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[zakk]

KILL

[Skullduggery]

Day 7, Vote Count #14

Current Vote Count:

(3)

Ranger -- zakk, Dunnstral, Dwlee99

(0)

Nosferatu

(0)

Suzune

(1)

Dwlee99 -- Suzune

(1)

zakk -- Ranger

(0)

Antihero

(0)

Dunnstral

Not Voting:

Antihero, Nosferatu

With 7 votes available, it takes 4 votes to hammer.

Day 7 Will End on Wednesday, August 17th, at 8 p.m. eastern time.
Countdown: (expired on 2016-08-17 20:00:00)

[Dwlee99]

O__O

[zakk]

dwlee are u looking forward to this flip??



i am

[Dwlee99]

Ithink
idk

[zakk]

ok if ranger flips scum i'm ready to flip dunnstral now


i'm satisfied with you dwlee

i had to hardcore bust your balls to see if you were town lol

and eventually i think i got you to admit you were.

[zakk]

also

dude

i'm eating peanut butter and oreos like they talk about in the lindsay lohan parent trap and IT IS AMAZING

omg i love it. i'm gonna get so fat lmfao

[zakk]

okay portion control is hard when it's so fucking delicious

[zakk]

oh my gooooood it's been forty minutes

FUCKKKKKKK LOLOLOLOL

[Ranger]

I am completely ignoring her posts. You should too

"I am completely ignoring these good points, because they are good and I have no counter for them".

[Ranger]

let me guess, you're starting to think i'm scum now that i've reversed my townread on you.
is that it dwlee?

Like.
This is textbook scumplay.

You literally can't get more textbook than this.
He was called out on his read on Dwlee.
With absolutely no justification, he suddenly decides that he wants to push Dwlee.
He brings up reasons for Dwlee being scum, but there's no progression.

It's one minute, "Dwlee is town" no reasons.
The next, "Dwlee is scum, for these reasons".

This is zakk, as scum, trying to not be caught.

5327 is perfectly accurate.

[zakk]

if i was scum and didn't want to be caught i wouldn't have stuck my neck out for dead-weight Suzune

any halfway competent townie can see that a MILE off

[zakk]

you're going to be lynched ranger and that's pretty much that. no other lynch will be going through today.

IF you're town, and since i KNOW i'm town, what were your guesses for scum? dwlee and dunnstral, right?

[Ranger]

By the way, meant to mention this before. Diffusion of Power here is a game I had with Dunnstral. While he was mislynched there and I was scumreading him, it was largely off of his predecessor and his early posting. I was absent during the time when he towned things up. Had I been around, my scumread there would have changed. This is one reason why I think he's

not

scum this game: his iso there is comparable to here.

who do you think are the two scum pairs that makes the most sense, within: antihero
nosferatu
dwlee
dunnstral
ranger

{Dwlee, Dunnstral}, because it's literally

the only possible combination

. I know I'm town, Antihero's town, and by extent, Nosferatu's town.

That being said, I think it's pretty obvious which pair I think makes the MOST sense! And funnily enough, it includes one or two players

not

listed. (Gee, I wonder why?)

[zakk]

ughhhhh

unvote

[Ranger]

@Ranger I am willing to lynch Dwlee today

This is my worst-case scenario of worst-case scenarios when there's literally NO other options available.

We have not reached that point yet.

So I'll stay here advocating the death of the

actual

scum, thank you very much.

i have gone back and forth on all of you guys so much i dont even know, so i'm just throwing shit around and seeing where it sticks, and trying to make people see things every way possible

This is literally zakk claiming scum.

This is, quite literally, zakk claiming scum.

This is exactly what he said he'd do as scum.

Like...he said this behavior is something scum would do, how many days ago? Two? Three? I'm talking real-life days here. It might even be four. But it was RECENT. He, very recently, said this behavior was scum behavior. He was painting someone else doing it as them being scum.

And now, he's trying to claim that him doing it is town.

zakk.
is.
a.
known.
liar. and. hypocrite.

[Dunnstral]

ughhhhh

unvote

So who is scum to you?

[Ranger]

No joke.

Dunn keeps trying to make everyone lost faith in the strength of their reads

And I also realize you're doing what you've been doing all game, trying to get people to second guess themselves, and appealing to fear of being wrong.

still heavily leaning dunn/ranger but HOLY FUCK those two need to post.

This quote perfectly shows zakk casting shade on

four of the five non-him slots

. (Suzune is an extension of him, since he knows Suzune's alignment.)

I've also shown how you're willing to lynch basically anyone but you and ranger

Gee! This looks familiar. zakk, when he's making the accusation against SOMEONE ELSE, is saying, "you're willing to lynch basically anyone except one player". And yet...zakk has shown this attitude himself. More of the same:

I don't think Dunn is town, since he's willing to lynch anyone besides him or ranger basically

He plays like me as scum
You make everyone doubt themselves but have no clear direction you're pushing OTHERS in

^Already covered this one earlier, but here it is again!

i have gone back and forth on all of you guys so much i dont even know, so i'm just throwing shit around and seeing where it sticks, and trying to make people see things every way possible

So to summarize. He's saying he's willing to lynch anyone who isn't Suzune.

