Newbie 1723 - Game Over!

[Vecna]

@Vecna, you came out swinging and never stopped last game you played as Town, what's changed now?

Beeh?

MEHHEHEHE-BEEEH!

VOTE: Dirty Harry

[Skold]

Right so Nacho is noncommittal as heck, I don't know if he's keeping himself up to date, but all criticism seems to come from an IC perspective rather than a scumhunt perspective and even any scumhunting I've seen and doesn't have anything backing it up. Hella scummy, seems like Nacho is hiding behind an IC barrier as an excuse not to play. Want fast followup on this one.

Vote:Nacho

Franky reminds me of how I played in my first game. I was town in that game but I don't know if that has any bearing. Slight townread.
TNE isn't doing smart things. The RQS read on E_Is_Cool is stupid and the ''scum caught for the wrong reasons'' read (not sure if this was you, but you're following it) is almost entirely baseless. If I had two votes.....

FOS: TNE

Catching up on everyone else. E_Is_Cool I'll get to you in a moment.

[Skold]

E_is_cool seems perfectly townish until 82 89 90. RQS is neutral because he didn't know better.
82 - Dirty Harry is not being neutral because he said he leans towards the latter. Which is him saying it's a scumtell.
89 - Scumlean is not neutral. Nobody should go gung-ho over nothing so it makes more sense to have just leans with this little information
90 - Ask questions don't dismiss the read altogether because they haven't posted quotes. Kills discussion, stalls, game wastes time as people get together the posts they had in their head.

LightFOS: E_is_cool

. I can't tell between badtown and scum here butthose last posts are awful. Sticking with Nacho till I get some genuine scumhunting there.
Dirty Harry is town until I see otherwise.

[Skold]

Vecna you get a maximum of one more sheep noises post before you say why you're a sheep.

[rb]

Why is Dirty Harry town?

[rb]

Vecna has clearly been polymorphed by a powerful wizard.

RIP Vecna

[rb]

Nobody should go gung-ho over nothing so it makes more sense to have just leans with this little information

Why are you calling Nacho, "hella scummy" then?

[Skold]

Because he is. It's not like not posting where he isn't posting, Nacho is posting frequently and doesn't say much.
And Dirty Harry is town because he doesn't babble, gets to the point and is making sensible conclusions. Look at his ISO, you'll probably agree.

[Skold]

''It's not like not posing where he ins't posting'' I might shoot myself. Jesus Christ what is that.

[Franky]

LightFOS: E_is_cool

. I can't tell between badtown and scum here butthose last posts are awful.

There are two cases:

1) He misremembered his own argument about why he's not scum. This implies he made it up on the fly to find a good response to earth, which is very scummy.

2) He was trying to paint me in a scummy light by implying I was misquoting him. This is also very scummy.

And regardless of which case it is, there is another fact that we can draw from this: "Quote it or it didn't happen" isn't the least bit logical. Either it happened, in which case he could have responded to defend himself or ignored it and both would have been acceptable town play to different degrees on D1. Or it didn't happen, in which case he should have said it didn't, and accused me clearly of misquote. He obviously couldn't do the latter, so he he attempted to avoid the former.

This isn't bad town play, it's bad scum play.

[Franky]

By "the former" I mean, having to defend himself.

And by "quote it or it didn't happen" I mean this:

Quote specific posts or it isn't a scumtell.

[Skold]

I do know about the posts I just made a post about . I also know e_is_cool is playing exactly how I played in my first game as town. There is nothing in those posts that could imply he failed to remember the argument he made.Though he does strike me as trying to turn discussion away from himself, I've seen town do that far too often for me to regard it as a tell. It's bad play certainly, but it's far too often used by both sides.

[e_is_cool]

The only argument you have against me is me bringing up RQS, and

that's because of my meta, not because of my alignment

. You also say that RQS looks town, but I'm scum because I'm doing it? That's kinda WIFOM-y.

ooh. i don't really like this response
someone take a guess at why

'Scum being caught for the wrong reason'?

The part about "that's because of my meta, not because of my alignment" is giving me a scum deja vu.

Quote specific posts or it isn't a scumtell.

The quote is already in there. I bolded it for you because I'm nice, but I don't believe for a second that you don't remember your own quote, or that you just missed that it was already quoted in a line of discussion that was specifically about it.

I see that I said it. Quote past games where a scum said this or it isn't a scumtell.

