So tell me what you think.In post 5423, Transcend wrote:I think it's very dumb and risky to make solid inferences like that.
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Dunnstral, you're gonna need to actually explicitly claim full vig. The bullshit isn't doing you any good anymore.
Here's the plan. We direct the vig and the jailkeeper.Both Almost50 and Dunnstral need to claim their shots before the night phase hits.They will of course need to be on separate people. The doctor protects Almost50, because the jailkeep is extremely valuable with only one mafia member remaining.
Every night that someone other than Dunnstral's target dies, we get a clear based on who A50 roleblocked, assuming there's only one mafia left, which I think is somewhat safe - I don't think the amount of town power claimed justifies a 5-man scumteam with at least 3 power roles in a 19-player game.
There's two versions of this plan: with or without massclaim. If we massclaim the upside is obviously more clarity; the downside is that we'll out the doctor, which means that we'll essentially have two guaranteed nights of this plan occurring, as mafia will have to kill the doctor and then varsoon. Massclaiming isprobablybetter.
But the important thing is that we play this game very rigorously at this point. We have tons of town power still alive (even if A50 is scum, he'll be severely limited in his night actions) and so many mislynches. I really just want to play it safe since we have that option and eliminate even the smallest chance of letting this win slip away.-
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The setup from a somewhat recent 19-player large normal (2015, NY 189):
Mason x 3, 2-shot vig, gunsmith, flower vendor (fruit vendor with a different name)
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3x goon, 1x doctor
with the rest as vanilla townies
this scumteam has more power and this town has a bit more power so i think this is a pretty good point of comparison.-
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a fruit vendor sends someone fruit every night and that person is informed that they received fruit. So essentially they can confirm their existence in the game.
Next most recent similarly sized singleball game I could find is NY183. 18 players, 3 mafia + traitor vs 14 town.
Mafia had traitor + encryptor + roleblocker + 2-shot rolecop
town had tracker + doctor + 2-shot friendly neighbor + a pretty strong joat (doc/vig/cop)-
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Like I honestly cannot imagine a 5:14 game being balanced without really ridiculous amounts of town power. I guess I could imagine something like 4+traitor:14 being balanced but then the jailkeeper being strong thing is still relevant because normal traitors on mafiascum can't be converted to full mafia.-
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Assuming there is a town nurse and that every other townie is a VT and that the last scum is a goon (and assuming that dunnstral is just being obtuse), the setup would be:
Town: Jailkeeper, Vig, Doctor, Nurse, Backup nurse, 2-shot Motion Detector, Odd-night Cop, 2x Macho townie, 6x VT
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