Mini 1811 [Game Over]

[Trivium]

Is bacde's thing on Iai because they are lurking?

[MURDERCAT]

My wagon is pretty bullshit. Just going to put that out there. I mean, I have a bunch of people voting me because of a gutread of Murder, who's obviously distancing themselves from my lynch by being weirdly indecisive. That beginning bit that murdercat seems all 'pinged' about is really just me fucking around to get out of rvs as fast as possible because I don't get the point of it. I'm not going to defend myself any more either, so you can either fuck off or mislynch. I don't think murdercat is mafia, but evilpacman is obviously sheeping hard and I'm just disappointed with the confirmed town.

I'm not pushing for your lynch?

[MURDERCAT]

I'm not voting you for murders read on you. Don't think pacman is either.

Holy shit on that rage tho.
VOTE: Iraon
Back to this one.

Jae what about 392 seems town to you? Feigned rage is a classic scum tactic

True, he could definitely be scum. I need to see more before I want to lynch anyone though.

[Bacde]

vote trivium

[iraonavp]

Jar is town wtf
No mafia member sits at his computer and writes a post like #46 and clicks submit. Mafia members love to try to look town and reasoned and back up all their reads with long chains of fake reasoning. Like if Jar was mafia he wouldn't blatantly sheep like that, he'd come up with his own story and then vote iraon

This is also basically why I think TM is town.

This is very scum-aligned.

It's using WIFOM logic to read someone as town-aligned, because he knows that JarJarDrinks is town-aligned and what he sees reinforces this to him, even though it is null.

I don't have a read on JarJarDrinks currently, but if Accountant is scum-aligned then he is very likely town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

Yeah, iraon is scum, everything about him screams fake to me. Pushing on MURDER is easy, plus I feel like he's only interested in defending himself and doesn't want to engage.

VOTE: iraonvp

That's stupid, and makes the assumption that MURDERCAT is town-aligned, which he probably isn't...

Literally the entire thing I have been doing this game is trying to make reads, I'm not only interested in defending myself!

[iraonavp]

you realize you're basing a strong read on a 2nd page post right??

Townslip is townslip no matter what page it's on

"townslip" is just ridiculous, put this in context!

VOTE: iraonavp

I dont like those things either.

"townslip" is when someone slips information that confirms them as town-aligned, not just someone who votes without reasoning!

I don't even see how voting someone without reasoning would even be town-aligned at all. What you said is 100% WIFOM.

Your defense of JarJarDrinks is obscene and you are scum-aligned.

[iraonavp]

basically iraonvp is playing exactly like someone I would push for an easy lynch if I was mafia so I'm just assuming he's town and finding the more likely mafias

I don't like this attitude towards me. It's like you are trying to avoid pushing me because it will make you look suspicious for taking the easy target or something.

[iraonavp]

That's a weird way of spelling MURDERCAT

Though just because someone is an easy push for hypothetical mafia doesn't mean their town

This doesn't sound like you are really so confident I'm scum-aligned if you also think "easy push" implies you acknowledge that I am naturally suspicious.

"easy push" doesn't even mean anything realistically. It's just WIFOM and you can easily read people through that.

[MURDERCAT]

iraon, you just say things, but you don't really explain why that thing is true. Like, why does Accountant thinking that JJD is town for post 46 make Accountant scum. Like really think about that and answer it please.

[iraonavp]

I thought I already explained that...

Because he already knows that JJD is town-aligned, and the WIFOM reasons he uses are confirmation bias. Because saying that voting without reasons is a "townslip" is just ridiculous.

[iraonavp]

What exactly is this townslip people are talking about.

Remember when JJD was sheeping you without giving reasons? That's a townslip. Mafia has an obsession with justifying everything they do and giving long lists of reasons for doing stuff. That doesn't mean that people who justify themselves excessively are mafia, but it does mean that people who don't are town. I feel like a mafia JJD would have come up with a better reason than "sheep lol" in order to look good, which is another thing mafia are obsessed with.

Read this, it's ridiculous!

[JaeReed]

Jar is town wtf
No mafia member sits at his computer and writes a post like #46 and clicks submit. Mafia members love to try to look town and reasoned and back up all their reads with long chains of fake reasoning. Like if Jar was mafia he wouldn't blatantly sheep like that, he'd come up with his own story and then vote iraon

This is also basically why I think TM is town.

