Mini 1811 [Game Over]

[Accountant]

Hey all, I'm like 12 hours timezone difference from everyone here so I apologize for not being here sooner. Reading the thread atm

[Accountant]

Post 39 is bad

I don't understand what your problem with me is, or what "appeal" is.

I think Trivium has explained why he thinks you're scum already though and it's not hard to figure out why someone he's pressuring suddenly slapping a townread on him would be construed as scummy.

It means that you are to some extent confident and self-assured, which in my experience is a town-aligned trait. In any case, I'm town-aligned and I don't see how "having bad reasons" would make me scum-aligned.

Nope. Mafia are the one who appear omniscient, because they are.

[Accountant]

Jar is town wtf
No mafia member sits at his computer and writes a post like #46 and clicks submit. Mafia members love to try to look town and reasoned and back up all their reads with long chains of fake reasoning. Like if Jar was mafia he wouldn't blatantly sheep like that, he'd come up with his own story and then vote iraon

This is also basically why I think TM is town.

[Accountant]

Who wants to lynch Xkfyu as a joke?

Lynch evilpac as a joke plz

[Accountant]

Yeah, iraon is scum, everything about him screams fake to me. Pushing on MURDER is easy, plus I feel like he's only interested in defending himself and doesn't want to engage.

VOTE: iraonvp

[Accountant]

MURDER is null. Triv vs iraon feels a lot like early game bussing and he moved to a vote on TM once he felt he could justify it.

@TM: Friendly word of advice, drop the ego and it'll be far easier to get people to listen to you.

[Accountant]

I know youre because im mafioso.

No, but seriously, your play is townie enough.

Im seriously fuming over accountant right now ffs

Dude MURDER is so easy to justify a push on and he's acting useless enough that people will follow

[Accountant]

you realize you're basing a strong read on a 2nd page post right??

Townslip is townslip no matter what page it's on

[Accountant]

Accountant talk to me about JJD's later posts.

Not too impresed tbh but not bad enough to reverse my read on him

Can people explain why iraon is town

[Accountant]

You guys are bad at mafia

[Accountant]

iraonvp is scum and you should be ashamed of not seeing that

[Accountant]

That's a weird way of spelling MURDERCAT

Though just because someone is an easy push for hypothetical mafia doesn't mean their town

[Accountant]

What exactly is this townslip people are talking about.

Remember when JJD was sheeping you without giving reasons? That's a townslip. Mafia has an obsession with justifying everything they do and giving long lists of reasons for doing stuff. That doesn't mean that people who justify themselves excessively are mafia, but it does mean that people who don't are town. I feel like a mafia JJD would have come up with a better reason than "sheep lol" in order to look good, which is another thing mafia are obsessed with.

[Accountant]

Yeah, they're town. iraon is scum though and they're defending him which is frustrating

[Accountant]

What exactly is this townslip people are talking about.

Remember when JJD was sheeping you without giving reasons? That's a townslip. Mafia has an obsession with justifying everything they do and giving long lists of reasons for doing stuff. That doesn't mean that people who justify themselves excessively are mafia, but it does mean that people who don't are town. I feel like a mafia JJD would have come up with a better reason than "sheep lol" in order to look good, which is another thing mafia are obsessed with.

Oh. I thought people were talking about some kind of ira townslip

There was no ira townslip, that was Bacde being a snarklord

[Accountant]

Triv vs iraon feels a lot like early game bussing and he moved to a vote on TM once he felt he could justify it.

Well I wouldn't cry myself to sleep if Triv died, but right now I think I prefer to be on someone who I'm sure is scum.

[Accountant]

If ira actually townslips I might vote triv :^) Although then it wouldnt be for the association any more

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Also, JarJar gets town points for sheeping so blatantly. I've only ever done that as town. Town don't give a damn, yo.

I mean this is what I said basically

[Accountant]

I don't mind if you're uncertain on my alignment as long as you vote iraon with me

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@JaeReed: It's NAI frustration. My main concern is how that frustration seems to be calculated and presented in such a way as to paint a different picture from how reality actually is. He's acting like townies are unreasonably tunnelling him and he's helpless, whereas it's only reasonable that he be expected to explain reads on request and the point about early townreads being scummy(especially when unexplained or weakly explained) is valid.

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@iraon: That's a ridiculous case. Of course MCAT would be cheesed off if he thought scum!JJD was twisting his words to get him lynched. This is an example of what I mean when I say scum likes to justify their shit with tons of made up logic.

[Accountant]

Don't play word games. You and I both know what he meant.

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So you're nullreading iraon?

