Street Fighter Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Dunnstral]

you can't base your opinions on what i believe

laughing my fucking ass off

Do you want to get policy lynched?

Reread that entire interaction

[zakk]

dunn you haven't once voted ranger in the entire game.

And?

Seriously go back and read my posts from last night

which ones?

make them all nice and pretty in a spoiler for me, and bold the parts that show you suspect ranger.

[Dunnstral]

Right so

If I'm wrong on this I'm going to get yelled at post-game

I think the scum team might just be Ranger/Dwlee

Something I hadn't been putting too much stock in is that I think Ranger likes to switch up her playstyle as scum... a lot

Her most recent posting looks like she was pushing the me/dwlee thing pretty hard while still appearling to me
Her antagonistic pushing of the masons reminds me of her in stack the deck and it doesn't look like she's trying to consider anti... which would easily be displayed if she knows the masons are town but is planning to night kill anti anyway to deny a result (Suzune displayed no suspicion of Ranger or Dwlee)

I'm not seeing game solving
I'm seeing her try to swing her weight around and convince me, and others, to vote the masons.. more specifically, zakk, and if she were mafia she'd know suzune would vote for me

With that being said, right now I think I'd like to vote for Ranger..... or Dwlee

Contrary to what everyone is saying, a scum team of me and Ranger is actually quite unlikely.

I'll explain after Anti reads through some stuff and maybe he'll pick up on it

Contrary to what everyone is saying, a scum team of me and Ranger is actually quite unlikely.

I'll explain after Anti reads through some stuff and maybe he'll pick up on it

how about just tell me now

Look at the way Ranger interacts with me. Brings up another game we were both in. If she's scum she's trying to persuade me to vote with her

Yeah she'd have seen what I did to Titus when she faked a scumread on me and turned it into a townread real quick

Yeah she'd have seen what I did to Titus when she faked a scumread on me and turned it into a townread real quick

This is Titus' scum mo. Did it to me this game too.

I came into this game with a townlean on Titus

She "scumread" me for bad reasons

I tunneled her all game long until she was lynched

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: suzune

[Dunnstral]

@Ranger I am willing to lynch Dwlee today

@zakk I am willing to lynch dwlee today

who's dwlee's buddy?

Ranger

show your work

i thought you thought ranger was town.

and why are you telling ranger you are willing to lynch dwlee, if that's his supposed scumbuddy

Because if Ranger is town she should be fine lynching Dwlee.

Antihero will almost certainly be the night kill, and She and I would be like confirmed town to each other (meaning the masons are scum)

we're not scum

try again.

that solution is not true.

Then Dwlee and Ranger are scum, and I'm willing to lynch there first. The solution is true.

[Dunnstral]

and today he is willing to vote dunnstral.

like you take this vote completely out of context
and there's no way you forgot that context

you made very veeery sure that you couldn't in any possible way be blamed if dunn flipped town

which makes me VERY sure you and dunn aren't scum together.

also, these posts.
495, 517, 527, 529, 530, 535, 537, 538, 554

it ain't dunn/dwlee, we can cross that off our lists, people.

Hey remember when I called him out for doing that when it happened and it got ignored?

Not going to let Zakk get away with fake claiming masons and lying about a guilty. Explain your guilty.

If you're not mafia it's almost 100% Dwlee who was posturing there, you need to explain how you could have had an inno on me

[zakk]

you can't base your opinions on what i believe

laughing my fucking ass off

Do you want to get policy lynched?

Reread that entire interaction

i will never be policy lynched.

all non-suzune three townies in this game recognize the effort i've been putting in

and if i'm lynched, that's them throwing in the towel.

and that's despicable (which is why i didn't do it)

[Dwlee99]

Hey remember when I called him out for doing that when it happened and it got ignored?

I was making sure he couldn't get away with claiming a fake guilty and back tracking tomorrow.

[Dunnstral]

all non-suzune three townies in this game recognize the effort i've been putting in

I recognize your ability to skip past what I say then rehash it later on in the game and take credit and call me useless while not having found any scum yourself

[zakk]

okay dunn that's very fair

i was kinda ignoring all posts made with dwlee being half of the scum team because i was under the impression he was town at the time

tbh if you're scum this game, YOU deserve a scummy.

i'm willing to call you town now.

or at least off the lynch list.

[zakk]

also still waiting on peeps:

@everyone:

who do you think are the two scum pairs that makes the most sense, within:

antihero
nosferatu
dwlee
dunnstral
ranger

and why?

scum possibilities / pairs

Spoiler: zakk (Dwlee/Ranger/Nos)

dwlee-nos (explained in recent posts)
ranger-nos (explained this all game)

(also, dunnstral might be convincing me of dwlee/ranger)

Spoiler: nosferatu (Dwlee/Dunnstral/Ranger)

scum is definitely in {dwlee, dunnstral, ranger}

Spoiler: Dunnstral (Ranger/Dwlee team)

iso dunnstral from
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8211794
to
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8211902

cross off the list:

• zakk doesn't think it's Dunn/Dwlee

[Dwlee99]