This is very scum-aligned.

It's using WIFOM logic to read someone as town-aligned, because he knows that JarJarDrinks is town-aligned and what he sees reinforces this to him, even though it is null.

I don't have a read on JarJarDrinks currently, but if Accountant is scum-aligned then he is very likely town-aligned.

By your reasoning there I'm scum. Because I had the same thought when I first read it.

[JaeReed]

Yeah, iraon is scum, everything about him screams fake to me. Pushing on MURDER is easy, plus I feel like he's only interested in defending himself and doesn't want to engage.

VOTE: iraonvp

That's stupid, and makes the assumption that MURDERCAT is town-aligned, which he probably isn't...

Literally the entire thing I have been doing this game is trying to make reads, I'm not only interested in defending myself!

Except Murder is town.

[JaeReed]

you realize you're basing a strong read on a 2nd page post right??

Townslip is townslip no matter what page it's on

"townslip" is just ridiculous, put this in context!

VOTE: iraonavp

I dont like those things either.

"townslip" is when someone slips information that confirms them as town-aligned, not just someone who votes without reasoning!

I don't even see how voting someone without reasoning would even be town-aligned at all. What you said is 100% WIFOM.

Your defense of JarJarDrinks is obscene and you are scum-aligned.

Townslip wasn't the right word, but more like towntell. In any case... JJD had reasonings that lined up with someone elses reasonings. He stated that with his vote. Just because you don't like his reasoning doesn't discount that it's there.

[MURDERCAT]

Ok, but what if Accountant is town? Can it make sense for Accountant to be town and believe that JJD's post was a town post? Like you are kind of just saying words. Prove to me that only scum could believe that is a town post. Explain why Accountant's reasoning is bad please.

[JaeReed]

basically iraonvp is playing exactly like someone I would push for an easy lynch if I was mafia so I'm just assuming he's town and finding the more likely mafias

I don't like this attitude towards me. It's like you are trying to avoid pushing me because it will make you look suspicious for taking the easy target or something.

This is ridiculous. Bacde is obvious town.

That's a weird way of spelling MURDERCAT

Though just because someone is an easy push for hypothetical mafia doesn't mean their town

This doesn't sound like you are really so confident I'm scum-aligned if you also think "easy push" implies you acknowledge that I am naturally suspicious.

"easy push" doesn't even mean anything realistically. It's just WIFOM and you can easily read people through that.

You took this out of context, and therefore it's a misrep.

[iraonavp]

What do you want? You just keep insisting that you are correct without reasoning that I am wrong, it doesn't change anything.

Obviously you are not scum-aligned because you are innocent child but your opinions don't have any more value because of this.

[iraonavp]

Ok, but what if Accountant is town? Can it make sense for Accountant to be town and believe that JJD's post was a town post? Like you are kind of just saying words. Prove to me that only scum could believe that is a town post. Explain why Accountant's reasoning is bad please.

Maybe, but I doubt it. Little is certain in this game.

[iraonavp]

I don't understand how I could quote someone without taking it out of context...

[MURDERCAT]

No. Don't write off that post.

"Prove to me that only scum could believe that is a town post. Explain why Accountant's reasoning is bad please."

[iraonavp]

Ok, but what if Accountant is town? Can it make sense for Accountant to be town and believe that JJD's post was a town post? Like you are kind of just saying words. Prove to me that only scum could believe that is a town post. Explain why Accountant's reasoning is bad please.

Also, this isn't talking so someone who you think is scum-aligned.

This is talking to someone you know is town-aligned and you are trying to convince them to change your mind about reading your partner. No reason to try and change my mind if MURDERCAT already thinks I am town-aligned.

[iraonavp]

No. Don't write off that post.

"Prove to me that only scum could believe that is a town post. Explain why Accountant's reasoning is bad please."

I never claimed that I could objectively 100% prove any claim I made and this ridiculous strawman only convinces me further that you are scum-aligned.

[iraonavp]

I already explained why Accountant's belief makes him more likely to be scum-aligned, and now you're just saying "prove he's confirmed scum though!!".

[MURDERCAT]

I am asking for something very simple. Explain why Accountant's reasoning is ridiculous in your opinion.