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Post Post #375 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:50 am

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In post 373, Javajoe24 wrote:Time is running out, if no one hammers by deadline, I am giving
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If no one hammers by deadline, he won't get lynched. I assume you mean you will hammer a few hours or at least minutes before deadline.

I don't think it will come to that, I'll hammer soon enough if there isn't some incredible revelations in the near future.
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Post Post #376 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:52 am

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Hoopla - I think rb is a possible partner for Rosske and definitely someone I would flip on a scum!Rosske flip. First he tried to say Rosske is town, then he 180'd once it was clear I was not abandoning my push and is now actively WIFOMing to try to gain towncred from his Rosske vote.
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Post Post #377 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:02 am

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Yeah, I meant I would hammer right before deadline if no one else does. I would prefer a karnos lynch though. I still feel like a karnos flip would be more informative.
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Post Post #378 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:31 am

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In post 376, GuiltyLion wrote:Hoopla - I think rb is a possible partner for Rosske and definitely someone I would flip on a scum!Rosske flip. First he tried to say Rosske is town, then he 180'd once it was clear I was not abandoning my push and is now actively WIFOMing to try to gain towncred from his Rosske vote.
You mean I 180'd after Rosske didn't post for ages, never came through on his analysis promise and every post he's made has been super weak. Fuck, so weird that I'm scumreading him.
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Post Post #379 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:32 am

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rb, is inactivity a scumtell for you?
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Post Post #380 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:35 am

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Java, explain why you think rosske is scum please.
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Post Post #381 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:36 am

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Not if it's reasoned out and consistent. Franky mass-replaced so I don't see any reason to think he was being lurkerscum here.

I don't read Rosske's inactivity the same as I read RachMarie's or Franky's inactivity, for example. I mean people CAN lie about IRL shit to win a mafia game but that's pretty sad and I don't think it's a commonplace thing on this site at all that people lie about IRL to win mafia games - correct me if I'm wrong, that's what I gather. I'd rather keep my nose out of people's IRL business and if someone does do that, I'll probably just avoid playing with them. Site's big enough and there's enough games I don't need to play with people who pull that kind of stuff.
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Post Post #382 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:38 am

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Ok, makes sense. Rach went V/LA in at least a couple other games too.

What do you think about java who's kind of active lurking
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Post Post #383 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:39 am

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I think he's possible nullscum but I don't want him lynched Day 1 since I'm not explicitly scum-reading him and his lynch doesn't give us info like karnos/GL/Rosske does.
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Post Post #384 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:51 am

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Forgot to respond to hoopla. What you're saying makes some sense, but I think scum could bus and then unvote using the fact that it's RVS as justification.

Plus the rosske wagon was 4 of my town reads.
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Post Post #385 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:37 pm

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I went vla in ALL my games

came back and posted I was still swamped more on monday

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Post Post #386 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:38 pm

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Franky clearly site flaked why are people wanting to lynch Infin over that?
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Post Post #387 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:57 pm

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In post 348, rb wrote:Tbh I'm starting to wonder why you want to lynch TNE if you think Rosske is town because I find it hard to believe that TNE is TNE scum vs. Rosske town interaction. It's either Rosske scum or Town vs. Town. Imo if Rosske flips town it's super unlikely she's scum, and there's probably scum off-wagon and/or in GL + Karnos.
TNE absolutely makes sense if she's scum and Rosske is town -- anyone on Rosske's wagon can fit as scum if he's town, hence why I believe it's more likely he is indeed town, as for Rosske to be scum, that whole posse voting him needs to be all town (extremely unlikely), or someone is bussing, and I really think only you are a viable choice. There's way more combinations of alignments possible when you have Rosske as town.

As an aside, I'm starting to believe TNE is the most town out my lynch pool, mostly on the back her lol-oh-wait-there-are-actually-3-mafia post. I don't see mafia dropping blatantly obvious town tells like that very often. Most of the time, mafia tend to play in as a truthful as possible, as a way to imitate town sincerity. It's more rare to see mafia lie in this manner. Again, another occam's razor: more likely that post comes from town actually forgetting, then scum going out of their way to obfuscate.

