Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

[DrippingGoofball]

Valhalla who scum claimed.

??????????????

[DrippingGoofball]

an outed negative utility role such as Egg's self proclaimed roleblock you should announce your target in your first post so people know what you did

Where the hell does that come from? I've been playing for 11 years and it's the first time I hear of this.

[DrippingGoofball]

I got an action failure last night when I investigated DGB to see if he had a gun.

...so there's that.

How did you investigate anyone after claiming one shot Neopolitan? One shot gets results means shot is done.

[DrippingGoofball]

Look at his text again. He was gunsmithing DGB. He's a joat.

nvm

[DrippingGoofball]

if there are any more JOATS out there DO NOT CLAIM UNLESS YOU HAVE AN ACTUAL GUILTY ON SOMEONE PLEASE

Seriously Math of course he did not claim JOAT

look at the night kills

grumble grumble

Are you assuming all JOATs are town?

[VA-11 Hall-A]

@Math and Shaziro - are you smoking a mix of unregulated synthesized chemicals dipped in embalming fluid out of a cracked lightbulb?


Dunn contributed to this because he actually took you calling us scum seriously, bless his poor little heart -- but what Shaziro initially posted does not even attempt to resemble a valid reason that we are scum. I think he actually believes that it does, which is even worse.

I don't even think Dunn knows that song. Maybe he does? Maybe it doesn't fucking matter because this push is the LITERAL definition of REACH. If you want to push us and not be viewed as lunatics, please have reasons centered around our play and not your delusions.

I'm blue

da ba dee da ba die

Totally out of nowhere, no relevance to the situation. Actual relevance now that we know there is a blue team.

VOTE: Va-11 Hall-A

It was a reference to Transcend's site of choice

Context is important

-Dunn

Not that me speaking on this holds any weight because, I am, in fact, biased to support... MYSELF, but he's not lying. Blue is what they call villagers on epicmafia.


MathBlade, I seem to recall you strongly opposing CCC's lynch and calling CB scum when it's obvious that CB is not scum. I could assume that you're scum off that but I'm just going to say you're town that should be ignored for now or lynched when it becomes too much from the evidence presented to me, which is what I do in these scenarios, I try to look for evidence that isn't composed of bullshit to back my points. I know, it's an

unorthodox

strategy but you guys should REALLY look into it sometimes. I only fuck around and lose games by being a blatant moron, which I haven't denied that I am, but I don't deliberately play against wincon.

Myself and Dunn are townier than you guys will ever be, lol. Are we going to end this simple simon bullshit here or do I have to backhand Math's case when they present one? Shaziro too, you can tag along if it helps.


All this for two little votes. I'm ecstatic.

I'll also say I fully support my partner's vote, that is of course why WE voted him hahaha..ha... haha...

but the only context for that being a joke about epicmafia comes in -after- you said it, with somebody else taking it as a joke. Which you did nothing to confirm or deny, and you instead just put up more lyrics to the song.

>Everyone is claiming vanilla town
>I say "I'm blue" which means vt in epicmafia (which this is not epicmafia) which transcend who was right there would know about
>Transcend reacts
>I play it off as the song

Yeah, Dunn likes to do this shit. He gets into situations that HE creates and in situations where it would be better to be honest, he continues to try to bluff. We're working on this though, it's a 10 step program.

[Skelda]

I'm not convinced about Shaziro being scum. I think Shaziro and MathBlade are both Town. I think over-analyzing stuff like that is Townish. But I still think it is a bad reason to suspect someone.

Maybe I can understand if you think it's null-aligned, but how could it possibly be town-aligned to make nonsensical arguments?

I think he believes his arguments. Plus if he was scum and believed his argument he could go to his chat with this, unless he was blue scum himself.

[Skelda]

I got an action failure last night when I investigated DGB to see if he had a gun.

...so there's that.

My action on DGB also failed so this is interesting to me. Is DGB maybe ascetic? I know she claimed to be 1-shot BP.