Also, you did your best to make ABSOLUTELY SURE I wasn't bullshitting with a gambit, or could just be wrong, when I did the dunnstral guilty. That factors in a bit too, because although you could have been setting me up to take the fall if you were scum and knew dunnstral was town, the likelihood was still low based on 2/3 of you being scum, and also, frankly, no offense, I don't think you have the skill as scum to pull off reactions like that, which look that real. You just feel... Town. So gj, either way.

oh but now it doesn't fit zakk's narrative so now I'm scum for it

and today he is willing to vote dunnstral.

like you take this vote completely out of context
and there's no way you forgot that context

you made very veeery sure that you couldn't in any possible way be blamed if dunn flipped town

which makes me VERY sure you and dunn aren't scum together.

also, these posts.
495, 517, 527, 529, 530, 535, 537, 538, 554

it ain't dunn/dwlee, we can cross that off our lists, people.

[Nosferatu]

@zakk do you have any traitor interactions between me and any flipped scum to justify suddenly scum reading me? Cause unless you do it's kinda dumb to insist that I'm not conf town upon anti's town flip

[Dunnstral]

It's weird how both ranger and dwlee were sort of pushing the theory "nos is town because there wouldn't be 3 mafia voting in a row"

But that requires nos to be traitor and they wouldn't know he's scum so it's a nothing point

I think it's ranger and Dwlee.....

Both of them seem to think it's the masons

[Nosferatu]

well I mean for ranger to be scum it means her scum mates tried to bus her like twice and failed both times.

[zakk]

Also, you did your best to make ABSOLUTELY SURE I wasn't bullshitting with a gambit, or could just be wrong, when I did the dunnstral guilty. That factors in a bit too, because although you could have been setting me up to take the fall if you were scum and knew dunnstral was town, the likelihood was still low based on 2/3 of you being scum, and also, frankly, no offense, I don't think you have the skill as scum to pull off reactions like that, which look that real. You just feel... Town. So gj, either way.

oh but now it doesn't fit zakk's narrative so now I'm scum for it

do you suddenly think i'm scum again?

yes or no

and today he is willing to vote dunnstral.

like you take this vote completely out of context
and there's no way you forgot that context

you made very veeery sure that you couldn't in any possible way be blamed if dunn flipped town

which makes me VERY sure you and dunn aren't scum together.

also, these posts.
495, 517, 527, 529, 530, 535, 537, 538, 554

it ain't dunn/dwlee, we can cross that off our lists, people.

do you think 495, 517, 527, 529, 530, 535, 537, 538, 554 imply that you and dunnstral could be on the same scum team?

or do you think it implies that you're not?

[zakk]

@zakk do you have any traitor interactions between me and any flipped scum to justify suddenly scum reading me? Cause unless you do it's kinda dumb to insist that I'm not conf town upon anti's town flip

just trying to consider all possibilities here

also, suzune brought up to me in private that you and anti like never talked to each other ... i didn't double check. will do that now.

[zakk]

entirety of antihero talking to or about nos:

(i don't even need to spoiler it)

i see luna couldnt keep the nos inno in her pants

i'm odd-night pt checker. flavor is chun-li

n1 check was beeboy, n3 was varsoon, n5 was nos

for nos

i frankly do not think a traitor is likely.

the ONLY situation where nos as a traitor makes sense is if he's the only scum left b/c there's not NEAR enough town power to justify 4 groupscum + a traitor and fucking my role that much more

tracker
day vig
double doc
glorified commuter

the investigative potential of this town is already anemic and i know the mod site meta is to make hilariously scumsided setups but thats just ridiculous

Why is nos out of the picture?

i JUST made a post on this

like...

i will never pretend i have anything other than mediocre-at-best reads
but i can setup spec with near perfect accuracy

i've just reviewed/designed/played enough games to where i've gotten good at it.

i think the chances of nos being some huehuehue gives godfather like results type role are p much nil

if you want to lynch nos (or me) as part of a break-an-egg-to-get-a-town-win-omlet sort of deal, then that's that but dont fool yourself into thinking youre going to net a scumflip from it

[Dwlee99]

Also, you did your best to make ABSOLUTELY SURE I wasn't bullshitting with a gambit, or could just be wrong, when I did the dunnstral guilty. That factors in a bit too, because although you could have been setting me up to take the fall if you were scum and knew dunnstral was town, the likelihood was still low based on 2/3 of you being scum, and also, frankly, no offense, I don't think you have the skill as scum to pull off reactions like that, which look that real. You just feel... Town. So gj, either way.

oh but now it doesn't fit zakk's narrative so now I'm scum for it

do you suddenly think i'm scum again?

yes or no

and today he is willing to vote dunnstral.

like you take this vote completely out of context
and there's no way you forgot that context

you made very veeery sure that you couldn't in any possible way be blamed if dunn flipped town

which makes me VERY sure you and dunn aren't scum together.

also, these posts.
495, 517, 527, 529, 530, 535, 537, 538, 554

it ain't dunn/dwlee, we can cross that off our lists, people.

do you think 495, 517, 527, 529, 530, 535, 537, 538, 554 imply that you and dunnstral could be on the same scum team?

or do you think it implies that you're not?

yes, I do.
And I think it implies we're not both scum cause, yknow, I'm town.

