Newbie 1723 - Game Over!

[Ircher]

Day 3 VC #2

Vecna (0) -
Harry (0) -
Faalcon (0) -
Morning (1) - Faalcon
Nacho (0) -
Not Voting (4) - Vecna, Harry, Morning, Nacho

Lynch Threshold

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch!

Deadline

Day 3 ends on August 19, 2016 5:30 PM EST DST+1 or in (expired on 2016-08-19 17:30:00).

Mod Notes

None.

[Dirty Harry2]

Unvote for now mate.
Let everyone post.
Then we vote.
It only takes 3 to lynch.

[goodmorning]

Why are Vecna and I still alive?

Are Nacho and goodmorning not scum then?

Or was loopdan such an obvious town PR?

No one votes, correct?

I thought I had Cop/Tracker figured out this morning, actually.

But I thought it was Vecna, so...

Correct. No one votes.

ugh

Vote: Nic

only viable wagon and so on

I actually have to go now.

Everyone expressed a willingness to lynch/scumread goodmorning D2.
Was this late L-1 vote made to survive?

It was made because it was either him or me, yeah.

VOTE: goodmorning
I'll look into everyone's activity pre-lynch.

Don't vote people in LyLo.

[Nachomamma8]

Don't vote yet or I will haunt you in your dreams; in LyLo, scum can quick hammer one wrong vote and win instantly.

I'm on vacation! I'm not declaring a V/LA because I imagine I will probably check in enough while I am gone but if I make drunken unintelligible posts you know why.

[Vecna]

I'm also on vacation since yesterday so ill only be phone posting from now on so don't expect massive quote walls from me.

I'm also highly surprised both me and dh are still alive. I'll comment more on it later since breakfast just got served

[Vecna]

Faalcon you do realize if your vote is on a non scum player the scum could have won the game by now right?

The fact this hasnt happened yet can mean a few things;
-both scum havent been online yet together to hammer potential town gm
-gm is scum so cant or wont be hammered by scum (yet)
-faalcon is scum so they would need another townvote to lynch town gm

[Vecna]

Ok so the fact that this was the cop and doc setup also means theres a mafia roleblocker. Noone ever claimed to be roleblocked if memory serves so i guess its safe to assume either the cop or doc got blocked n1. This would explain either the lack of strong directions from the cop d2 or why the doc didnt save rb n1.

As for why me and dh are still allive, now thats an interesting question. I also didnt really expect skolds slot to be a pr so the questionnis why not me or him for the nk. I know my allignment so wont go into that, but it can again mean two things as far as i can think of:
-either everyone except gm has been wrong about dh (i still find this hard to believe to be honest)
-scum wants us to start asking these questions and are using the weird wifom nk to thry and direct attention away from themselves, and got lucky in the process by hitting the cop.

[Faalcon]

Sorry, I didn't realize that.
UNVOTE: morning.

[Vecna]

Quick question: do vt's get a pm from the gms wheb theyre roleblocked? Because if so we could have a potential town"clear" if noone were to cc whoever got roleblocked n2

[Dirty Harry2]

-scum wants us to start asking these questions and are using the weird wifom nk to thry and direct attention away from themselves, and got lucky in the process by hitting the cop.

Possible WIFOM NK.
I did not see that NK coming.
I did not see him hint/soft cop.
He wasn't even the most town-read player - scum obviously wanted the cop dead.
[He was scum-reading Nacho and goodmorning]
The two popular scum-reads.

No one is pushing an argument on Vecna.
goodmorning was the only player pushing an argument on me.

Did scum not care who me/Vecna were going to push today?

It feels like scum want us to vote goodmorning and Nacho.
The easy votes.

[Dirty Harry2]

Quick question: do vt's get a pm from the gms wheb theyre roleblocked? Because if so we could have a potential town"clear" if noone were to cc whoever got roleblocked n2

No.

[Dirty Harry2]

How did scum-Nacho/goodmorning expect this to go?
Faalcon/me/Vecna are all suspicious of them.
Faalcon even came into D3 with an immediate vote.
We are unlikely to vote eachother too.

Something's not right.

IMO, let's start from scratch.
From D1.
Because at the moment this game is over.

[goodmorning]

Quick question: do vt's get a pm from the gms wheb theyre roleblocked? Because if so we could have a potential town"clear" if noone were to cc whoever got roleblocked n2

No.

Neither do the PRs, technically.

--

ugh dh stop being town

[Dirty Harry2]

Now on 6 night holiday.
Activity variable.

[Nachomamma8]

I haven't looked through the Franky/Loopdan ISOs, but RB seemed like a pretty obvious vanilla townie kill as well as a kill likely to get blocked.