[Skelda]

Or wait, didn't a Neo get the result that DGB wasn't a VT? So that can't be.

[Skelda]

I'm citizen/neighbour and the rules had me believe this would test positive to a neap. I guess the clarification by wake means I was wrong...

UNVOTE:

This makes sense to me.

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: Table of what I think has everything so far

	Player Name	Important Info	Role	Alive or Dead
1	Creature
2	TownBlock (Dwlee99 / Murdercat / McMenno)
3	DrippingGoofball		Claimed VT, Claimed One Shot BP after Neo
4	PeregrineV
5	Blackstar		Friendly Neighbor	Dead
6	VA-11 Hall-A (Dunnstral / Zachstralkita)
7	serrapaladin		Claimed VT, iroanavp currently claiming serrapaladin is lying
8	Skybird
9	hebichan
10	Narna
11	Varsoon		Claimed one shot Neo, somehow checks twice
12	Egg		RBs Valhalla << Sketchiness here for other reasons
13	Blanche (gigabyteTroubadour / kraska77)		Jailkeeper/Neighbor	Dead
14	Aeronaut *
15	Elitism (Transcend / MariaR / gerryoat)
16	boring
17	amalgam (davesaz / Yume / randomidget)		Claimed Mason
18	RachMarie		Claimed Mason
19	Fire Assassin		Ascetic Citizen/Neighbor	Dead
20	Seraphim
21	Bacde		JOAT[Watcher/Follower/Neapolitan/Commuter/Doctor/Roleblocker]	Dead
22	Drixx
23	CCC		2 shot voyeur	Dead
24	iraonavp		Claimed VT, Claimed Neopolitan when pressured
25	Comparing Realities Accountant		JOAT[Cop/Watcher/Doctor/Motion Detector/Neapolitan/Jailkeeper]	Dead
26	Elyse
27	Cookie Bakers (Titus / Shiro)		Claimed Gunsmith
28	KlingonCelt		Claimed Mason
29	Map Wolf BBMolla
30	Lapsa
31	Foxbird		Voyeur/Neighbor	Dead
32	shos		Motion Detector/Neighbor	Dead
33	Boem_u_dusi		Claims Town PR, crumbs lover, crumbs cop, claims watcher, gets results cooberated by Egg << Sketchiness here
34	Almost50
35	Skelda
36	Hot Chocolate		One Shot Bulletproof	Dead
37	long_island_medium
38	Bellaphant *
39	Thor665 AlpacaAlpaca
40	Shaziro
41	Parama		Bodyguard/Neighbor	Dead
42	Mathblade		"Wait so Derek Jeter is famous and he didn't take steroids, or beat or murder his girlfriend or wife? I'm not sure I understand. " -- Warren Holstein

Town dead: 9 Blue Mafia dead: 1 Other Mafia dead: 0 Other dead: 0Players alive: 32

Spoiler: Them scums be talking yo

First, I am nigh on positive the scum teams are crumbing to each other.

Let's assume the scum teams are evenly distributed with X players. Let's assume Y scum teams and no SK for simplicity's sake in explaining the calculations.

This means 41- XY = Town players. (removing hot chocolate who was lynched and was town)

For the first night a given scum team won't shoot themselves which means they have a pool of 41-X -X(Y-1) players to shoot that are town. Conversely X(Y-1) players that can be shot that are scum.

So the probability that one team shoots scum is 41-(X(Y-1)) / remaining players available to shoot which is 41-X.
This must be multiplied out to get the probability of every scum team not hitting scum.

So this can be seen in practical numbers let's take Wake's original hypothesis of 32/5/5 and two vigs. (It may or may not be right but it removes it from algebra for people to see numbers)

One scum team then has the possibility of shooting town (36-5*1/41-5) = 31/36 of hitting town which is ~86%.
Now let's take that and multiply that by 86% to account for the probability of both scum teams doing it which is 74%.