[zakk]

Spoiler: and here's nosferatu's mentions about anti

Anti wtf have you done

these are all completed games dw mod

Note: I like you as a player, regardless of your alignment in this or any given game we may play together in in the future. It's just that my mind keeps telling me you didn't just throw that suggestion w/o careful thought, and you're not a bad player not to have thought of the "other side" of it, so it looks to me like you were trying to sneak in bad logic on purpose there.

Except anti being in the hood was a suggestion of a flipped scum.

because scum had a spy.

Note: I like you as a player, regardless of your alignment in this or any given game we may play together in in the future. It's just that my mind keeps telling me you didn't just throw that suggestion w/o careful thought, and you're not a bad player not to have thought of the "other side" of it, so it looks to me like you were trying to sneak in bad logic on purpose there.

Except anti being in the hood was a suggestion of a flipped scum.

because scum had a spy.

Walk me through your reasoning here: Why does scum having a spy make them want antihero in the neighborhood?

they can see who he's going to investigate if he says so beforehand. That way they know when they can go ahead and nightkill them.

i want everyone's opinons on both dunnstral's and dwlee's reaction to me claiming a guilty on dunnstral.

uhh they're completely reasonable seeing as your guilty is bullshit because you're not investigative and antihero can't have made an action last night cause he's odd night.

anti literally has not been wrong in a single claim and his role is to balance the spy, he is pretty conf town.

I feel like maybe it's possible there's a scum traitor and that would counter anti's PT check but then the masons would probably not be scum then :/

What are your thoughts on antihero?

You don't care about his potential fake claim?

I believe it's true because it makes sense with the roles that have flipped so far.

VOTE: Nosferatu

lmao if you've accepted anti as town, I'm very likely town as well.

I'm willing to say Dwlee and Ranger instead of Dunn and Ranger but eck.

VOTE: nosferatu

If ranger is town it's also convenient for mafia to be trying to get a mason killed today

the reason for me wanting to not lynch a mason is because scum will kill antihero if we don't, because it gives them the highest probability of winning.

btw in case it was lost in my big post about alignments and who i wanna lynch



we should be looking for traitor interactions.

a traitor is someone who would provide a false negative for a PT-detector cop, and that'd be something that could have been added on TOP of a neighborizer, and masons.

who else thinks this could be a likelihood?

yes. I've been thinking there's a traitor for a bit now.

Do you think we should be worried that you are a traitor?

no since I'm town, but it'd be weird if it didn't cross your mind.

scum is definitely in {dwlee, dunnstral, ranger} if the masons aren't scum. I had a concrete scum read on dunn earlier but that kinda dissipated later on as the game continued. I had null reads on dwlee and ranger for most of the game which is why I was kinda drifting towards her wagon a few days ago to get her out of the way, but we didn't. So I'm switching between pretty frequently.

But even you said the best option for us is to lynch a mason, cause then antihero will get a clear if he lives, or if he dies I'm confirmed. And so is the last mason. The game will be EZ money with 2 confirmed town with no wifom. So why are you still opting for us to lynch someone else?

UNVOTE:

This would've been a lot better if we didn't lynch all of my town reads.

@zakk: why should we not lynch a mason if you've already detailed why it leads to the best case scenario?

that was when i wasn't considering you or anti might be scum

and i realized not considering that was pretty stupid

what are the odds that anti fake claims a role that actually fits into the setup and then proceeds to try to lynch a tracker who he knows is town, get another guilty on his scumbuddy securing a lynch, and then proceed to claim an inno on the last one.

@zakk do you have any traitor interactions between me and any flipped scum to justify suddenly scum reading me? Cause unless you do it's kinda dumb to insist that I'm not conf town upon anti's town flip

[Nosferatu]

@zakk do you have any traitor interactions between me and any flipped scum to justify suddenly scum reading me? Cause unless you do it's kinda dumb to insist that I'm not conf town upon anti's town flip

just trying to consider all possibilities here

also, suzune brought up to me in private that you and anti like never talked to each other ... i didn't double check. will do that now.

yeah I don't think we did.

[zakk]

do you think 495, 517, 527, 529, 530, 535, 537, 538, 554 imply that you and dunnstral could be on the same scum team?

or do you think it implies that you're not?

yes, I do.
And I think it implies we're not both scum cause, yknow, I'm town.

cool whatever

i don't give a fuck

so then

again

answer 5334 or i swear i will push this lynch through on you right now

[zakk]

also, suzune brought up to me in private that you and anti like never talked to each other ... i didn't double check. will do that now.

yeah I don't think we did.

why didn't/haven't you?


as "townies", shouldn't you be trying to figure the game out together?

[Dwlee99]

the yes I do is to earlier in the post where zakk asks if I think he is scum

[zakk]

dunn i'm kinda thinking dwlee/nos not dwlee/ranger

comments pls.