[Nachomamma8]

Goodmorning, are you now reading DH as town?

[Nachomamma8]

How did scum-Nacho/goodmorning expect this to go?
Faalcon/me/Vecna are all suspicious of them.
Faalcon even came into D3 with an immediate vote.
We are unlikely to vote eachother too.

Something's not right.

IMO, let's start from scratch.
From D1.
Because at the moment this game is over.

If there was a reason to believe Loopdan was the cop then the motive to shoot him regardless of scum team composition.

[Ircher]

Day 3 VC #3

Vecna (0) -
Harry (0) -
Faalcon (0) -
Morning (0) -
Nacho (0) -
Not Voting (5) - Vecna, Harry, Morning, Nacho, Faalcon

Lynch Threshold

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch!

Deadline

Day 3 ends on August 19, 2016 5:30 PM EST DST+1 or in (expired on 2016-08-19 17:30:00).

Mod Notes

None.

[goodmorning]

Goodmorning, are you now reading DH as town?

Yeah, pretty much.

Leaves me with you/Vecna by PoE. I've been trying to reread and put a short case together on that but Olympics, so.

[Nachomamma8]

Goodmorning, are you now reading DH as town?

Yeah, pretty much.

Leaves me with you/Vecna by PoE. I've been trying to reread and put a short case together on that but Olympics, so.

What caused the change?

[Vecna]

DH, how do you expect nic to roleclaim if he isn't at L-1? I am puzzled by your unvote.

We have less than 8 hours left. I will be back before deadline, but I have little faith that the scum-read slots will. There are essentially four of us who seem to be generally town-reading each other that are also active (Faalcon, DH, Vecna, me). Yes, I'd very much like the others to get here and give reads and votes and expose their opinions for review. However, if the others stay away the rest of the Day, we can decide the lynch without them.

In that event, who are you (Faalcon, DH, & Vecna) most comfortable lynching as the game stands right now?

My lynch preference (in order):
nic
nacho
morning

So from this last post we can clearly deduce that the cop did not get a guilty on someone. He definately would've pushed his guilty and get a near autowin with the doc still alive. We can also deduce he did not get an inno on gm and nacho.

Other three options that are possible:
-inno on me, falcon or dh (Only possible if dh and falcon are in fact town ofcourse)
-inno on deadguy
-roleblocked

[goodmorning]

Goodmorning, are you now reading DH as town?

Yeah, pretty much.

Leaves me with you/Vecna by PoE. I've been trying to reread and put a short case together on that but Olympics, so.

What caused the change?

"I'd expect him to have" - and that is where your game falls short.

What is a reaction test but a gambit that you

expect

one alignment to react to one way and the other alignment to react to a different way?

True.
I do agree we come into this game with our own preconceptions on how scum and town should behave.
However, I felt you were transfixed into reading every thing I was saying as possessing scum-motivation.
(Many points I think were non-alignment indicative).
Is there even 1% doubt/hesitancy/paranoia/conflict in your scum-read of me?
You have come into this game attacking the top two town-reads...
(That is not scummy).
But it is the reasons why you have done this, which is troubling me.

I can admit that I may have accidentally confbiased myself a bit; your play isn't as like to mine as I assumed. I have to set the bar explainier for you and recalibrate. I still scumread you just now but I don't want to lynch you today (not that I'd be able to anyway (deadline etc.) but still).

This was the start; I also like the way he's approaching this game day so far. Not that it couldn't come from Scum, but still.

I feel like you've missed a lot of my posts.

@Vecna: That's not very useful. Also, I think you still have some questions of mine to answer.

[Ircher]

Prodding Faalcon (2d 7h). He has (expired on 2016-08-09 11:48:35) to respond.

[Faalcon]

Wow, was it really so long ?
I tried to gather information from my dumb vote, but did get nothing from the connexion informations. Even if morning was town; it would mean mafia is extra careful/sleepy
I don't think Franky read someone who's dead now, it would mean reading either rb, who was obvtown and townread y Franky, or e_is_cool, who was scumread by Loopdan on D2.
My best guess is that Franky was roleblocked because he was obvtown, which could explain the last NK.
I don't think we should analyze
For now we're 4 to scumread morning (I think) and as much for nacho.

morning :I'd very much like to know how you went from "quickhammer DH" to "I don't have anythong against DH but I still scumread him" to "he didn'r do anything difficult for scum to do but now I townread DH".
Nacho : what's your second scumread. We're down to five, you should've figured it out now.

[Faalcon]

I don't think we should analyze

the fact rb was not saved N1, as other players were obvtown, and e_is_ cool was not very active.