Now let's take the vigs and calculate that in. Those have odds of 41-XY of hitting town. (for this practical scenario this is 31/41) which is approximately 75%.
The odds of both vigs hitting town is approximately 57%.

Now the odds of all four of those things are 42%. One night it's not the most likely thing but it is reasonably possible.

Now let's take a look at what happens when the number of alive town reduced. (Again will use practical numbers here, this may or may not be the setup. )
There were 6 deaths so far in the game which makes 36 players at the start of N2.
The team with 5 scum left have 27/31 chance of hitting town. ~87% chance of hitting town.
The team with 4 scum left have a 27/32 chance of hitting town. ~84% chance of hitting town.
Multiplied together this is approximately 73% chance of both scum teams hitting town.
The two vigs have a chance of 27/36 chance of hitting town. This is a 56% chance of hitting town.

Multiplying 73% and 56% is approximately a 40% chance of hitting scum. Again, isolated isn't all that unlikely.

However TOGETHER both nights is an approximately 17% chance of this happening.
Therefore the most likely scenario here is that scum are likely cross communicating.
The next question becomes HOW:

Spoiler: Scum claims and communication

This begs the question as to how scum would do this and not get caught. Obviously not all the scum would be doing it, else the scum teams would just lose to the other. (Assuming a two scum team scenario.) (I'm assuming this because if not a two town scenario the probabilities get ridiculously low that scum aren't cross communicating.)

I think they are doing this through two different ways:
Through song and through the use of the word "blue". Titus IMHO has been coordinating and spearheading this effort by posting random songs and nonsense and trying to hide which ones are genuine and which ones aren't. Post 2692 seems to collaborate this rather well.

Let's look at the people who have posted songs/lyrics/poems: (That I could find..If I missed some please point them out)
1) Lapsa
2) Boem_u_dusi (more on this later)
One crumbs lovers, another crumbs cop, yet boem claims watcher and uses it twice. This discounts JOAT. Boem strikes me as a man of purpose.
3) Cookie Bakers (so many times it's ridiculous)
4) Valhalla - More into why it's a scumclaim in a moment
5) Elitism -- More on this in a moment.

Now let's look at the people who have posted the word blue in reference to themselves or an action/read:
1) Valhalla --- I'm blue dabu dee da bu die is an Eiffel65 reference It's also very obscure. Most of the players are younger players. This likely means this was a message targeted specifically to an older player such as Titus. As noted in the game I replaced into they did no such crumb.
2) Boem_u_dusi -- I originally only caught the cop lyrics which made me town read them. Then they claimed watcher and I went what the fuck in my head and then they got accurate results on Egg roleblocking Valhalla. Why didn't Boem push this? Answer: They are likely aligned with Valhalla and CCC. This is further indicated by the blue postings. This means, Egg is likely scum on the other team.
3) Elitism -- Specifically this post (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8220434)
Now that we know one of the teams are the blue team this means that this post by Elitism is all kinds of wackiness.
Roses are red -- Meaning one scum team is likely RED.
Violets are blue -- Revealed scum team.
This guy is scum --- Likely crumb.

This makes Elitism, Valhalla, CCC, and Boem, Skelda likely all the blue team.
Based on the other song lyrics this makes lapsa, CookieBakers, and any other song posters likely scum for the red team. (DGB also gets added to this list too)

Spoiler: VCA

Now let's take a look at the VCA.
1) Titus's post was NOT a guilty. Continuing to think of it as such is inaccurate. I did defend CCC and I have no regrets about how I played that out. I also did not back off CB at all. I was trying to figure out whether they were town or scum because some of the weird ass songs and sounds make no sense.