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Okay Bacde, Jae, you were right about cat being town, I'll give you that one

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ira is far from obvious town

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This whole "im scum lol" thing feels like someone pretending to be frustrated town tbh

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The backpedal is strong with this one

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I felt like TM was townie at first but now idk

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Okay Bacde, Jae, you were right about cat being town, I'll give you that one

Nice, I don't really remember saying.much about cat but I'll take credit for sure

Oh in that case you get nothing lol

[Accountant]

evilpac doesnt seem bad to me

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Xyk and Tam are still not on lmao

[Accountant]

why xyk and not tam?

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Looking at Trivium, maybe Jarjar, maybe Town Mafioso and possibly IAI as scum

these reads seem a little uncertain, do you intend to develop them through interaction? like I don't see you going out of your way to pressure or talk to these people even when you're posting right after them

[Accountant]

Cos you literally just go around making null posts

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Fair enough lol

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I'm heeeeeere.

Who we lynching?

iraonvp hopefully

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i want to see pacman's defense before I say anything

[Accountant]

"You're right, this is my scum play" Strikes me as scummy. That's a defense. "Welp lynch me" Is the same thing. Defensive scum play. Also the quote change thing seems like he's caring too much about what he's saying and how he's saying it.

This feels like it could be playstyle though, there are a lot of players who will act like this. I overall don't get a feeling of defensiveness from TM.

pacmans defense satisfies me

Out of curiosity- there seems to be an awful lot of people jumping around pointing fingers really early on- but really meaning it, not just to speed things along for clues...is this typical nowadays? It used to be a mafia warning sign...

Hey Tam, how many games have you completed on this site?

[Accountant]

To clarify about the pacman thing, I feel like the flow of his reads(initial town, doubts caused by my case) + stuff like justifying iraon's stuff as playstyle based vs scummy - this doesn't jibe with what JJD said which was that he wanted people to vote iraon but wanted to keep his hands clean. And the flow of the reads doesnt feel manufactured

[Accountant]

holy shit you're actually kinda right

Tam: Were they recent games? Cos if they were recent I don't see why you'd be asking about early game aggression

Accountant, can you shed some light on why you are so quick to jump on Iraon? You seem quite eager.

Because I think he's fucking scum and nothing he's said so far has convinced me otherwise

[Accountant]

Oh right lol I usually don't read "why I'm absent" excuses so I totally skimmed over that para

[Accountant]

Hmmm which would make sense if my being sick had anything to do with my not being here for years. But since they are completely unrelated...Wow, good one =)

Uhhh given that you put your not being here for years in the same paragraph as your woe is me thing, which I didn't read, that makes total sense

Why are you taking this so personally? Did I touch on a nerve? Something to hide maybe?

[Accountant]

Except that's not what I read. I read:

blah blah TEQUILA blah blah SICK blah blah DEADLINE blah blah CONFUSED blah blah EXPIRED

But my reading habits aren't relevant to the game so let's drop the subject, since we've clarified the issue.

I find your super aggressive playstyle kind of funny.

When you say funny do you mean "haha" funny, "weird" funny or "suspicious" funny? Why does my aggression in particular stand out as opposed to the aggression of other players in the game?

[Accountant]

Bacde where do you get that triv is pushing an ML on pac, last I saw he was accusing JJD of twisting pacs words to make him(pac) look scummy

[Accountant]

VC

A shocking look at the dark underground of mafia modding

[Accountant]

This is just a personal request but in the future can you abstain from using reaction gifs as replies

1) mobile data murders me
2) obnoxious
3) great way to look like you said something without saying anything

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Ira thoughts on Tam and pac

If you were town I wouldn't have to press you for something as simple as this

[Accountant]

When you say Triv is town who looks like scum that means Triv has done stuff that:

1) looks scummy, but
2) is actually town

Can you show me those posts ir reclarify what you mean

[Accountant]

to be fair out of those 3 town reads one of them was a bullseye

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You guys should all vote JJD because only scum misreps my "jump" onto ira, calls pacman sure scum, thinks TM is scum here, has 5 total scummy players and only 2 strong town reads, and thinks Triv, Accountant, and Iraon are the townies players in the game right now.

I'll give you that misrepping is scummy, and I also think pac and TM are town, but like why is scumreading pac and TM scummy as opposed to just wrong/bad at the game?

re: 5/2, this isn't really a scumtell. scum have incentive to townread town players, because they look good if the guy flips and if THEY flip then the townie comes under heat. i feel like scum!JJD who wants 5 townies to die would not scumread all of them, but scumread 1-2(the ones most likely to be lynched)and null or townlean the other 3 so he can decide what he wants to do with them later. this feels like town parnaoia more than anything

again with the triv/accountant/iraon thing, you have to explain why it's actually scummy of him to read them that way rather than just being bad at reading people

[Accountant]

triv talking about how TM's posts are bad in #305, I don't agree that he's scum but my townread on him is less strong than before

