid for you saying it), but there is no N0 in C9++. And I just can't take this seriously because most the time N0 give a VT result and Cop wouldn't out themselves Day 1 and there is not even a guaranteed Cop in the game. The only scenario I can see a reason for a cop to come out day 1 is because they were a 1-shot. But again, I have never seen a game where a 1-shot Cop gets an investigative result N0. I can honestly say this is one of the more bizarre claims I have seen (barring some of the ones I have made tho).

IF YOU ARE COP, DO NOT COUNTER CLAIM THIS!!!

Lickety, man, I was townreading you . Why, if you're town, did the most obvious rebuttal not involve anything to the effect of "How could she get a guilty on me when I'm town?" I'm trying my best to treat this with a grain of salt, but as far as scumslips go, this is quite a biggie.

I wouldn't consider it a scumslip

But I see you didn't consider this a scum slip either. I didn't either at the time because I was agreeing with LQ on his Transcend/Titus scum read. But going back to reread after the Titus cop claim made me reevaluate. (Unlike LQ who seems to be sticking with his Titus and Ranger scum reads.)

[Zachstralkita]

I'm sorry but that seems too fucking dumb to be a scumslip, say what you want

Nevermind that some people can read sarcasm very well through text, while others have absolutely no indication for it

[Zachstralkita]

Also I seem to have forgotten about plain farmer but no one seems to want to kill him

[texcat]

Although a bunch of people wanted to kill him on D1 before the push on Ira.

[Zachstralkita]

Tru but I was one of the wholehearted advocates of NOT doing that.

[Ümläüt]

You talk about the LQ vs Textcat issue, and you vote Dave as if it doesn't concern you at all. What is the vote on Dave for?

I spent most of yesterday casing Dave. Do you seriously not remember this?

[Ümläüt]

I'm sorry but that seems too fucking dumb to be a scumslip, say what you want

Pretty much this.

I mean, it struck me funny that LQ seemed to be taking that "claim" as an actual claim and yet his response wasn't to put his vote on Ranger and never take it off again, which is what I would do if I saw a verifiably false claim. But frankly I would do that even if I were scum, so I can't call it alignment indicative.

[Smithereens]

You talk about the LQ vs Textcat issue, and you vote Dave as if it doesn't concern you at all. What is the vote on Dave for?

I spent most of yesterday casing Dave. Do you seriously not remember this?

No, I don't remember it at all. So I checked your ISO out of curiosity of why I don't remember this happening, and sure enough you really haven't said much in the way of Dave. There's a post here and there but no case, and certaintly not enough to say "I spent most of yesterday casing Dave."

[Ranger]

Because if you know you're town, and you are actually behaving the way I say you are, then that behavior is ipso facto townish from your perspective, so it's kind of dumb to suspect me for calling it townish when it actually is.

Pretty sure this is a logical fallacy. Forget the name of it though.

She can only be gf, SK, or town.

And I have gone on record to say I would NEVER, EVER choose investigation immune over bulletproof as a serial killer. Because, you know...I'm

Ranger

. I tend to get nightkilled a lot...even as scum. So, not a serial killer, aside from the obvious lack of second nightkill. Also, one reason I love this setup? It is very much easily broken with simple logistics. We know there's an absolute maximum of 5-Ts, so the only possible iterations where I'd be a Godfather are {0 T, 1 T, 2 T, 5 T}. Of those, half have a serial killer. A lack of second nightkill indicates a lack of one. Leaving the only possible setups where I'd be a Godfather as {0 T, 2 T}. Time will tell with those, as will time tell with a lack of a serial killer. (Which is an assumption at this point.)

Of course, strictly speaking, objectively, there's the option I'd be scum with Titus, but in that case, lynch Titus first. Regardless, that pretty much tells you that I'm town. Titus is town. So lynch scum.

[Ranger]

{LQ, dave, Umlaut, texcat}

Literally the only name here I wouldn't lynch is dave.

[Zachstralkita]

ok thamnks for your input I believe it is valuable at this point in time

I'm drunk as a fucking monkey's tail tho so umm............

{LQ, dave, Umlaut, texcat}

Literally the only name here I wouldn't lynch is dave.

Why is that?

I'd be more inclined to lynch dave than Umlaut. and texcat's reaction stuff reads kinda town.