There's more to it than this, but the point has been made.

zakk is playing like scum.
zakk is playing like he

says

he plays as scum.
zakk is portraying the behaviors he says are scummy.

If it looks like scum.
And acts like scum.

Why the hell

isn't

it scum?
Not. once. Has an answer been given, other than, "...because?"

[zakk]

ranger.

i swear. to all. that is holy.

i am town.

this is my last game on site for a long long time.

i want to win REALLY REALLY BAD.


if you're town, then please know that suzune and i ARE VERY MUCH INDEED town.



yes, i realize you have seen my scum play.
YES, i realize that my scum play is really, REALLY fucking good.

i think my scum play is among

the very best on this entire site

, not to put too fine a point on it.



but not this game.

this game i'm town.

i've been town this entire time.

i will continue to be town long after i'm dead and flipped -- which i firmly believe will happen tonight

which is why i have pushed around SO many directions this game

trying SO hard to make EVERYONE in this endgame look scummy -- namely, to throw shit around and see what sticks.

and i KNOW that sounds scummy. it IS. one of the ways i BEST scumhunt is to not town shit up and get people to town read me (because i know that that can be genuine, and i have a REALLY hard time telling apart town and scum town-reading me, ESPECIALLY if

the BEST way i have found for ME, to scumhunt, is to act scummy, push ALL the directions, and try my best to figure out the game through brute force / data analysis.

PLEASE see this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66377

it is one of the ones i'm most proud of, since i a) figured everything out, and b) had all the scum trying to get me dead because i was right, but wanting to leave me alive because i was acting so scummy while i was figuring everything out

that is EXACTLY what i'm doing this game. and i am doing it even MORE so, because this game i have the straight up ANCHOR of suzune, who in all honesty is really the only reason i'm still posting in this game right now.

while i was busy with other games at the earlier parts of this game, i felt okay to coast

i didn't realize i was replacing someone who was kinda scummy. oh well. i didn't read the game

but i had suzune. she, too, gave me an excuse to coast, simply by existing. "oh well, if things get dicey, we can always claim"

i got REALLY mad at fireassassin. do you think that shit comes from scum? honestly. i would not lie about that.
fireassassin was a total asshole, and deserved what he got. if we lose this game because we lynched his ass, i'll consider it a win anyway, simply because he was being such an asshole. that's how strongly i felt about it. still feel, tbh.

he PM'd me on his main (didn't know it was him co-modding mass effect at the time), asking me a favor, to replace in somewhere
i was like "no, if you're fire assassin, fuck off", and he was like "dude fam chill" and i was like "no you fucking chill. and fuck off"

i was literally INCENSED. in a RAGE.



ranger. please listen to me.

i think dwlee is town.

if you're also town, i think it's dunnstral/nos.

there's a creeping suspicion in my mind that it's anti

because dwlee and suzune have said it so many times

and it'd be a GREAT play to bus varsoon. GREAT play.

but when it comes down to it, i'd vote nosferatu


if antihero is scum, GG. like seriously. cause i won't vote there today, and if he lives the night and i die... i'd probably recommend people trusting him tomorrow too.

here the choices again, tbh.

1. kill antihero
2. kill a mason

if antihero is scum, a mason WILL die.
and a result will be claimed on one of the non-lynched of you(ranger)/dunnstral/dwlee

and then town will have to choose to either trust antihero or not.




however, i'm thinking (again) that maybe it's the best play to lynch a mason.
i don't want it to be me, obv. suzune i love you to death, but i would choose it to be you.

either way i wanna survive to tomorrow.


ok so. here's how it'd go down

suzune is lynched, i am conftown.

THEN, it's me vs antihero.

if antihero is scum, i'll die for pretty much certain, because i'm the only MOD CONFIRMED TOWNIE IN THE GAME.

if antihero is TOWN, then HE'LL die for pretty much certain, because he'd narrow things down to an almost impossible scenario for scum to win.



ehhhh.



but if we lynch outside the masons/anti-nos, we get

4 alive (2 deftown 2 probtown)
2 unconfirmeds
1 flip

and 1 of the unconfirmeds will have an antihero result on them tomorrow unless anti dies

if anti is scum and decides to shoot a NON MASON just to make it look like we're scum, then we're screwed, antihero wins, along with whoever he's scum with (maybe nos, maybe NOT, tbh)


but i doubt that, so


all things considered it's still better to lynch outside of masons/anti-nos.


thoughts ranger? and this entire post is directed at you specifically.

regardless of whether you think i'm scum still

(if you still do, i can't help it, but please address this post based on the merits of my thoughts, not based on what you think i'm trying to connive other people into doing. please respond to this post as if you believe i'm town, and then AFTER you can be like "buuuut all that's moot cause you're scum" if you want to)

please.

please.

please.


I REALLY REALLY REALLY bad want to win this game, and if you're town, i (probably) (maybe?) can't do it without your help.