[Accountant]

Ira thoughts on Tam and pac

If you were town I wouldn't have to press you for something as simple as this

do you really think that ignoring things that should be relevant to him is a scum tell?
I would normally assume lazy town. Not many scum players are gonna get talked about that much and not feel obligated to say something imo

What I mean is tam and pac came into the fame and ira didnt feel the need to comment on them. Which is significant, because scum dont like to take strong stances on people in the spotlight and both tam and pac were. On the other hand town has every reason to chip in and make their voice heard

[Accountant]

Wouldn't it have been beneficial to give it more time after the site crash to seebif that accusation held up? I can't take your point seriously cuz there was basically no time for ira to make those comments. If he'd posted significant content since we've been back then, sure, make that accusation, but he really hasn't.

Not really getting why he has time to shit around and defend himself from something I said 5 pages ago but doesn't want to address the main issues but ok

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It looks the same to me.

I read it as "i'm not seeing jack from ira" vs "im not seei g anything that isn't null/NAI from ira"

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Don't engage with iraon, he knows he's caught and is jamming up the thread with pages of evasive bs and accusing everyone who jumps on him.

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I dunno maybe he wasn't quite dodging or anything like that... I think that was just an inability to answer the question because of miscommunication.

You sound a lot like you're scum unsure whether to bus or save your partner right now dude

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Notice how by abusing obfuscating stupidity ira has completely managed to avoid giving any opinions on the re-read/catch-up he is supposedly doing.

Because it's clear WIFOM. If that was the case, then it wouldn't look town-aligned. Then if that was the case, it would look town-aligned. And so on. It's really simple to understand, if you were town-aligned and not just pretending to be stubborn you would've gotten it by now. JaeReed I don't have such expectations of now.

HOW THE FUCK IS THIS WIFOM DUDE

Even in that case people would just say both town and mafia give reasoning so its null. This is absolutely terrible reasoning. Why do you not expect jae to understand but murdercat has to understand your shoddy reasoning or else hes scum??

[Accountant]

No, I answered every question I can. It's just that MURDERCAT pretends like I didn't answer the question and asks it again, to create the illusion that I am being evasive.

Except jae also thinks the same. Is jae also mafia contributing to the illusion? Holy shit your arguments are downright absurd

[Accountant]

You never even explicitly agreed with what Accountant said, you're just trying to make me look bad and defend Accountant because I accused both of you and you know I will react poorly to pressure. It's so obvious that those questions were set up to try and draw to this conclusion.

Hue hue hue poor me i react poorly to pressure, if you see me do anything bad its because of this and totally not because im scum hue hue hue

[Accountant]

Yes, it is null, that's what I said so many times already!

then if you know giving reasoning is a standard and ordinary thing to do then it only makes sense that not giving reasoning is a pretty strong clue about someones alignment yeah?

[Accountant]

At this point I frankly wouldnt be surprised if ira tried to pusb a theory about this being secretly a bastard game and jae is the mafia IC. It wouldn't be any sillier than his other theories tbh

Oh god im doing the thing I said not to do, gonna pop out now before he drags me into a 50 page gandalf wall of re-read blocking

[Accountant]

How would you expect scum to react to the back and forth with Ira if Ira was indeed town? Because if I had to point a finger at anything to describe it it'd be what Trivium posted around that time.

"Hey guys, I'll be busy for the next day so I won't be around to post much. [insert previously established strong read] is still town/scum." then sit back and watch ira dig his own grave

[Accountant]

I don't have many town-aligned reads yet.

Man I have too many. Even MC is looking better to me lately.

I dont like this wagon. I think scum might just be in the inactives.

If I had a scum buddy like iraon I would be inactive too

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How would you expect scum to react to the back and forth with Ira if Ira was indeed town? Because if I had to point a finger at anything to describe it it'd be what Trivium posted around that time.

"Hey guys, I'll be busy for the next day so I won't be around to post much. [insert previously established strong read] is still town/scum." then sit back and watch ira dig his own grave

See, look! MURDERCAT probably told Accountant in the mafia chat that if I was accused that I would dig my own grave, how would Accountant know that I usually get mislynched otherwise?

rofl

[Accountant]

Mafia is confirmed to have daytalk Triv

[Accountant]

I would like everyone who hasn't posted recently (

JarJarDrinks

,

evilpacman18

,

Town Mafioso

,

Xkfyu

,

I Am Innocent

,

Tam

) to give a firm stance on whether iraonvp looks townier or scummier due to this interaction.

and bacde too

[Accountant]

i'd like him to say it outright so he can't change his mind later on and say thats what he thought all along

[Accountant]

how wrong you are

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Because bacde has a hard on for lynching lurkers and IaI is a filthy lurker

[Accountant]

I would like everyone who hasn't posted recently (

JarJarDrinks

,

evilpacman18

,

Town Mafioso

,

Xkfyu

,

I Am Innocent

,

Tam

) to give a firm stance on whether iraonvp looks townier or scummier due to this interaction.

interaction is NAI. I'm still leaning town.

