Newbie 1723 - Game Over!

[Ircher]

Day 2 VC #4

Vecna (0) -
e_is_cool (2) - Harry, Parabola
Harry (0) -
Skold (0) -
Loop (1) - Vecna
Parabola (2) - Skold, Nacho
Nacho (0) -
Not Voting (2) - e_is_cool, Loop

Lynch Threshold

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch!

Deadline

Day 1 ends on August 2, 2016 5:30 PM EST DST+1 or in (expired on 2016-08-02 17:30:00).

Mod Notes

Mod is V/LA until 7/29.

I will probably be around, but not for a very long time during that period. Please address SirCakez if any issues arise during that time.

Prodding ErrantParabola (3d 23h) and e_is_cool (3d 15h). They have (expired on 2016-07-25 14:38:08) to respond.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm not going to post any real content today.
If I don't get my shit together by tomorrow, I'll replace out.

[Loopdan]

Scum reads (in no particular order):
e_is_cool
parabola
Nacho

Town reads (in no particular order):
Skold
Vecna
Harry

[Loopdan]

@Vecna

Thoughts on e?
E's D1 posts:

he played out a 'come lynch me tomorrow' plan.
Where is his survival strategy as scum for D2?

These WIFOM factors weaken my scum read of e.

Do you mind explaining the bolted part to me?

[Loopdan]

Bolded*

[Vecna]

Scum reads (in no particular order):
e_is_cool
parabola
Nacho

Town reads (in no particular order):
Skold
Vecna
Harry

Do you mind at least giving us some arguments for coming to the exact same reads as me and some others have been having? Not that I disagree with them, but your playstyle so far just does absolutely nothing for us to be able to distinguish between a town or scum player.

[Vecna]

UNVOTE: Loopdan

The urge to put either E or parabola on L-1 right now is really really big, but I guess getting two replacements might be a lot better for town and the game in general.

[Dirty Harry2]

@Vecna

Thoughts on e?
E's D1 posts:

he played out a 'come lynch me tomorrow' plan.
Where is his survival strategy as scum for D2?

These WIFOM factors weaken my scum read of e.

Do you mind explaining the bolted part to me?

e has lined himself up for pressure today:

- tunnel on miss-lynch newearth
- OMGUS vote
- narrow focus
- expressing easy town read
- over defensive
- disappearance at EoD
- beetlejuices in when voted
- not following up with D2 suspicions
- D2 low activity

Where is his exit strategy?
No 'surface-level town' posts.
Does not scum-e want to survive past Day 2?

The urge to put either E or parabola on L-1 right now is really really big, but I guess getting two replacements might be a lot better for town and the game in general.

I would support two replacements.
8 and a half days is suffice to catch-up and scum-hunt.

[Dirty Harry2]

Conclusion:
Bad-scum vs apathetic-townie.
Not town-reading.

[Skold]

Liking Loopdan's analysis thus far. Removed from the chopping board.

[Vecna]

Liking Loopdan's analysis thus far. Removed from the chopping board.

...wut?

What analysis?

Did I miss something?

[Vecna]

"At this point"...
@Loopdan - where are you in your catch-up?

I read the whole game before looking at flips. First impressions: I would have joined the earth wagon Day 1. Don't care for the sheep noise posts, but I think that was more likely town than scum. I don't like inactive ICs on Day 1. Not at all surprised at the NK; Rb was obvtown.

Definitely have some other thoughts on alignments, which I'll be glad to share after I re-read with flips in mind.

This has literally been the only analysis he has done.......He shows us no pattern whatsoever for why he has reached his conclusions.

And you like his analysis?

......im really confused here, such a strange thing to say. He has literally not done anything to show us that he isn't simply scum copying everyone's reads.

[Dirty Harry2]

Liking Loopdan's analysis thus far.

Examples please.
Highlight the town-indicative analysis you "like".

[Loopdan]

@Skold, I was about to ask you the same thing. My posts so far show nothing but a quick surface read of the game.

[Dirty Harry2]

@loopdan

Who do you think had a dominant role in newearth's misslynch?
Who do you think had an active role in newearth's misslynch?
Who do you think had a peripheral role in newearth's misslynch?
Who do you think had a minimal role in newearth's misslynch?

[Loopdan]

@loopdan

Who do you think had a dominant role in newearth's misslynch?

I don't see any player as having a

dominant

role. It looks like the wagon just kind of grew and happened to be the best option near deadline. There was no competing wagon after Skold's fell apart. Earth and Nacho both had votes on Vecna, but that wasn't going anywhere with Nacho MIA.

My guess is the lynch was largely town-driven. rb (conftown) put the L-1 vote on earth. Franky (conftown to me) hammered. I don't like Skold's vote in 441 that put earth at L-2. Skold had two votes on him and yet claimed VT and said he was going to be avoiding the thread "Hopefully the entire rest of the day." I also don't like e_is_cool's 395. Looks opportunistic to put the third vote on earth for insufficient stated reasons. Skold and Vecna had been voting each other for part of the Day, then united for the earth lynch. If there is scum on the wagon, it could be there.