[zakk]

ughhhhh

unvote

So who is scum to you?

idk, obviously, otherwise i would have fucking torched the SHIT out of somebody right now

it's pretty obvious i'm the most invincible person in the game right now

if i wanted someone dead they'd be dead.




so pretty obviously, i have no fucking idea who's scum. lol

[Ranger]

Dwlee beat me to my point in 5360, which is beginning to increase my townread there, though I have to ask Dwlee:
You're seeing zakk's posting as scummy.
You're pointing out things that I see as scummy.
But at the time of that post...
You were, last I checked, not voting anyone.

So, why the hell are you ignoring the obvious logical progression of "these things are scummy from zakk", which would be...voting zakk?

admitting to doing something scummy doesn't make it less scummy

Apparently, it does, because I've been pointing out why zakk's scum for days now (both real-life AND game!), and his response, and I QUOTE,

Damn I really did do that. Hot damn I'm sexy as scum. I think it's because I think of what I'd do as town and do that.

"Oh? That's a thing I did? Well, it's not scum, you can trust me!"

And you know what?

You're buying it

.
Because if you weren't.
zakk would be dead by now. We'd have lynched him.

(it's also the exact opposite of what ranger says i'm doing, which is killing people who aren't my "scumreads" so that i can have people to suspect today. lol)

Not really. The points augment each other. Your push on everyone not-Suzune?
100% THIS phase only. Before then, your pushes were more strategic.

[Ranger]

Because if Ranger is town she should be fine lynching Dwlee.

I will if it comes down to it.

Otherwise, no.

Push come to shove.

Dwlee is towning it up in his exchange with zakk.

zakk is continuing to scum it up in his exchange with literally everyone. His exchange with you is bad. His exchange with Nosferatu wasn't great. His exchange with Dwlee is godawful. His exchange with me can be summed up as being an entire lack of one.

So, I'm lynching a "mason" claim today unless you give me a considerably compelling reason not to. (E.g.: the options are between lynching conftown and lynching Dwlee. But I trust in the competency of players to have not let that have happened in the last six players, or if it has, for it to easily be reversible.)

[zakk]

ranger, please keep in mind

1. as scum, i would have NOT claimed to save suzune, if i was scum with her. that was a high-risk, low-reward move as scum (and you KNOW i'm good as scum)

2. as scum, i could easily have lynched dunnstral with a fake guilty earlier today. or camped my votes on ANYONE today. i have set the tone today. very strongly. and yet, i have not lynched anyone. if you haven't noticed, i've chickened out each time someone got to L-1. why? don't fucking ask me, because i don't know. but i have. and i'm town as fuck.

3. as scum, do you REALLY think me and suzune are academy award winning actor and actress? like, what the fuck would we have to DO to make you people not think we're scum?

4. i have proven many times that both suzune AND myself are town, BASED ON POSTS THAT FLIPPED SCUM HAVE MADE.

5. the sheer unlikelihood that we're scum, decided it was a good idea to fakeclaim masons, and i just faked our entire chat history for town cred, and also every single thing we've done the entire time this game, is completely consistent with us being masons first and foremost, and has been from the very first post of the game. we have never voted each other. we have never thrown shade on each other. any disagreement we've had, has happened completely naturally, and there has been BOTH a public topic AND a private topic side of it, which would be nearly IMPOSSIBLE to fake as scum, unless, again, you think we're an academy award winning actor and actress.

6. and if you do think we're academy award winning actor and actress, then why the hell were we run up in the first place and forced to claim?


if you still think we're scum after reading this post, then you HAVE to be scum yourself.
either that, or you will try to lynch us for the rest of your life, and scum will NEVER kill you.

and for better or for worse
that means i'm fine lynching you and never looking back, no matter WHAT the flip.

kind of like fireassassin.




so weigh that carefully into your calculations.

1. if you're scum and refuse to believe we're town, you lose
2. if you're TOWN, and refuse to believe we're town, you lose (and incidentally, so do we)

but it's 50/50 for me, and it's 100/0 for you

so think about that real long and hard please


because like i said

i really REALLY wanna win this game, and 50% is better than nothing.

[zakk]

ok i'm out for the night. goodnight people.

ranger, i look forward to waking up to you either seeing reason, or conversely, you just outright claiming scum.

[Ranger]

VOTE: suzune

VOTE: Suzune.

all non-suzune three townies in this game recognize the effort i've been putting in

Effort != alignment.

I recognize you've

exponentially

increased your output this phase.
But you have EVERY reason to do that as scum. Everyone does, actually, and, in a

shocking

turn of events, short of maybe Suzune and MAYBE Nosferatu, I'm absolutely 100% positive EVERYONE this game has put in more effort in. That's five players, but you of course know that Suzune/Nosferatu is not a possible scumteam.

It's weird how both ranger and dwlee were sort of pushing the theory "nos is town because there wouldn't be 3 mafia voting in a row"

What.
I never did this.
I said that the wagon on Brian Hollywood would not have any more scum on it. That's because Antihero's on it (Antihero is town), Nosferatu's on it (I don't buy any BS about a traitor, so Nosferatu's town), and I'm on it.
In short:
I 100% know that wagon has no more scum on it.