NAI??? Are you serious? Explain?

[Accountant]

Going to be unimpressed with y'all if we don't lynch scumlord ira today

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If we start from the assumption that ira is town then pushing IaI is by far the best move, but I don't agree with that assumption.

Bacde: remind me your read on triv is what?

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ira claimed scum.

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I guess my response to that post would be... I scumread mafioso so I'd be down with lynching him. IaI is also a good policy lynch.

I'm okay with lynching this

[Accountant]

Xykfyu is definitely a townread of mine but I don't see him as obvtown. Trivium is my second best lynch after ira. Not going to move my vote off ira unless/until Triv goes to L-1.

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Good luck town

LOL way to screw over whoever comes into this slot

are you subtly implying this is a scumtell and if so why

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ira are you literally just scumreading whoever pushes you because that is lazy scum play and you should be ashamed

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It's the truth tho ira

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Notice how hes not denying that its the truth

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as a general rule I'm not interested in engaging with someone who is confirmed scum in my eyes, all I'll get is BS

[Accountant]

You're accusing the IC of twisting words and semantic distractions?

[Accountant]

Well he has to try or else he'd have to admit that the people pushing him have a legitimate point

[Accountant]

So is Jae twisting words and abusing semantics or is he making broad statements and being vague

[Accountant]

So you think he's doing both???

[Accountant]

What's the significance of that? I mean I get what Xykfyu is trying to do but why does it matter if ira ignored the reachout or not

[Accountant]

It's not like we post restricted you lol

[Accountant]

Please lynch ira, he is far more scummy than triv.

[Accountant]

Did you not see the part where he was being evasive
And then when he was throwing shade onto everyone who scumread him
And when he was trying so hard to act natural and it came off as so incredibly fake

[Accountant]

If he was scum I think he would have been trying to say things to get pressure off him, not fight back. I need to meta read that though to be sure.

Dude he is trying to get pressure off him he tries to make anyone who scumreads him look manipulative, deceptive or misguided by throwing various quantities of shade at them

[Accountant]

@Impoetic who is your top scumread and why is it ira

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Maybe I have tunnel blinders on ye

Gonna take some time to re-read the game with a hopefully unbiased eye

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I kinda buy Triv's pity party but at the same time I'm tempted to lynch him for being useless but he did seem to work with bacde so I guess not??

I just finished my re-read, Triv looks better/more sincere when I read his early posts, ira looks not as confirmed scum as I thought but still a scumlord.

[Accountant]

Trivium: agree that ira is scum but bacde-tam team is laughable, sorry. You are tunnelling super hard atm off a shaky preflip associative

After reading everything I still feel an ira lynch is the best option. Compare ira's flailing and triv's flailing and it looks clear to me the former is scum and the latter is town imo

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Then who is scum, Jae?

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Tam is one of the people which I find super hard to read due to the way she writes her posts so I am not sure on her. I still think TM/Sonrio is town tho so I might end up voting her my process of elimination

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yeah accountant's not getting lynched today for posts like that ^

I can't tell if this is genuine "yeah, with posts like that, I don't want to lynch accountant" or sarcastic "I can't believe accountant isnt getting lynched today with posts like that"

[Accountant]

Triv's subout is NAI becausr he did it due to going on a trip and I highly doubt he planned a 14 day trip just to throw suspicion off a slot he no longer occupies

[Accountant]

Lynch preference in order Ira > Tam > Triv

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Not even sure I'll be catching up. I'm not making any pushes day 1. I'll skim some ISOs though

What the heck does this mean

[Accountant]

So just to be clear

- you wont be reading the game
- you wont be pushing a lynch on anyone

Is that what you meant??

[Accountant]

What do you think about iraonvp?