In night 2 I started ripping apart VCs and seeing who was on both Hot Chocolate and CCC and who was only on one and who was only on another.
What was really interesting is Skelda's vote pattern. They started on CCC then switched to DGB then switched back to CCC. This along with Titus's weird defense of DGB and that weird iroanavp fight makes me strongly suspect those two are scum together. Titus would be one to suggest a weird gambit for iroanavp and Dripping Goofball to claim VT but I don't see her trying to run this many gambits while being in a hydra. Therefore one of DGB or iroanavp hydra likely scum. Based on iroanavp learning and their posts today I'd lean Titus/DGB especially since they never explained those posts. I also got frustrated at Titus because a gunsmith exists to confirm town not "guilties".

I am further guessing since Titus completely bastardized the play of gunsmith AND refuses to out what is a likely innocent and force scum to shoot in a group of townies that I am missing a cross communication that identified CCC as scum and that Titus wanted to lynch one of he scums to make sure scum bend to the other team's will.

Spoiler: Too long didn't read who do I think is scum

This makes Elitism, Valhalla, CCC, and Boem, Skelda likely all the blue team.
Based on the other song lyrics this makes lapsa, CookieBakers, Egg, DGB likely scum for the red team.Outside chance of iroanavp but I doubt it. Varsoon is either dumb town for lying after we said not to or is a JoaT and town aligned. Either way he is NOT a one shot neo and needs further examination as well. Egg would also be in this pairing for their weird as fuck alignments stuff. That fifth spot I'm still iffy on.

VOTE: VA-11 Hall-A

[RachMarie]

@ DGB

That is actually a good point I have never played in a game with a scum JOAT IIRC

but this is a 42 player game he tried to get balanced while being role madness instead of just going full on bastard

hmmm will think on that

oh and if there are any scum JOATS please tell us

[hebichan]

I can vote egg, yeah.

Its really weird that that particular neighborhood has a double roleblock thing going on and I would like to sort it soon as possible.

VOTE: egg

[VA-11 Hall-A]

Spoiler: Table of what I think has everything so far

	Player Name	Important Info	Role	Alive or Dead
1	Creature
2	TownBlock (Dwlee99 / Murdercat / McMenno)
3	DrippingGoofball		Claimed VT, Claimed One Shot BP after Neo
4	PeregrineV
5	Blackstar		Friendly Neighbor	Dead
6	VA-11 Hall-A (Dunnstral / Zachstralkita)
7	serrapaladin		Claimed VT, iroanavp currently claiming serrapaladin is lying
8	Skybird
9	hebichan
10	Narna
11	Varsoon		Claimed one shot Neo, somehow checks twice
12	Egg		RBs Valhalla << Sketchiness here for other reasons
13	Blanche (gigabyteTroubadour / kraska77)		Jailkeeper/Neighbor	Dead
14	Aeronaut *
15	Elitism (Transcend / MariaR / gerryoat)
16	boring
17	amalgam (davesaz / Yume / randomidget)		Claimed Mason
18	RachMarie		Claimed Mason
19	Fire Assassin		Ascetic Citizen/Neighbor	Dead
20	Seraphim
21	Bacde		JOAT[Watcher/Follower/Neapolitan/Commuter/Doctor/Roleblocker]	Dead
22	Drixx
23	CCC		2 shot voyeur	Dead
24	iraonavp		Claimed VT, Claimed Neopolitan when pressured
25	Comparing Realities Accountant		JOAT[Cop/Watcher/Doctor/Motion Detector/Neapolitan/Jailkeeper]	Dead
26	Elyse
27	Cookie Bakers (Titus / Shiro)		Claimed Gunsmith
28	KlingonCelt		Claimed Mason
29	Map Wolf BBMolla
30	Lapsa
31	Foxbird		Voyeur/Neighbor	Dead
32	shos		Motion Detector/Neighbor	Dead
33	Boem_u_dusi		Claims Town PR, crumbs lover, crumbs cop, claims watcher, gets results cooberated by Egg << Sketchiness here
34	Almost50
35	Skelda
36	Hot Chocolate		One Shot Bulletproof	Dead
37	long_island_medium
38	Bellaphant *
39	Thor665 AlpacaAlpaca
40	Shaziro
41	Parama		Bodyguard/Neighbor	Dead
42	Mathblade		"Wait so Derek Jeter is famous and he didn't take steroids, or beat or murder his girlfriend or wife? I'm not sure I understand. " -- Warren Holstein

Town dead: 9 Blue Mafia dead: 1 Other Mafia dead: 0 Other dead: 0Players alive: 32

Spoiler: Them scums be talking yo

First, I am nigh on positive the scum teams are crumbing to each other.

