Mini 1813 - Overwatch Mafia! TOWN WINS

[Genji]

Sure.

VOTE: Shadow

Hows that.

I'd also want an Engineer lynch

Why does it seem like you want to lynch anyone and everyone but yourself?
You reek of just pure survivalism.

Can you explain your scumreads more than just "They are voting me?"

[podoboq]

It's completely opportunistic and wants to save random/ dp for future mislynches.

I want to lynch random now, but nobody else seems to be listening. If you're willing to vote obvscum with me, then let's fucking do it, but I saw you (apparently double-voting) on obvtown, so yeah, wasn't holding my breath any longer.

We have two days left. You've been a moderate scum read for a while now. I'm settling for you, because it looks like the alternative is lynching DoctorPepper, who is town.

[Genji]

It's completely opportunistic and wants to save random/ dp for future mislynches.

I want to lynch random now, but nobody else seems to be listening. If you're willing to vote obvscum with me, then let's fucking do it, but I saw you (apparently double-voting) on obvtown, so yeah, wasn't holding my breath any longer.

We have two days left. You've been a moderate scum read for a while now. I'm settling for you, because it looks like the alternative is lynching DoctorPepper, who is town.

I would lynch random.
VOTE: Randomidget

I still think doctorpepper is likely scum though.
I don't know where this shadow wagon is coming from but it seems like last minute scramble to counter a scum wagon.

[Foxbird]

Oh my god I actually canNOT read.
Disregard my last post.

[Shadow_step]

It's completely opportunistic and wants to save random/ dp for future mislynches.

I want to lynch random now, but nobody else seems to be listening. If you're willing to vote obvscum with me, then let's fucking do it, but I saw you (apparently double-voting) on obvtown, so yeah, wasn't holding my breath any longer.

We have two days left. You've been a moderate scum read for a while now. I'm settling for you, because it looks like the alternative is lynching DoctorPepper, who is town.

I was voting paladin, wth ?

[podoboq]

It's completely opportunistic and wants to save random/ dp for future mislynches.

I want to lynch random now, but nobody else seems to be listening. If you're willing to vote obvscum with me, then let's fucking do it, but I saw you (apparently double-voting) on obvtown, so yeah, wasn't holding my breath any longer.

We have two days left. You've been a moderate scum read for a while now. I'm settling for you, because it looks like the alternative is lynching DoctorPepper, who is town.

I was voting paladin, wth ?

You're right. I missed that you got off DoctorPepper.

Building a small case right now.

[podoboq]

It's completely opportunistic and wants to save random/ dp for future mislynches.

I want to lynch random now, but nobody else seems to be listening. If you're willing to vote obvscum with me, then let's fucking do it, but I saw you (apparently double-voting) on obvtown, so yeah, wasn't holding my breath any longer.

We have two days left. You've been a moderate scum read for a while now. I'm settling for you, because it looks like the alternative is lynching DoctorPepper, who is town.

I would lynch random.
VOTE: Randomidget

I still think doctorpepper is likely scum though.
I don't know where this shadow wagon is coming from but it seems like last minute scramble to counter a scum wagon.

VOTE: randommidget
This wagon is much better

[Genji]

I don't understand the town reads off Doctor Pepper.
Right now role spec, he is at a null.
Activity and attempts to game solve he isn't doing much in terms of actually sorting out what people are thinking and finding out motivations. He views everyone as a enemy, while this can be how some town act. Its very lazy and anti town behavior.

I haven't seen him do much besides get defensive to his situation and calling anyone pressuring him scum.
I feel my reasoning for scumreading him is confirmation biased a bit, but the appeals to not lynching him based on just him "not being active and not doing much" is him realizing how bad he has been playing and trying to play the low hanging fruit card on himself.

I don't see any strong reason anyone can town read him.

[Shadow_step]

DP should be vigged for the sanity of town.
Not worth wasting a lynch over.
I'd still prefer a paladin lynch.

[podoboq]

That's my line!

Ok, I have a question for you Tracer, did you create your account before or after receiving your role PM?

This post is so bad, it's paranoid scum trying to look busy.

VOTE: Spring

This post is weird, and pinged me. Voting you for it so early would have been dumb (looking at your, DrPep), but that doesn't mean it isn't problematic when viewed in hindsight, especially considering that SpringLullaby obvtowned in her replace out.