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Oh god you were reading the entire game through ISOs I forgot for a moment because that is such a ridiculous and silly way to catch up

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robb you and I operate on such different wavelengths that it's gonna be super hard to work with you

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Bacde let's make a deal I'll vote Tam and in return we kill ira stone dead on day 2

[Accountant]

I do mind if we don't lynch you

Like, I know you're scum so as long as you get lynched eventually I am happy and if I have to participate in a compromise lynch(not rly tho since Tam is 2nd on my to-die list) to get shit done then I'm willing to do it

[Accountant]

>"i might end up voting her by process of elimination"
>ends up almost voting her by process of elimination

Seems pretty legit to me

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Son I literally said I thought that triv's pity party made me feel like he's town

Are you such a desperate scum that you have to rely on making strawmen to avoid looking like the disingenuous scumlord you are

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robby Tam is a she i think

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I bet you if I hadn't made this post that would lampshade it, Tam would have come back and immediately responded to bacde, playing that up as the meat of the BW rather than the weak link it is. I mean, Bacde's a good player, but he's refusing to explain his point of view thoroughly and is someone that can be targeted easily as a means of avoidance/misrepping

Bacde is obvtown enough and a good enough player that I don't feel he is lynchbait for mafia

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Son I literally said I thought that triv's pity party made me feel like he's town

Are you such a desperate scum that you have to rely on making strawmen to avoid looking like the disingenuous scumlord you are

You are implying it, but still avoiding explicitly saying that you have town-aligned reads on everyone except me and Tam, because you're scum-aligned and lying about it.

I mean if you and Tam are mafia and I townread everyone else then I'm correct in every one of those reads except one

[Accountant]

Official accountant reads list (no backsies)

Town-aligned: MURDERCAT, JaeReed, Bacde, JarJarDrinks, evilpacman18, Sonrio, Xkfyu, Impoetic
Null-aligned: Tam
Scum-aligned: iraonavp

[Accountant]

xy hasn't posted that much but I don't see anything scummy in what he posted

pac's defense of himself was good and I don't see anything scummy in what he posted either

to be perfectly honest I feel like xy and pac are peripherial figures at best in this game

[Accountant]

xy hasn't posted that much but I don't see anything scummy in what he posted

pac's defense of himself was good and I don't see anything scummy in what he posted either

to be perfectly honest I feel like xy and pac are peripherial figures at best in this game

Right and it's those peripheral players that are more likely to turn up scum. Blending in the shadows and
What not. Being able to defend yourself well
Doesn't = town. I'm able to defend myself when I'm scum

I mean that he effectievly negated the major arguments raised against him earlier

I don't think pac and xy are blending in the shadows, by peripheral I mean they aren't the sort of players that people listen to(sorry guys, no offense) and who can single handedly push a lynch forward just with their presence

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The reality is that his read on Tam is fake and he didn't have any reasons to call Tam scum-aligned, the only option he has left is to pretend like it was still a null-aligned read and jump through my hoops.

like can u explain why my read on tam is fake

i null read tam but I'm willing to lynch her because I don't really wanna lynch ayone else atm and someone has to be your buddy

[Accountant]

Your read on Tam is fake because you voted her even though you claimed a null-aligned read on her, then rather than you pretended as if you actually thought everyone else was town-aligned and you were voting based on process of elimination. Clearly that is fake

Whats so fake about this chain of thought

Surely I can't be the only one here whose voted for a nullread based on PoE before

Are you just pulling shit out of your ass at

Why do you care about my explanation if you think I'm scum-aligned? Because you actually know that I'm town-aligned...

Well if you made a shitty case like you actually ended up doing I wanted to make fun of it so everyone would see you're a scumlord and lynch you lmao

[Accountant]

Scumtell? Maybe not. Nobody would lynch him for that but it factors into his credibility. He's not a trustworthy person so it makes it harder to trust him cause if he'd lie about something meaningless like that, what else would he lie about?

hahahahaha no this logic is bad

[Accountant]

Like do you really think pac is a compulsive liar who decided to randomly lie about his meta and will continue on his lying rampage unless someone stops him

Either he's scum lying to make hinself look a certain way and slipped up or he's town and misphrased ir we misunderstood his meaning.

[Accountant]

can i pull the new player card too or are you guys just HOMOPHOBIC

I'm strongly townreading your slot, which is why I disagree with xyk about lynching you and I would far rather lynch tam before you

Please don't prove me wrong

[Accountant]

It's funny because I'm not mean or old

I mean I have less than 2 years here and I'm 16 irl

[Accountant]

We still have time to change our minds and lynch ira

Every vote counts, show your support

#iraonvp2016

[Accountant]

in reading up, I'm starting to find the ira lynch a decent idea

praise the lord

[Accountant]

Accountant you have a problem with Tam lynch?

yes; it's not ira

[Accountant]

But like I said tam is the next best lynch so if y'all want to dick around instead of lynching 99% confirmed scum then I guess that works too

[Accountant]

normally I would agree but I've seen townies say the same shit 3-4 times in other games and they were never scum so it's NAI for me

[Accountant]

normally I would agree but I've seen townies say the same shit 3-4 times in other games and they were never scum so it's NAI for me

If they were always town, wouldn't that suggest that it is town-indicative, instead of NAI?