Here's the way it went down:

Franky has the first vote on earth way back in 51.
parabola joined in with a second vote in 53.
Franky changed his vote to e in 96, but jumped back on the wagon in 213, after which parabola changes votes in 278.
Vecna joins the wagon in 322.
e_is_cool put earth at L-2 in 395. It was e's first vote of the game.
Franky jumped off the wagon soon thereafter in 428.
Skold came in and put earth back at L-2 in 441.
rb jumped on (L-1), then quickly back off, then back on the wagon (L-1) in 461, 467, and 474.
Then Franky hammered in 489, which I know was town, but you do not.

Who do you think had an active role in newearth's misslynch?

Those who voted: Vecna, e_is_cool, Skold, rb, & Franky

Who do you think had a peripheral role in newearth's misslynch?

Dirty Harry2. Didn't vote the wagon but was willing to hammer if it came down to it.

Who do you think had a minimal role in newearth's misslynch?

Those who didn't vote earth and mostly ignored the wagon: Nacho & parabola

[Skold]

Who do you think had a dominant role in newearth's misslynch?
Who do you think had an active role in newearth's misslynch?
Who do you think had a peripheral role in newearth's misslynch?
Who do you think had a minimal role in newearth's misslynch?

''please state self-evident facts without providing any analysis''.
Seriously what are these questions? Is this a test to make sure he's read the thread or something?

[Skold]

What analysis?

Used it stupidly as a buzzword. I like the stream of consciousness. Though I say ''I like'' quite a bit so idk/idc much about it.

[Skold]

What analysis?

Used it stupidly as a buzzword. I like the stream of consciousness. Though I say ''I like'' quite a bit so idk/idc much about it.

@loopdan

Who do you think had a dominant role in newearth's misslynch?

I don't see any player as having a

dominant

role. It looks like the wagon just kind of grew and happened to be the best option near deadline. There was no competing wagon after Skold's fell apart. Earth and Nacho both had votes on Vecna, but that wasn't going anywhere with Nacho MIA.

My guess is the lynch was largely town-driven. rb (conftown) put the L-1 vote on earth. Franky (conftown to me) hammered. I don't like Skold's vote in 441 that put earth at L-2. Skold had two votes on him and yet claimed VT and said he was going to be avoiding the thread "Hopefully the entire rest of the day." I also don't like e_is_cool's 395. Looks opportunistic to put the third vote on earth for insufficient stated reasons. Skold and Vecna had been voting each other for part of the Day, then united for the earth lynch. If there is scum on the wagon, it could be there.

Here's the way it went down:

Franky has the first vote on earth way back in 51.
parabola joined in with a second vote in 53.
Franky changed his vote to e in 96, but jumped back on the wagon in 213, after which parabola changes votes in 278.
Vecna joins the wagon in 322.
e_is_cool put earth at L-2 in 395. It was e's first vote of the game.
Franky jumped off the wagon soon thereafter in 428.
Skold came in and put earth back at L-2 in 441.
rb jumped on (L-1), then quickly back off, then back on the wagon (L-1) in 461, 467, and 474.
Then Franky hammered in 489, which I know was town, but you do not.

Who do you think had an active role in newearth's misslynch?

Those who voted: Vecna, e_is_cool, Skold, rb, & Franky

Who do you think had a peripheral role in newearth's misslynch?

Dirty Harry2. Didn't vote the wagon but was willing to hammer if it came down to it.

Who do you think had a minimal role in newearth's misslynch?

Those who didn't vote earth and mostly ignored the wagon: Nacho & parabola

However speaking of analysis I do like that 2nd paragraph. I don't know why you'd bother answering Dirty Harry's questions, they were just ''what happened D1, in broad terms''.
Going back to Franky to see if I like Loopdan. Everybody but Vecna goes back on the chopping board. YAYYYY.

[Skold]

Scum reads (in no particular order):
e_is_cool
parabola
Nacho

Town reads (in no particular order):

Skold

Vecna
Harry

This seems to have changed. By how much, why and why did you see me as town to begin with?

[Skold]

Moving place tomorrow so I'm going to fart out as much as I can tonight and get this thread nice and stinky.
Vecna goes back on chopping board for not voting me for terrible townread? Jesus Christ people if you don't want to become bacon give me something.
DirtyHarry bothers me for following up on disliking my read, dropping some terrible questions but not taking it any further than ''why''?
In other words - why didn't you vote/fos me? I'd vote me on the spot there.
Loopdan has a townread on me then immediately after my townread on him builds an entirely separate case on me. How and or why?

I have some other thoughts but first I need to look at Franky

[Skold]

Theory shit for Nacho/IC replacement - Thoughts on reading someone through the slot's predecessor's actions.

[Loopdan]

The reads I provided earlier were without gradation. I never said how town I'm reading you, Skold. But I can see that you are smart enough to decipher it's not as town as the others listed in that grouping.

[Dirty Harry2]

DirtyHarry bothers me for following up on disliking my read, dropping some terrible questions but not taking it any further than ''why''?
In other words - why didn't you vote/fos me? I'd vote me on the spot there.

If you're still alive tomorrow I will be coming for you.
Keep posting and pushing your "chopping board" suspects.

[Dirty Harry2]

''please state self-evident facts without providing any analysis''.
Seriously what are these questions? Is this a test to make sure he's read the thread or something?

I liked his "analysis" thus far.
Removed from the "chopping board".

Spoiler:

I wanted to see the D1 miss-lynch though his eyes.
Which players he wanted to implicate (where scum lay on the wagon).
Whether he was happy to name me (a mass town read player) as a peripheral/(scummy) contributor to the miss-lynch.
Now, wash your mouth out.