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In post 355, rb wrote:I don't really get it tbh, because the Franky/Infinity slot was inactive up until all of 10 hours ago and Franky's replace was consistent site-wide. I think we're talking past each other because I said that if Rosske flips Town I think there's scum in GL/Karnos or off his wagon. I don't really see how Karnos isn't a viable scumbuddy of Rosske. Based on what Karnos has said, it's viable imo. I mean maybe it's not normal or expected for scum to bus partners the way Karnos has, but karnos has said:

- he's never seen a derphammer based on unannounced L-1 this early in-game
- only scum would derphammer
- anyone who derphammers should be policy lynch

If Karnos + Rosske are scum, and Karnos really thinks it's basically impossible for someone to derphammer Rosske here unless they themselves are scum, it's actually easy for Karnos to just assume that he can bus here and it's not going to get his buddy lynched, while simultaneously putting them in strong position to win the game because the immediate conclusion is that Karnos + Rosske scum is impossible. Scumreads for me are Rosske/GL/Karnos.
Apologies if I were talking past you -- I actually don't know if I was as I was phone posting, but it seems like we've got a lot of different branches of conversation happening here.

A question for you. Why are you so open to keeping a Karnos/Rosske combination as a realistic possibility alive, when earlier in the game you posted this:
In post 148, rb wrote:Tbh I like 146 and 147 from rosske.

VOTE: karnos

Don't like this guy though. And me not liking him makes me not like rosske's wagon.
Would you say your opinion on the Rosske wagon or Rosske/karnos as a combination has changed since this post?
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Post Post #388 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 2:59 pm

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Wait this is a micro there are THREE scumz? how is that balanced I thought with 9 players it was 2?

And how do you know there are 3, Hoopla?
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Post Post #389 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:00 pm

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Wow ok that looks like a genuine townslip.

The setup is 6v3 town wins if 2 scum are lynched, no night unless scum is lynched.
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Post Post #390 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:02 pm

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I admit I am doing catch up here in a couple of games, but yeah was confused
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Post Post #391 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:04 pm

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Yeah i fogot how grey flag worked yesterday

Its white flag. All you ever need is 2 scums. Plus they're vengeful.

We just lynch roskke and karnos

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Post Post #392 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:13 pm

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Upon reviewing the day's play, I am actually more okay with karnos as possible scum again. I signaled intent to hammer him at one point since his wagon looked townish and his last words swayed me. Although, now that I'm PoE'ing the game a bit more, I think others have better reasons for being more town than him. Here's his wagon:
In post 266, callforjudgement wrote:
karnos (4):
Javajoe24, RachMarie, rb, Rosske
There are two prob-townies on there in Rach and Rosske, and if either of javajoe or rb are scum, I think these votes are more likely bussing votes than any of the votes placed on Rosske. I also think there is an okay-ish chance that whole wagon is town, which is something that I cannot say for the Rosske wagon. There was also a more legitimate reason (his unannounced L-1 vote) for townies to get lucky and find scum on.

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I also am giving up on my defense for Rosske town. It seems as if nobody in the town shares my views and I haven't been able to convince anyone of my position. I'm still confident he is town, but since nobody is budging and we are very close to deadline, I'm not going to keep screaming into the void for the sake of my own ego. I have said my piece and unless someone surprises me and wants to get a counterwagon going somewhere, I'm going unvote tne and place a symbolic vote on Infinity, who I think works the best in the most possible teams based on Rosske's flip.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Infinity

Updated pool based on more reading: Infinity, rb, Guiltylion, javajoe, karnos
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Post Post #393 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:14 pm

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In post 389, Infinity 324 wrote:Wow ok that looks like a genuine townslip.

The setup is 6v3 town wins if 2 scum are lynched, no night unless scum is lynched.
Yep, Rach and TNE get to be town. Rach's slip looks more genuine than tne's, but I believe them both.
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Post Post #394 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:15 pm

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Hoopla, do you have any reads so far based on play?

PEdit: yeah I agree with that
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Post Post #395 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:18 pm

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Inactivity due to flaking is one thing

Inactivity due to coasting is another

So lets not
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Post Post #396 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 3:27 pm

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In post 394, Infinity 324 wrote:Hoopla, do you have any reads so far based on play?
I have some reads based on behavioral tells -- this page I've cleared Rach and TNE based on one. I also spared karnos' life based on a gut instinct, although I'm less sure about that instinct now that the game is narrowing down. I have had more gut instincts about some people's behaviors and posts, but things still have to add up from a broader perspective rather than on isolated tells alone.
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I'm not suspicious of Infinity's slot for inactivity if that post was directed at me. It is a process of elimination read based on my other town reads and wagon analysis. I think most people aren't looking for potential scum combos yet like me, so I'll wait until we have a flip before I push this angle more.
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Post Post #397 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:04 pm

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Bumping votecount to next page, post 1.
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Post Post #398 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:04 pm

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Post Post #399 (ISO) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:04 pm

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