No. Too easy to fake to be a real towntell + 4 games is a small sample size

Don't lymch pacman, he's a terrible lynch for day 1 at leaat

[Accountant]

if I could decide who I thought we should lynch that easily I would just be accountant with a different icon and less power over the English language

LOL

[Accountant]

I haven't really bothered looking at jarjar since I townread him early on for sheeping someone(cant remember who) so I'm gonna take another look at his iso to make sure I'm not being played

[Accountant]

If we can't lynch ira(;_;) I'm fine with a Tam lynch.

[Accountant]

Finished my JarJar ISO. He's town.

[Accountant]

Impoetic I am not willing to lynch JarJar unless you have a case more significant than one post that isn't even scummy

[Accountant]

in reading up, I'm starting to find the ira lynch a decent idea

I'd like to hear people's thoughts (those who haven't given them yet) on the Tam lynch.

Well, I think Tam is slightly town-aligned by play and counterwagon to MURDERCAT and Accountant, who are scum-aligned for sure.

To have a counterwagon you must first have a wagon

Like holy shit it pisses me off that you're not going to be our lynch for today

[Accountant]

MURDERCAT make a case on Xk other than "vibes"

VOTE: Tam

[Accountant]

Nope

[Accountant]

He's saying that Tam has not posted for 2 days so she's unlikely to give a claim anyways and like I'm kinda okay with lynching Tam right here right now

dunno about the pacman defense, I feel ppl are blowing it out of proportion

[Accountant]

i don't see it sorry

tam or ira only lynches im willing to support today ive changed my mind on triv

[Accountant]

Booo accountant boooo

Trust me on this, my vibes don't lie.

sorry dude, I wanna work w/ you but I truly don't see it

[Accountant]

Tam is the one person we can all agree to lynch, so it's better to consolidate on her rather than have 3 one-vote wagons on 3 different people

[Accountant]

Not feeling Tam due to interactions around the wagon, JR talk to me here, you feel my vibes right?

elaborate on this

this is interesting

[Accountant]

@Tam: I could give all sorts of reasons why I'm voting you, like how your reads are bland and fake looking or how your posts and outrage/confusion over getting wagoned seem artificial

but in the end if I were to be frank it's mostly just gut + trust in the guts of people I townread

[Accountant]

day 1 scum wagon usually isn't smooth because scum do their best to derail it but ira is doing his best to derail it and he's failed because nobody listens to him

[Accountant]

I'm not going to read ira as anything but scum unless a cop claims and says he's town

[Accountant]

What

I literally just said those weren't my real reasons, they look good on paper but when I slapped my vote down earlier I was thinking two things

1) "fuck me they arent gonna lynch ira"
2) "well tam is the next best thing"

[Accountant]

On a side note- When did it become okay for players not to read the game? I think it's ridiculous to have to figure out if these guys are really confused because they didn't SEE my prior posts and are judging me on 4 or 5 pages out of 40, or if they are scum and doing it on purpose.

Tam is right about this at least, plz don't replace in if you aren't willing to read shit

[Accountant]

I

could

give you those reasons, but I won't. Because that would be lying to you.

I don't need reasons to lynch scummy people.

[Accountant]

I don't think Tam is null any more, she's scum. #1159 is not a townie who's frustrated about getting mislynched for no good reason.

[Accountant]

LOL okay...and why is that? Because I challenged your extremely misleading post?

i only give reasons to people who aren't scum sorry

(Who else read it the way I did the first time?)

noone lol

[Accountant]

murder you're town but your reads are wrong

[Accountant]

the difference is that last game you were right and this game you were wrong

sorry I hate to do the thing where I pump up my ego and have a pissing contest about reads but I have to call it like I see it

[Accountant]

oh yeah? well my ego is the size of uranus

get it

it's a butt joke

but seriously though xyk probably isn't getting lynched today so just sheep me and when tam flips scum you can apologize to everyone on the wagon for doubting us

[Accountant]

day 1 scum wagon usually isn't smooth because scum do their best to derail it but ira is doing his best to derail it and he's failed because nobody listens to him

No, MURDERCAT is derailing it because of realization that it will look bad after Tam flips town-aligned.

He is deliberately trying to stop lynching Tam not because he is afraid Tam will flip town-aligned, but because he wants to make others on the wagon look bad. You can see that is the focus of his posts.

You are right on one part, though. Nobody listens to me...

by that logic you should lynch tam so she'll flip and prove murdercat to be the scumlord you say he is amiright

[Accountant]

you'd lynch those three over tam? you're a nutter m8

[Accountant]

what if you're the wrong one? will you give me a "you told me so" and a sad face?