Uhm I havent been able to keep up because of work and playing actual overwatch, can someone fill me in?

Yes, the fact that you're scum.

VOTE: Pepper

Your read on Pepper is shitty and omgus.

DP is still my top scum read, but I'm having 2nd thoughts about their alignment.
Too scummy to be scum sort.

As others have pointed out, this is almost always bad.

{Vedith, Shadow_Step, The Engineer} - A little bit scummy

reason for me being there?

Missed this originally. I'm glad I'm getting to it now.


Other things that I couldn't find just one quote to display: WAY too much vote hopping. Seriously, shadow seems to be jumping anywhere it might receive momentum, just feeling out what town wants to do, and seeing what sticks. Also, I haven't seen any legit scumhunting out of his slot. All of his reasons to scumread people are trash.

One more thing, hated and Torbjorn? Can someone explain the flavor behind why Torbjorn would be hated? Like, I trust that he's hated because reading through his ISO, he responds to the turret talk in a way that suggests it's his, but I don't get hated.

[podoboq]

I don't understand the town reads off Doctor Pepper.

Right now role spec, he is at a null.

Activity and attempts to game solve he isn't doing much in terms of actually sorting out what people are thinking and finding out motivations. He views everyone as a enemy, while this can be how some town act. Its very lazy and anti town behavior.

I haven't seen him do much besides get defensive to his situation and calling anyone pressuring him scum.
I feel my reasoning for scumreading him is confirmation biased a bit, but the appeals to not lynching him based on just him "not being active and not doing much" is him realizing how bad he has been playing and trying to play the low hanging fruit card on himself.

I don't see any strong reason anyone can town read him.

I agree with almost everything here except the highlighted sentence. Role/setup spec implies to me that DoctorPepper is negative town utility, as it makes us more likely to kill omnics, and I townread both of the omnic claims. I don't think the ability would be given to scum, because that just makes Zarya a double-voter in the end game in that case, which is nuts for scum if it doesn't come with some huge downside (like you have to plant the vote before the day starts).

Also, randomidget wants to lynch DoctorPepper, and randomidget is scum, so.....

[Shadow_step]

That's contradictory podo

If you're scum reading me for not doing "legit scum hunting", then why is it not the same case with DP, who has been worse in that regard.

[podoboq]

That's contradictory podo

If you're scum reading me for not doing "legit scum hunting", then why is it not the same case with DP, who has been worse in that regard.

Unlike you, some of DP's posts actually show some ability to find scummy behavior.

Guys

Or

We can not derail the DP wagon

I have no idea why we arent lynching this/pressuring this slot to give more info other than "lynch DP". Its starting to be pretty fluffy and the engineer's posts indicate that they post to not get prodded by posting innocuous things that wont attract attention

[Genji]

I agree with almost everything here except the highlighted sentence. Role/setup spec implies to me that DoctorPepper is negative town utility, as it makes us more likely to kill omnics, and I townread both of the omnic claims. I don't think the ability would be given to scum, because that just makes Zarya a double-voter in the end game in that case, which is nuts for scum if it doesn't come with some huge downside (like you have to plant the vote before the day starts).

Also, randomidget wants to lynch DoctorPepper, and randomidget is scum, so.....

I thought about this circumstances too of it being a negative utility, but I also considered if Fox is scum than its essentially nullifying the omnic other negative utility. Since I can't lynch Fox, DP essentially makes up for the fact I can't do it.

However it could also be like you said, a neg town utility. And me and Fox can be kind of quasi masons in the sense we can't lynch each other.

I went around it and got to null.

[podoboq]

I agree with almost everything here except the highlighted sentence. Role/setup spec implies to me that DoctorPepper is negative town utility, as it makes us more likely to kill omnics, and I townread both of the omnic claims. I don't think the ability would be given to scum, because that just makes Zarya a double-voter in the end game in that case, which is nuts for scum if it doesn't come with some huge downside (like you have to plant the vote before the day starts).

Also, randomidget wants to lynch DoctorPepper, and randomidget is scum, so.....

I thought about this circumstances too of it being a negative utility, but I also considered if Fox is scum than its essentially nullifying the omnic other negative utility. Since I can't lynch Fox, DP essentially makes up for the fact I can't do it.

