Exactly. Hence my suspicion of you.Skruffs wrote:And yet I didn't say we should lynch him or not, did I? DID I???Battle Mage wrote: I didn't say we shouldn't lynch Sir T. I said that we shouldn't lynch him YET. I'm surprised at you being someone in favour of cutting discussion short.
I must disagree. In my opinion, even comments like 'this guy is scum' with weak reasoning, are more helpful than 'i'm going to vote for these players, but i'm not going to say why'. Whatever you say, at least it gives an opinion. I dislike the disdain with which you seem to regard my posts, but you could well be right about my original statement arguing 2 opposite things. Jordan makes a valid point about Sir T seeming to try and push the Jester breadcrumb a little too hard. Nonetheless, i fail to comprehend your stance atm. I've seen you play many games in the past, and your behaviour here is completely inexplicable. Normally you are a player who posts fairly prolifically, and provides lots of good analysis, and when town, gives mostly unbiased accounts of situations. Now, i am really strugging to understand your play with regard to Sir T here. The Skruffs i know would be at the very least, criticising his unwillingness to actually contribute. This isn't even a case of whether you find him scummy or not-it is the fact that you seem content with his total deliberate lack of reasoning.Skruffy wrote:He appears to me to be pro-town. He is figuring out what his food does (instead of just using it willy nilly like jdodge) - he seems to have some sort of a pr (which I think has been discussed is less likely to make him scum, but doesn't rule it out), and while he has not been the best at hunting scum, he's NOT making incredibly .... thoughtless posts like "This is a scum, guys, but let's not lynch him because I don't want him to have the satisfaction of the doubt".Battle Mage wrote: I'm gonna make this very simply for you Skruffs. In your next post, i want you to tell me what YOUR thoughts of Sir T are. I dont want any 'JESTER? ROFLMAO' type of stuff. I want to know what you make of him. I mean, you don't think he is a Jester, and you dont appear to find him scummy, so i'm intrigued to see your explanation for his behaviour.
You seem to be quite sure he is scum, though - and in other games, your reasoning, though unorthodox (as mine is unorthodox) a lot of time is spot on the mark.
So why don't you explain why you think he is scum instead of trying to wifom the town into lynching, him, you, or both?
I dont consider it a case of simultaneously attacking and defending him. I was looking at the options, and still, i see absolutely no way that Sir T can be simply innocent town. Again, i'm having problems with you though. I mean, tell me if i'm totally wrong here, but usually you cast the net fairly wide, but here, you are acting really tunnel-visioned. It is very peculiar...Skruffy wrote:I have not been avoiding it. I have simply been keeping my attention on you - something you are tryign desperately to shift, without getting yourself into more trouble. What made you feel the need to both discredit sir t and 'defend' him at the same time?Battle Mage wrote: Much as it is nice to catch someone in the act of fabricating a case out of nothing, i would like to hear some opinions on something else from you-a topic which you have been deliberately avoiding. Sir T.
Oh and don't think i didnt notice the appeal to emotion.
LIES. I originally suggested the possibility of a Jester in post 226, as Jordan pointed out a few posts ago i believe. Not that i really see the significance of that point either way, it still begs the question, whats with the misrepresentation?Skruffs wrote:Sure.Battle Mage wrote:I don't even recall Jordan suggesting Jester first, but again, assuming you have your facts straight, you won't be opposed to showing me?
The beginning of the Jester debate
Jordan states it first, you tag along. You echoed his thoughts in post 262.
I think we established about a page ago that my meaning here was that we don't quicklynch Sir T immediately. Note to Skruffs: Please Read Context.Skruffy wrote:"Sir T is scum, but let's not lynch him."Battle Mage wrote: I don't entirely understand your last paragraph. One minute you accuse me of pushing Sir T too hard, and the next you suggest that i'm somehow DEFENDING HIM? rofl.
That's what you said, BM. Telling town not to lynch someone is.. .defending them, right?
In any case, i'm not sure how you can consider defending Sir T a scumtell, when you are perhaps the most guilty player of that here atm.
Oh christ. Skruffs flaming? Now i KNOW something is up.Skruffs wrote:How so? You are saying that by paying attention to your scum tells, I was being non-committal to Sir T?Battle Mage wrote:I'd say this is a good example of distancing from reality, Skruffs, because i'd be inclined to say that it was your non-commitalness with regard to Sir T, and pushing of a counter-wagon, really fits the description of defence.
How am I noncommittal when you first say "Sir T is scum, let's not lynch him" and then say "Skruffs if you think he's scum why aren't you lynching him?"
Just admit it, BM, you screwed up, and you got caught. It's okay. You've said yourself you're not playing this game too well.
My view was, Sir T was either scum or jester. Period. You come along and attack the Jester argument, but neglect to make any comment on the allegation of him being scum. That's non-commital. The quotes of mine you have selected above don't prove anything. They do suggest that your BS attack on me is partially OMGUS based, but w/e.
What will make me laugh a hella lot, is if you are town.
You seem so excited at the possibility of catching me as scum, that you actually went as far as to make a case out of thin-air, in the hope of playing on the fact that i always look scummy, and getting a lynch. Guess what, kid? It's not your lucky day. You can continue to push a lynch on me if you want, but when i die and come up town, you're next in line fo sure.
You still haven't even successfully managed to explain what about my play looks scummy to you, other than my comments about the Jester.
Why would there not be nightkills? Do you know something that we don't?Skruffy wrote:Telling totwn day one in a game where there may or may not be nightkills to not lynch someone YOU FEEL is scumym because they may be a jester... is... far fetched reasoning, even for you, BM. Yes, flavor wise, a jester would fit in nicely, but the game-equivalent would be a 'quick-n-easy day one lynch' by the mod, who is rewarded by 'winning' for himself for helping start up the game.Battle Mage wrote: Oh and i should note, as i end up saying in every game it seems, Jesters are not as unlikely as some people would have you believe. If you'd been in as many games with Jesters as me, you would probably be wary of them as well.
Because from where i'm sitting, i can't see any reason why we wouldn't have NK's in this game. Again, please explain yourself. When i find the planet you are coming from, i'll respond to the rest of this.
[/quote]Skruffs wrote:You are threatening me for pointing out scum tells? When you know that I could very easily be lynched? Okie dokie. I'm just glad I got the chance to publicly note this.Battle Mage wrote: Anyway, i eagerly await your responses-custard pie in hand.
BM
BTW - BM - Are you getting ready to pie me because you think I'm scum or because I'm analyzing you?
If you think I am scum, please post an analysis before you throw that pie. I know you've noticed that I am 'tender', so if you are looking for a quick and easy way to dump a pie on me, (which sounds like it would be extremely messy and thus more likely to lynch me), I would expect you to post a good spate of reasoning first.
I am very curious about SHadowLurker myself. HE got wagoned early, complained, stated he only had 'five items' in his lunch box, and then disappeared.
Expect another post soon after this one - I am going to continue reading after BM's post now.
ROFL. Threatening you for pointing out scumtells? you and your ego need to get a room, matey.
On the topic of scumtells though, one very real scumtell that is worth noting is how obviously scared Skruffs is of me launching a pie at him.
Again, if he was reading the game, he would see that the odds of me actually having that pie are very very slim. you are 'tender'? lol
only in an argument it seems. I think there is plenty enough reason to lynch you atm, but i'm going to wait for other comments first. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I DO NOT THINK YOU ARE SCUM. It just means that i want to see what others think of you, before i throw.
BM