[Accountant]

no he's fucking not dude, ira is so goddamn scummy how am I the only one who sees this wtf

[Accountant]

I know Jae is confirmed and MC is all but confirmed but I'm going to say outright that I disagree w/ all your scumreads and I'm not down to lynch any of them unless it's literally the only way to avoid a no lynch. ira or tam are the only two people I'm voting today sorry

MC would you be okay with lynching tam as compromise? I know you townread ira strongly

[Accountant]

Like I know you don't like her wagon but plz work with me here I think you are going down the wrong path. would you at least be "ok" with the idea of her getting lynched today

[Accountant]

Read post #1161 plz

At least put effort into playing scum

[Accountant]

Can we all agree to pretend ira doesn't exist until we lynch his scummy ass

[Accountant]

Jae I know you're sheeping mcat but what are your thoughts on a Tam compromise

[Accountant]

Hey mcat and jae could you guys tell me whether you're willing to work with me on the tam lynch

[Accountant]

Disappointing news, but alright. Let's talk about Day 2. Would you be okay with a Tam lynch if Xkfyu is lynched and flips town? What about pac? I assume at this point you'd never be okay with an ira lynch.

[Accountant]

Those of you not voting, or are the only one voting someone, it's time to pick a side. Either vote for either me or Tam, or start making a case for someone else.

this implies that no other cases have been made for other candidates - that someone who wanted to lynch, say, JJD or pac would have to make a case for them. but cases have already been made, and it's a reasonable(though wrong) option to sheep the cases on them.

like, it's simply false to imply that anyone who doesn't want to vote you/tam has to make their own case

[Accountant]

I know Jae is confirmed and MC is all but confirmed but I'm going to say outright that I disagree w/ all your scumreads and I'm not down to lynch any of them unless it's literally the only way to avoid a no lynch. ira or tam are the only two people I'm voting today sorry

MC would you be okay with lynching tam as compromise? I know you townread ira strongly

Only deadline no lynch avoidance sorry. The wagon is just not right, like JR said.

you do realize if tam/ira turns out to be scum I am going to force you to commit seppuku in postgame right

I'm just saying

If we can't come to a compromise though I'd rather stick with you guys than split the town vote. out of pac/xyk I'd rather lynch pac, so can we at

least

switch to that

[Accountant]

Hey, ira, you've got a friend.

[Accountant]

since when did I push on pac

[Accountant]

*slandering intensifies*

[Accountant]

honestly tho I don't think anyone is going to change their minds about who to lynch here so let's just wait for the new dude to catch up, state his thoughts and then we try to get a lynch target that isn't absolute shite

[Accountant]

Blah blah blah

JJD looks better than sonrio now. I think it's VERY interesting that I'm trying to get a lynch going on Xk with some other suspicion on pacman and the wagon on pacman took off but the wagon on Xk didn't. Xk has a BLATANTLY fake read on that slot imo and is very likely scum.

it's because xk is town my man

[Accountant]

@Impoetic and Sonrio:

Are you guys Masons?

why the hell would you ask this qn

[Accountant]

Why is mcat scum

[Accountant]

I am scum with murder and accountant as my partners

You basically are...

I see nothing wrong with Sonrio's post.

Just call me nostradamus

[Accountant]

Srsly tho the masons/conspiracy theory thing was BS and dumb, I'm happy to see Tam put on the wagon again, let's kill her.

PS: impoetic is obvtown

[Accountant]

Srsly tho the masons/conspiracy theory thing was BS and dumb, I'm happy to see Tam put on the wagon again, let's kill her.

PS: impoetic is obvtown

I agree with all but Tam.

Also note how xk had the conspiracy theory and mostly was pushing impo rather than son? Would be nice to clear a partner while getting a mislynch yeah?

yeah after that BS I'm not sure whether I'd lynch pac over xk at this point

but at this point I'm just tired of this day and I feel we aren't going to do anything constructive.

[Accountant]

You are clearly trying to make me look bad. Blatantly...

almost as though he wants to lynch you and wants to convince other people to lynch you

but seriously though this is copyright infringement, slander arguments are reserved for iraonvp to make

[Accountant]

Also, please explain 'slander arguments'? What do you mean? Like you slandering me and others i guess, all game long?

(Seriously though- what do you mean?)

whenever somone says you're bad you accuse them of slandering you and trying to make you look bad on purpose

that's what a slander argument is

the joke is that ira does it so much he has a copyright on it

[Accountant]

out of XK/sonrio/sonia I prefer to lynch sonia

[Accountant]

pac is better than all three, tam is better than pac

[Accountant]

mc is obvtown

[Accountant]

I don't think I understand why there's 1 mafia in me and sonrio if you think it's Sonrio, since it was really me that created the link between us this game with my early TR on him. I do get what you're saying about him in terms of not really doing any scumhunting on the surface, though, and maybe he isn't just a lazy townplayer. It saddens me that I can't read him after all haha.

this post is very lazy

i mean this is a good way to avoid ever having to take a stance on sonrio

[Accountant]

Meh, maybe bacde. Pac is bestest.

