Mini Normal 1809: Game Over

[Elyse]

So Egg who would you lynch instead

[Egg]

Probably still Masq, but Cmit would be my second choice.

[Hoopla]

MASQUERADE, YOU NEED TO CLAIM WHO YOUR KILL CHOICE WAS RIGHT NOW

[Hoopla]

if you still have your kill, it's absolutely essentially you shoot someone tonight to put us back in odd-numbers tomorrow so we don't have to no-lynch.

this better be a true claim.

[Hoopla]

UNVOTE:

for now.

please hurry up masquerade.

[Grendel]

I don't believe their claim.

To elaborate, I never believe vigilante claims unless the vigilante has a kill they can name off as their own. Mask doesn't have a nk he can claim as his own. Therefore I don't believe Mask.

Way to easy for scum to claim their kill is a vig kill, and that a protective role must have stopped the scum fractional kill. Or even, "the scum must have withheld their nk to frame me". Just too much wine for my taste.

Probably still Masq, but Cmit would be my second choice.

I'm going to forgo a Cmitc1 lynch for a Mask lynch.

VOTE: Masquerade

That's one less on the Cmitc1 wagon Egg.

[Hoopla]

Grendel, if Masquerade is a vig and still has a shot, this is a CONFIRMABLE role with a second kill tonight. Scum probably won't have a roleblocker this game, as a blocking role has already flipped town, so we absolutely should see another kill tonight if Masq is truthful. If no extra kill happens tonight, sure, we lynch him tomorrow (or if he claims he shot last night, we can lynch him today).

Masquerade is a pointless lynch today, when it's highly likely we'll know his alignment tomorrow.

[Grendel]

Wouldn't scum have a role blocker since town had a jailkeeper? Maybe I'm used to different setups, but having a jail keeper makes mafia role blocker a confirmed role in the game right?

Assuming Mask is a vig, and scum has a role blocker then Mask is not confirmable.

I'm still inclined to think he is scum anyways tho.

[Hoopla]

Wouldn't scum have a role blocker since town had a jailkeeper? Maybe I'm used to different setups, but having a jail keeper makes mafia role blocker a confirmed role in the game right?

Assuming Mask is a vig, and scum has a role blocker then Mask is not confirmable.

I'm still inclined to think he is scum anyways tho.

Because having two blocking roles in one setup opens the door to paradoxes and messier night interactions, as such, mods tend to avoid doing it. I just did a quick scan of 13p Mini Normals with Jailkeepers. There were 30 games with a town jailkeeper and only four of those had scum RB's too, so I think it's highly likely that Masq will get a shot off tonight if he indeed has one.

If you think he is scum, fine, but lets lynch him tomorrow after he's had a chance to confirm himself tonight. Massclaim tomorrow might also narrow the game down enough to be able to tell whether his claim fits in the possible setup.

[Elyse]

Nah it's probably more unlikely because two roleblockers gets messy.

I think Masq is lying but I'd feel reaaaaaaly dumb lynching him if he flipped town. I'd like to hear who he shot but as of now I still want to lynch him.

P-edit: Hoopla who would you want to lynch today

[Hoopla]

My backup choice is probably Egg. This is pretty much a process-of-elimination choice. He's been flying under the radar and hasn't had much suspicion leveled his way -- it's a pretty standard model of scum behaviour early. Just doing enough to tick the boxes, but hasn't done anything meaningful.

Most others I've had some sort of town read on at some point in the game. And I think others may feel similarly about Egg, so he's a realistic lynch. If that doesn't go through, I'd probably *sigh* lynch cmitc1, since he has enough support and probably has at least a random chance of being scum (+ getting rid of him before lylo would be good). We're pretty close to deadline (again), so I think these are the only two options, barring some flash wagon elsewhere.

[Hoopla]

I'll get the ball rolling.

VOTE: Egg

[Elyse]

I'd rather lynch cmit. I'm townreading Egg.

[Hoopla]

Why are you townreading him?

[Grendel]

Wouldn't scum have a role blocker since town had a jailkeeper? Maybe I'm used to different setups, but having a jail keeper makes mafia role blocker a confirmed role in the game right?

Assuming Mask is a vig, and scum has a role blocker then Mask is not confirmable.

I'm still inclined to think he is scum anyways tho.

Because having two blocking roles in one setup opens the door to paradoxes and messier night interactions, as such, mods tend to avoid doing it. I just did a quick scan of 13p Mini Normals with Jailkeepers. There were 30 games with a town jailkeeper and only four of those had scum RB's too, so I think it's highly likely that Masq will get a shot off tonight if he indeed has one.

If you think he is scum, fine, but lets lynch him tomorrow after he's had a chance to confirm himself tonight. Massclaim tomorrow might also narrow the game down enough to be able to tell whether his claim fits in the possible setup.

Oh, I thought that maf role blockers took presence over town role blockers. I guess you're right then, waiting until tomorrow might be best.

I'll go back to my other scum read.

VOTE: Cmitc1

[BBmolla]

can we just lynch masquerade

[BBmolla]

why would there be a fucking 1-shot vig in this game

[Hoopla]

why would there be a fucking 1-shot vig in this game

because they're a relatively common role?

worse case scenario, we lynch him tomorrow when he doesn't deliver.

[Hoopla]

bbmolla, who do you want to lynch instead?

[BBmolla]

myself so I can vengekill him

[Hoopla]

sigh

[Egg]

why would there be a fucking 1-shot vig in this game

Why wouldn't there?

[Hoopla]

why would there be a fucking 1-shot vig in this game

Why wouldn't there?

Why would you doubt molla's confidence about the lack of vig, when your stance on Masq is this:

Probably still Masq, but Cmit would be my second choice.

When you say

that

^ the view you're implicitly espousing is you don't believe the vig claim, yet you're questioning why molla doesn't believe the claim?

This sort of fencesitty wishy-washy under the radar posting is exactly what I was talking about with regards to Egg. On the surface, it looks like he's chiming in and offering content and questions, but he's just asking them to fit in and say the right things, not because he's genuinely curious or trying to solve/progress the game.

Lynch the Egg everyone.

[Masquerade]

Sorry for being this inactive, the heat here is incapacitating.
I really

really

don't want to say whether I shot N1 or didn't. If I am still alive tomorrow, I'll explain why. I have good reason and you can either trust me or go ahead and lynch me.

[Hoopla]

No.

If you are town and have used your shot on N1, and you don't tell us NOW, you get lynched tomorrow no matter what. There is no downside to telling us if you have a shot left.