Let's assume the scum teams are evenly distributed with X players. Let's assume Y scum teams and no SK for simplicity's sake in explaining the calculations.

This means 41- XY = Town players. (removing hot chocolate who was lynched and was town)

For the first night a given scum team won't shoot themselves which means they have a pool of 41-X -X(Y-1) players to shoot that are town. Conversely X(Y-1) players that can be shot that are scum.

So the probability that one team shoots scum is 41-(X(Y-1)) / remaining players available to shoot which is 41-X.
This must be multiplied out to get the probability of every scum team not hitting scum.

So this can be seen in practical numbers let's take Wake's original hypothesis of 32/5/5 and two vigs. (It may or may not be right but it removes it from algebra for people to see numbers)

One scum team then has the possibility of shooting town (36-5*1/41-5) = 31/36 of hitting town which is ~86%.
Now let's take that and multiply that by 86% to account for the probability of both scum teams doing it which is 74%.

Now let's take the vigs and calculate that in. Those have odds of 41-XY of hitting town. (for this practical scenario this is 31/41) which is approximately 75%.
The odds of both vigs hitting town is approximately 57%.

Now the odds of all four of those things are 42%. One night it's not the most likely thing but it is reasonably possible.

Now let's take a look at what happens when the number of alive town reduced. (Again will use practical numbers here, this may or may not be the setup. )
There were 6 deaths so far in the game which makes 36 players at the start of N2.
The team with 5 scum left have 27/31 chance of hitting town. ~87% chance of hitting town.
The team with 4 scum left have a 27/32 chance of hitting town. ~84% chance of hitting town.
Multiplied together this is approximately 73% chance of both scum teams hitting town.
The two vigs have a chance of 27/36 chance of hitting town. This is a 56% chance of hitting town.

Multiplying 73% and 56% is approximately a 40% chance of hitting scum. Again, isolated isn't all that unlikely.

However TOGETHER both nights is an approximately 17% chance of this happening.
Therefore the most likely scenario here is that scum are likely cross communicating.
The next question becomes HOW:

Spoiler: Scum claims and communication

This begs the question as to how scum would do this and not get caught. Obviously not all the scum would be doing it, else the scum teams would just lose to the other. (Assuming a two scum team scenario.) (I'm assuming this because if not a two town scenario the probabilities get ridiculously low that scum aren't cross communicating.)

I think they are doing this through two different ways:
Through song and through the use of the word "blue". Titus IMHO has been coordinating and spearheading this effort by posting random songs and nonsense and trying to hide which ones are genuine and which ones aren't. Post 2692 seems to collaborate this rather well.

Let's look at the people who have posted songs/lyrics/poems: (That I could find..If I missed some please point them out)
1) Lapsa
2) Boem_u_dusi (more on this later)
One crumbs lovers, another crumbs cop, yet boem claims watcher and uses it twice. This discounts JOAT. Boem strikes me as a man of purpose.
3) Cookie Bakers (so many times it's ridiculous)
4) Valhalla - More into why it's a scumclaim in a moment
5) Elitism -- More on this in a moment.