I hope this doesn't refer to a bacde lynch as opposed to bacde's suggestion for the lynch

[Accountant]

The last page was extremely cancerous, please stop

[Accountant]

I mean your back and forth is distracting and pointless and makes my head ache and it's 2AM

Please put this day phase out of its misery

[Accountant]

truly a paragon of scumhunting

[Accountant]

Lynch the scumlord

If she was PR she woulda claimed earlier

[Accountant]

I agree with the Tam/JJD idea(Bacde wasn't killed because he was townread, IC is a far better choice is mafia is thinking in that direction). Jae don't engage with ira, we disagree about his align but we can agree that stuff like "Sonia was claiming scum by hoping for a PR hammer" isn't worth listening to.

VOTE: Tam

[Accountant]

Sonia was a vig shot and not SK because it makes no sense for the SK to target her, she didn't have strong or convincing reads, didn't PR-tell and wasn't widely townread.

[Accountant]

VOTE: jaereed mafia, imo

plz stop trolling

[Accountant]

guys Bacde posted "get tam" like 50 times in a row and copypasted it twice and he died the next night

[Accountant]

if you look at bacde's ISO he's okay with lynching JJD but he clearly wants Tam more

[Accountant]

He was like "if you guys are ok with lynching jjd for the lulz I'd be down" but for Tam he was like "Tam is objectively scummy" and "we have to lynch tam"

if we assume he was kiled based off reads tam makes 10x more sense

[Accountant]

Both of you stop your nonsense only valid votes are JJD or Tam unless someone scum claims tyvm

[Accountant]

it's possible he changed his mind after seeing the night flips

[Accountant]

If Sonia was shot by a vig, there is only ONE legitimate reason that I can think of that Sonia was shot over Tam.

Whoever shot Sonia needs to claim immediately, and give your reasons. Otherwise, I'm going to assume it was a SK shot.

Highly unlikely that it's SK

1) setup claims there are 9 town and 3 mafia roles, exactly. As there were 12 players at the start, this leaves no room for an SK.

2) 3 mafia + 1 sk + 8 town is horribly unbalanced

3) sonia is not a good shot for an SK. she wasn't townread, nor did she have strong or convincing reads. There's honestly no reason to shoot sonia over an obvious target like jaereed or MCAT.

[Accountant]

so we have jae and impoetic as conftown. vig can claim for a fourth conftown, jjd is semi-confirmed.

I should take this opportunity to point out that if jjd's claim is real we would have follower, innocent child, vig and gunsmith in the same game, which is a pretty heavy list. I highly doubt there's a 5th power role, so if someone else that is not the vig claims, it should be treated as acounterclaim to jjd; hence, if there's someone who is a power role but isn't vig and is still unclaimed, they should claim now and we can lynch jjd.

[Accountant]

I'm choosing to believe JJD's claim unless there's a CC.

in which case we have jae, impoetic, jjd as conftown. let's say vig doesn't claim.

possible mafia:

{MURDERCAT, Accountant, sonrio, xkfyu, ira, tam}

I believe ira and tam are mafia, so that means the last guy is sonrio/xk (I'm going to go ahead and assume MCAT is town because he is) personally I'd say sonrio over xk, but we can ponder that after we execute tam and ira.

let's go

[Accountant]

btw a jjd fakeclaim doesn't really make sense here, that's why I'm assuuming he's town.

if jjd is scum he knows that IC, follower and vig still exist, so he knows if there's a fourth PR that PR can counterclaim him by virtue of "there's no way a normal game has 5 PRs lmao" so it makes no sense to claim, especially this early, especially as its by no means confirmed at the time that tam wasn't going to die.

regardless of jjd's alignment I'm also treating impoetic as conftown. I have a strong townread on her(2nd place next to my read on murder) + there's no way in 13 hells a scum!jjd who just claimed that would say his scumbuddy was gun-free. the only way she's scum is if JJD is also scum and has also been possessed by a cthulhian god of madness, OR she's scum doctor, which I highly doubt given the unpopularity of scum doctor as a role, and the sketchiness of giving scum a PR that counters vig in a 9-3 setup, and my previous townread of her

[Accountant]

I don't want to pull a triv and say I solved the game, but I kind of did

[Accountant]

What are the assumptions xk?

[Accountant]

A two shot vig who suspects mafia roleblocker might not claim, but that's the only situations where a vig wouldn't claim today.

[Accountant]

I dont buy vig!tam

[Accountant]

Why not, Accountant?

Call it gut. I thought she was mafia from day 1 and nothing she has done has changed that