My read of Dierfire will be a 2-in-1. It will be my read in general, showing posts that feel scummy, and also refuting his point about certain posts he peddles as pro-active in
1198.
Dierfire immediately jumps into the game with a reads list(
228 and
229), but this never returns(until specifically asked for one). This raises my suspicion, because I think it suggests emulation of a thought process not organic to Dierfire. It makes it seems like his method of organizing his thoughts is not consistent and perhaps that this list was fabricated. Ahem, sound familiar?
Anyways, one of the big things for me, is the Karnos vote, unvote, vote, then unvote. This is terrible on so many levels. I have a good feeling Karnos might be scum with Dierfire(see my Karnos read) and I think this lines up with that. Keeping in mind that scum have day-talk, I think his whole unvote and re-vote business shouldn't be surprising. It seemed very unlike him compared to the rest of the game so far. His "partial" explanation of it all in
797 is also equally terrible. Why are we even allowing "partial" explanations of such scummy stuff? Partial suggests that he's hiding something else in regards to the explanation(I would love to know what that is), or that he knows his own explanation isn't good enough to pass as town, but he has no choice but to give one. So "partial" excuses its terrible reasoning. Plus, the explanation even points out that he wanted to lock Karnos into a claim. I think he got an easy 2-in-1 by not only locking Karnos into a claim(as planned), but also by potentially getting town-cred for being the one to do it.
As for the actual voting itself, the first one comes in at
558, where he gives a weak meta-read of Karnos as justification for voting him and it puts Karnos at L-2. This is probably bussing to make him look good/distancing. However, I don't think he was expecting Mathblade to swoop in and put Karnos at L-1 in
562. So when he comes back the next day, he chooses to unvote. Knowing that scum have day-talk, this makes sense. The unvote gives time for him and the other partner to explain to Karnos what to claim/how to go about it, since it seems Karnos really isn't all that experienced. Dierfire, on the other hand, seems to have quite the experience under his belt. Anyways, when he finishes telling Karnos what to do, he votes for him in
642 to obviously get that planned claim out. Once the claim is out, the subsequent unvote in
704, as planned. I would also like to note that Dierfire's explanation for his vote on Karnos in
642 is very unlike him, from what I've seen so far. That statement "I'm still not entirely sure what's going on here, but I think that I know enough" feels like something forced/planned. I don't think town!Dierfire would say something like this. For most of the thread he seemed natural in his explanations for votes or un-votes. But when it came time for the Karnos vote/unvote, he seemed to get very uneasy and out of his element. I doubt town!Dierfire contemplated so hard about Karnos that he forgot how hes been playing for the majority of the game. It was all too sudden.
As a side note, him asking Mathblade in
724 "What was weird about it?"(referring to the Karnos vote/unvote thing) is scummy as shit. How would town!Dierfire not see how people wouldn't find that weird? Really? The reasonable and townie thing to have done in response to Mathblade would have been to (fully) explain why he did what he did. Not ask what was specifically weird about it. By asking specifically, he allows himself room to talk about only certain aspects, rather than have to give a full explanation, as that might sound strange.
228 - Look at Persivul read. Low key buddying with "and how many Mafia players look up the ages of other players?" Not hard to click name and see age on profile.
355 - Asks question, never got answer. Can't judge for pro-activeness since it's more than just asking a question, as explained below.
394 - Asks question, never got answer. Same thing.
494 - Asks a question to Wingback about Wingback's Mizzytastic town read and Wingback gives an answer in
519, but Dierfire never replies back to it. Never factored it into his read of Wingback either. Not pro-active because if you're just going to ask a question and never reply to it, where is the "discerning alignment" happening? To just give out random questions and then never follow up is pretty damn suspect. It feels that you are giving questions just to show you're being pro-active and active in general, and that the questions don't really mean anything.
558 - He says that he is pro-active for looking back into an old game of Karnos where Karnos was town to see if Karnos' wording in
382 matches up to a post in that game. The first issue is that I see Karnos as scum with Dierfire, and so in this scenario, it just seems like Dierfire trying to find anything on Karnos to vote him to bus/distance. Doesn't want to stick out like a sore thumb with a useless vote on Kappy. Second issue is that Dierfire contradicts himself here. He says that the post he pulled up from the town!Karnos game has "similar wording" but then says that it is "slightly different" in that very same post. What?