[Franky]

There is nothing in those posts that could imply he failed to remember the argument he made.

Well, that means he made the conscious choice to avoid defending himself while trying to paint me in bad light at the same time.

[Skold]

I don't think town should invest time into defending themselves heavily unless the current wagon is likely to lead to a lynch. And e_is_cool thinking you're scum isn't a scumtell. Stop this Franky it's very stupid.
And e_is_cool what the hell even is 112? Show me where a scum has said this or it's not a scumtell? There are 1700ish completed games in Newbie forums. I'm sure if I dig through enough things scum has said I can make literally anything is a scumtell. That's terrible criteria and a terrible defence. And I really don't see the point in defending against a terrible argument that won't hold.

UpgradingFOS: e_is_cool

Still on that Nacho thing or I would just vote you for feeling the need to defend against that argument.

[Skold]

Okay on the actual wagon of e_is_cool. No. The 'meta' thing isn't a scumtell especially not when it's accurate. Where e_is_cool comes from RQS is used and tells based on that are stupid. However this defence is just painful to read and I don't see why townE would want to defend against it.

[Franky]

I don't think town should invest time into defending themselves heavily unless the current wagon is likely to lead to a lynch. And e_is_cool thinking you're scum isn't a scumtell. Stop this Franky it's very stupid.

That's not something someone who thinks I'm scum would say, it's something someone who wants everyone else to think I'm scum would say.

Also, be civil, I don't appreciate you using that word, or telling me what to stop doing.

[Franky]

Can't say e's last response is any better either. Seems like scum grasping at straws.

[thenewearth]

At least skold seems town

[Ircher]

Day 1 VC #3

Vecna (0) -
e_is_cool (2) - Earth, Franky
Harry (2) - Rb, Vecna
Skold (0) -
Franky (0) -
rb (0) -
Parabola (0) -
Earth (1) - Parabola
Nacho (1) - Skold
Not Voting (3) - Harry, Nacho, e_is_cool

Lynch Threshold

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch!

Deadline

Day 1 ends on July 16, 2016 9:30 PM EST DST+1 or in (expired on 2016-07-16 21:30:00).

Mod Notes

Mod will be V/LA from 7/10 to 7/18 and 7/25 to 7/29.
I will not accept votes based off avatars (mainly because I have them turned off.)

[Skold]

I don't think town should invest time into defending themselves heavily unless the current wagon is likely to lead to a lynch. And e_is_cool thinking you're scum isn't a scumtell. Stop this Franky it's very stupid.

That's not something someone who thinks I'm scum would say, it's something someone who wants everyone else to think I'm scum would say.

Also, be civil, I don't appreciate you using that word, or telling me what to stop doing.

This makes zero sense as a response to what I've said. I don't think you're scum, I'm not being uncivil and this push is stupid. I'll direct you if I want, you can choose whether to listen.

[Skold]

Can't say e's last response is any better either. Seems like scum grasping at straws.

That last post is terrible. If I were to be pushing e_is_cool this post would be a rock as well as the three I pointed out. However I'm not pushing e_is_cool and the people who are active need to get on Nacho.

[Dirty Harry2]

Scum-lean is still neutral. I don't really think it was alignment indicative, even though earth is SE. I personally do not think that overreaction is a scumtell. I'll have to check meta. earth, can you list me the 3 most recent games you've played?

The meaning of my "scum-lean" is not neutral.
Do you have a problem with my read labels are do you have a problem with me scum-leaning thenewearth's behaviour?

"I personally do not think that overreaction is a scumtell."
I did not say "overreaction is a scumtell" - I said I leaned scum on thenewearth's certain reaction/behaviour after evaluating.

"I'll have to check meta. earth, can you list me the 3 most recent games you've played?"
If you are asking this question you are in no position to shut down my scum-lean read/pressure of thenewearth.

[Dirty Harry2]

And Dirty Harry is town because he doesn't babble, gets to the point and is making sensible conclusions. Look at his ISO, you'll probably agree.

"doesn't babble, gets to the point"
Null on this.

"sensible".
This intrigued me.
It is strange only you see this.
Others have described my posts as "very neutral".
The votes also indicative they find them scummy/suspicious.
However, you find them "sensible conclusions" - which observations/reads of mine do you think are "sensible"?

[Ircher]

Dirty Harry2 is the same as Dirty Harry.