However it could also be like you said, a neg town utility. And me and Fox can be kind of quasi masons in the sense we can't lynch each other.

I went around it and got to null.

This line of thought makes sense to me, but as I'm townreading both of you, I've been assuming quasi masons.

[Shadow_step]

VOTE: paladin

[Vedith]

VOTE: paladin

Who?

[vonflare]

VOTE COUNT

DoctorPepper

(5) - Turret, the engineer, Vedith, wake88, randommidget

Shadow_step

(3) - serrapaladin, doctorpepper, foxbird

randommidget

(2) - genji, podoboq

Tracer

(1) - Xkfyu

serrapaladin

(1) - shadow_step


Not voting: Tracer

with 12 players it takes 7 to lynch.

day ends in (expired on 2016-08-11 01:00:00)

[DoctorPepper]

Hi, can anyone counterclaim ownership of the turret

Loooool
You really think I'd be that dumb as scum to do such a thing.

Idk, apparently you thought I was too dumb as scum because I OMGUS'd you.

[Wake1]

Who is holding up the DP lynch?

[DoctorPepper]

Can someone actually explain why I'm scum. Because im pretty sure this is a scum pushed wagon.

Apparently Im scum because I'm defensive and I was inactive. Im not blatantly misrepping people like random. Im not completely BS-ing and discrediting like Shadow. And the engineer has been posting literally 1 thought which is "lynch DP" yet somehow im the scummiest.


Maybe its the fact that I'm town, I claimed a town ability and some people got to their senses

[DoctorPepper]

Sure.

VOTE: Shadow

Hows that.

I'd also want an Engineer lynch

Why does it seem like you want to lynch anyone and everyone but yourself?
You reek of just pure survivalism.

Can you explain your scumreads more than just "They are voting me?"

Because the reasons are crap, bad reads meant to misrepresent me/make me look scummy. Theres a difference in uaing cases to convince people someone is scummy and making someone look scummy. The cases on me are people making me look scummy, not people actually convinced I am scum.

Youre discrediting me by claiming this is OMGUS when this has never been the case.

Oh and lets cut the survivalism crap. Lets dispel the notion that town has no reason to want to survive. Knowing youre town and having people think youre scum is annoying because 1)you know its a mislynch 2) you know its scum motivated and 3) you know you it brings you closer ti lylo

[Shadow_step]

Hi, can anyone counterclaim ownership of the turret

Loooool
You really think I'd be that dumb as scum to do such a thing.

Idk, apparently you thought I was too dumb as scum because I OMGUS'd you.

No.
I was already voting you before that.

[DoctorPepper]

Guys, "only scum have an incentive to survive", " OMGUS", "Low activity", " Only defending yourself" are honestly outdated scum tactics in MS meta. If you've been on the site for longer than the two newbie games to become a qualified SE, you would know that these are not bonafide indicators of scumminess. The longer you play here, the more you realize these are Non Alignment indicatives. This is because town have reason to do this as well. OMGUS for crappy voting. Defensiveness because you know this lynch is a mistake. Survivalism because you are well aware that your death is a mislynch. Low activity because people have lives outside the game.

The real reasons to scum read are fabricating reasons to make someone look scummy, misreps and discredits, and faking activity (posting non insightful posts) just to seem active. These are all traits found on people on my wagon and youre wondering why Im only focused on them?

[Genji]

Guys, "only scum have an incentive to survive", " OMGUS", "Low activity", " Only defending yourself" are honestly outdated scum tactics in MS meta. If you've been on the site for longer than the two newbie games to become a qualified SE, you would know that these are not bonafide indicators of scumminess. The longer you play here, the more you realize these are Non Alignment indicatives. This is because town have reason to do this as well. OMGUS for crappy voting. Defensiveness because you know this lynch is a mistake. Survivalism because you are well aware that your death is a mislynch. Low activity because people have lives outside the game.

The real reasons to scum read are fabricating reasons to make someone look scummy, misreps and discredits, and faking activity (posting non insightful posts) just to seem active. These are all traits found on people on my wagon and youre wondering why Im only focused on them?

Can you point to more games as where what is "true scumminess" is? I feel like your defending your style and not truly scum hunting.