New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

[implosion]

If you're a ninja the motion detector problem is easy to get around.

You yourself doubt A50 and encourage me to so you can't really be " cleared " by a JK if you don't believe the JK is a JK, enough to try and persuade me into voting the JK when I think it's clear what the real answer is?


I think you are actually the one in the corner.

But if she's a ninja then she's not a strongman... and if she's scum then a50 has to be town (assuming one scum left).

It's like you're not reading what we're saying. You don't get to simply declare "I'm town, and that isn't open to discussion." That simply isn't how the game works. You are, in my opinion, the strongest candidate for scum. I've made it very clear why i think so and you haven't directly addressed the one very simple reason that I think shannon is town.

[Zachstralkita]

If you're a ninja the motion detector problem is easy to get around.

You yourself doubt A50 and encourage me to so you can't really be " cleared " by a JK if you don't believe the JK is a JK, enough to try and persuade me into voting the JK when I think it's clear what the real answer is?


I think you are actually the one in the corner.

But if she's a ninja then she's not a strongman... and if she's scum then a50 has to be town (assuming one scum left).

It's like you're not reading what we're saying. You don't get to simply declare "I'm town, and that isn't open to discussion." That simply isn't how the game works. You are, in my opinion, the strongest candidate for scum. I've made it very clear why i think so and you haven't directly addressed the one very simple reason that I think shannon is town.

Um, but like,

I told you

, if you keep thinking that then we're going to lose. This is what you're missing. Why would I EVER deceive you, friend?

My entire point of that post was:

Sure, I can call A50 a JK because I think it is. She can NOT doubt his legitimacy and believe he is a JK at the same time, which is EXACTLY what happened.

[implosion]

Zach you've literally never played mafia with anyone who uses logic before have you

[implosion]

Let me spell this out nice and clear.

I don't give a shit if shannon disbelieves A50 but also trusts his ability to clear people as a jailkeeper. I don't give a shit about this for two reasons. The simpler is that it isn't actually logically inconsistent like you seem to be implying it is, at least, under the assumption that one scum remains. But the other reason is that

she is cleared by both a motion detector and a jailkeeper claim.

I don't care what she's saying; for her to be mafia, she would have to be an extremely specific role and have gotten very lucky. And the odds of that are just too low to even consider, not that I even find her play scummy in the first place (I frankly would likely be townreading her over you based on reads alone but I don't need to think about that anymore).

[implosion]

I'm effectively asking you a question and getting a response in an entirely different language.
I don't know that you're town. If you want me to believe that you are town (and if you are town and believe that I am town and shannon is scum, you should want this), then I need to know how you're reconciling your belief that shannon is scum with the actions that were claimed on her.

[Zachstralkita]

Zach you've literally never played mafia with anyone who uses logic before have you

That's uh, a stretch.

Let me spell this out nice and clear.

I don't give a shit if shannon disbelieves A50 but also trusts his ability to clear people as a jailkeeper. I don't give a shit about this for two reasons. The simpler is that it isn't actually logically inconsistent like you seem to be implying it is, at least, under the assumption that one scum remains. But the other reason is that

she is cleared by both a motion detector and a jailkeeper claim.

I don't care what she's saying; for her to be mafia, she would have to be an extremely specific role and have gotten very lucky. And the odds of that are just too low to even consider, not that I even find her play scummy in the first place (I frankly would likely be townreading her over you based on reads alone but I don't need to think about that anymore).

well RIP

I'm effectively asking you a question and getting a response in an entirely different language.
I don't know that you're town. If you want me to believe that you are town (and if you are town and believe that I am town and shannon is scum, you should want this), then I need to know how you're reconciling your belief that shannon is scum with the actions that were claimed on her.

she could be a wacky JOAT

i'm not sure why this has to be such an impossible impossibility

[implosion]

It's a matter of probability. She'd have to have an incredibly specific role, and have happened to use both of her abilities on precisely the correct nights. I am willing to bet the game on odds that slim, especially given that I think she looks town anyway.