642 - This vote is addressed above and why I think it's not pro-active is also found above. To summarize: He says he wanted to lock Karnos into a claim. But, of course he'd want to lock Karnos into a claim. It's a claim that he probably gave to Karnos himself(more on this above). He was was hoping and probably knew from experience that such a claim would get votes off Karnos. Karnos was gonna be L-1'd eventually, and to be the one to do it and claim credit for it comes off as LAMIST and something he could put in his back pocket to use as evidence of his fake pro-activeness.
712 and
720 - Asks the question to Johnny about who he scum reads, and Johnny answered in
723. Doesn't reply to answer. Never makes it into his read of Johnny, or factors the reply into it. Explained above why not pro-active.
804 - His read of Johnny is a whole lot of nothing. Tip toes around Johnny harder than Jerry does around Tom. Seems like since he was pushing the Kappy vote(easy mislynch), he didn't see the need to vote Johnny as it seemed Johnny would be hammered sooner than later at that point. By keeping his vote on Kappy, who was inactive at the time, it would be an easy excuse not to vote Johnny. He didn't want to be on the Johnny wagon for obvious reasons. He even alludes to not opposing the Johnny lynch, but never seals the deal with a vote.
823 - Promising to read me is important here. Since he knows Johnny is going to be hammered soon, he needs to set up his D2 actions accordingly. I was universally town read going into D2, and he probably felt he needed to change this. Presents a case on me, suspects me pretty hard, but doesn't vote. Why you might ask? Simple. He saw the Mathblade wagon piling on and knew that would be the easier mislynch. Also because his case failed pretty badly. I'm not sure anyone looked at it and thought "oh Saru scum" as he was hoping. Qubixes might have(although he never commented on it), but that's besides the point. Qubixes was already reading me as scum, and he would have conf-biased hard because of that anyways.
892 - This is maybe the closest thing I can think of to being as "pro-active" as he claims. But, even then, it is weak. He asks a question to Mathblade and Mathblade answers(
893). He then indirectly replies to Mathblade's answer via his reply to Mecha(
1006) by dismissing it as "abstract meta-defense." Basically, he never refutes Mathblade's point in
893. He simply chooses to dismiss it outright without any real reasoning.
1003 - This is terrible. Surprised this went unnoticed. He tries to fix up a DEAD Wingback's point about him in Wingback's case against him. Like seriously? What's the point in trying to fix a SINGLE point made in a dead person's case against you? That just comes off as paranoid. Why not just address it directly to other players, instead of taking the roundabout way? Actually, better yet, why not just address the whole case instead of just a single point? He already took the effort to address one point, why not the others? I think he's happy no one has really brought it up against him. Firebringer alludes to it in
950, and Dierfire asks Firebringer in
1005 if he even read the case by Wingback. Firebringer never responds, but to even ask that question instead of asking WHAT Firebringer felt were good points made by Wingback, seems like he is avoiding addressing the case in general. By not asking what the good points are, Dierfire can avoid having to counter them and just draw attention to them in general. Similar to asking Mathblade what was "specifically" weird about his Karnos vote and unvote fiasco(explained above).
1218 - Looks like some scum thought process slipping out by mistake. "Although I can't recall any posts that sound like they were written in collaboration." It's hard to tell whether he was talking about his own posts here, or other peoples' posts. However, that doesn't really matter, because it's the thought that counts. For him to even say that "can't recall any post that sound like they were written in collaboration" suggests that he is genuinely curious as to whether his or his scum partners' posts were sounding too buddy-buddy. He didn't even have to be legitimately worried about ACTUAL collaboration. It is more likely he was worried that he might have been sounding too buddy-ish to one of his partners somewhere along the thread and hoped Math or someone else could point it out so that he could fix it, because it seems obvious that he wasn't willing to refute it.
All that being said, I'm pretty damn positive
Dierfire is scum.