[Zachstralkita]

It's a matter of probability. She'd have to have an incredibly specific role, and have happened to use both of her abilities on precisely the correct nights. I am willing to bet the game on odds that slim, especially given that I think she looks town anyway.

Famous last words.

[kraska77]

Guys what if transcend was right and a50 somehow cooked all of this up

[Zachstralkita]

Guys what if transcend was right and a50 somehow cooked all of this up

implosion seems to have you covered on that front, OR he could just you know continue to think im scum

its really a 50/50 then

[shannon]

If you're a ninja the motion detector problem is easy to get around.

You yourself doubt A50 and encourage me to so you can't really be " cleared " by a JK if you don't believe the JK is a JK, enough to try and persuade me into voting the JK when I think it's clear what the real answer is?


I think you are actually the one in the corner.

youre not getting it

If A50 is scum none of his clears on anyone mean anything.

But if a50 is town, the only option is you as strongman since
You were jailed twice and kills still happened. Whereas I have been both jailed and motion detectors
And kills still happened. I don't even know if there's a role that can possibly have those powers and still be normal. Get it?

[shannon]

Simpler: if a50 is town, you are scum. If a50
Is scum, well, he's scum!

[shannon]

Someone who is not dosed up on flu tablets, go back and look at A50s claimed results and whether he gave them after/before/congruent with others' results and whether there's evidence that he has been gaming the system.

[Zachstralkita]

Yo A50, who is scum?

[Almost50]

I already said what I thought at the start of the day, and I should have insisted on going that route. Lynching me would have confirmed my role and alignment and maybe then you would have been left with only one conclusion and that it's implosion.

Now don't ask me to speculate about how it goes. I'm not on top of how strongman works and you guys seem to imply that they can kill if jailed. I always thought they would only manage to kill if their target was jailed (since that would be bypassing "protection" which is the definition of a strongman), but I didn't know they could kill when they are jailed (bc then that would be overcoming a roleblock!)

I'm not even sure I'm making much sense here, but suffice it to say implosion is the one I never jailed (and it has always been for a good reason: IF he was the doctor, then I would be blocking his protection, so I figured 2 protections are better than one).

Anyway, if I jail implosion tonight and there are no kills then it's him, but that's ONLY according to how I understand strongman to work. If I'm wrong and strongman can bypass a roleblock (being jailed themselves) then it's a shot in the dark, but then shannon is likely to be town still bc of the MD result on her when there actually was a kill on that night.

[Zachstralkita]

Strongmen can bypass roleblocks

I also don't believe scum had a JK AND a RB (who A50 would be), so A50 is still an actual JK.

[Zachstralkita]

There is a world where A50 and I can both be town

And it's the one that we're in.

[Zachstralkita]

I don't believe Almost50 is a jailkeeper at this point,

I'll play. Let's ASSUME for the sake of argument (and I can't stress more on this being a HYPOTHETICAL assumption, bc I AM a JK). This only leaves us with 2 possibilities:

1- I'm town and BSing like many of you have been.
2- I'm scum and KNEW my OWN PARTNER was a JK, yet I opted to claim a JK of all possible fake claims available in the wiki.

Take a pick.

[shannon]

^if implosion is jailed tonight and there are no kills it could be anyone deciding that no kill is a better play.

[shannon]

It doesn't make sense to me that the doc would be town, the nurse scum, and the backup nurse town

[shannon]

Hopefully we got it right today and it's Kraska

[kraska77]

Post lynch trolling is not my style

[GuyInFreezer]

vc 8.02

kraska77 (3):

Zachstralkita, kraska77, Almost50

Not Voting:

implosion, shannon

With

5

votes,

3

to lynch.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-08-15 12:58:03)

[GuyInFreezer]

kraska77

,

Vanilla Townie

, was lynched Day 8.

Now it is Night 8.

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-08-05 19:09:59).

[GuyInFreezer]

shannon

,

Vanilla Townie

, was killed

Night 8

,

Now it is Day 9.

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-08-19 09:42:20).