Now let's look at the people who have posted the word blue in reference to themselves or an action/read:
1) Valhalla --- I'm blue dabu dee da bu die is an Eiffel65 reference It's also very obscure. Most of the players are younger players. This likely means this was a message targeted specifically to an older player such as Titus. As noted in the game I replaced into they did no such crumb.
2) Boem_u_dusi -- I originally only caught the cop lyrics which made me town read them. Then they claimed watcher and I went what the fuck in my head and then they got accurate results on Egg roleblocking Valhalla. Why didn't Boem push this? Answer: They are likely aligned with Valhalla and CCC. This is further indicated by the blue postings. This means, Egg is likely scum on the other team.
3) Elitism -- Specifically this post (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8220434)
Now that we know one of the teams are the blue team this means that this post by Elitism is all kinds of wackiness.
Roses are red -- Meaning one scum team is likely RED.
Violets are blue -- Revealed scum team.
This guy is scum --- Likely crumb.

This makes Elitism, Valhalla, CCC, and Boem, Skelda likely all the blue team.
Based on the other song lyrics this makes lapsa, CookieBakers, and any other song posters likely scum for the red team. (DGB also gets added to this list too)

Spoiler: VCA

Now let's take a look at the VCA.
1) Titus's post was NOT a guilty. Continuing to think of it as such is inaccurate. I did defend CCC and I have no regrets about how I played that out. I also did not back off CB at all. I was trying to figure out whether they were town or scum because some of the weird ass songs and sounds make no sense.

In night 2 I started ripping apart VCs and seeing who was on both Hot Chocolate and CCC and who was only on one and who was only on another.
What was really interesting is Skelda's vote pattern. They started on CCC then switched to DGB then switched back to CCC. This along with Titus's weird defense of DGB and that weird iroanavp fight makes me strongly suspect those two are scum together. Titus would be one to suggest a weird gambit for iroanavp and Dripping Goofball to claim VT but I don't see her trying to run this many gambits while being in a hydra. Therefore one of DGB or iroanavp hydra likely scum. Based on iroanavp learning and their posts today I'd lean Titus/DGB especially since they never explained those posts. I also got frustrated at Titus because a gunsmith exists to confirm town not "guilties".

I am further guessing since Titus completely bastardized the play of gunsmith AND refuses to out what is a likely innocent and force scum to shoot in a group of townies that I am missing a cross communication that identified CCC as scum and that Titus wanted to lynch one of he scums to make sure scum bend to the other team's will.

Spoiler: Too long didn't read who do I think is scum

This makes Elitism, Valhalla, CCC, and Boem, Skelda likely all the blue team.
Based on the other song lyrics this makes lapsa, CookieBakers, Egg, DGB likely scum for the red team.Outside chance of iroanavp but I doubt it. Varsoon is either dumb town for lying after we said not to or is a JoaT and town aligned. Either way he is NOT a one shot neo and needs further examination as well. Egg would also be in this pairing for their weird as fuck alignments stuff. That fifth spot I'm still iffy on.

VOTE: VA-11 Hall-A

lmfao im crying

[RachMarie]

so join the math wagon

seriously math is scumz they are pinging my scumdar something fierce

So could you explain like I am 5 why in the he double hockey stick you talked about being blue Vall?

I believe that was dunn who said that IIRC?

[Wake1]

Official Vote Count

3.02

MathBlade

(5): RachMarie, Cookie Bakers, Lapsa, Elitism, boring

Egg

(4): VA-11 Hall-A, Narna, Creature, hebichan

VA-11 Hall-A

(2): Shaziro, MathBlade

serrapaladin

(1): iraonavp

Elitism

(1): Thor665

Not Voting

(19): serrapaladin, Klingoncelt, Almost50, Boem_u_dusi, Map Wolf, Elyse, Bellaphant, Drixx, DrippingGoofball, long_island_medium, PeregrineV, Varsoon, Skelda, amalgam, Skybird, Aeronaut, Egg, TownBlock, Seraphim

With 32 alive, it takes 17 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-03 23:00:00)

[Cookie Bakers]

Math, drop the scumteams crumbing to each other. It's neigh on dumb. Like totally.

Can you explain the "weirdness" with Boem? The night actions aren't really making sense to us.

You're scumreading like all my townreads. Like there's not a single name on that list I want to lynch today Math.

You also claimed the masons were scum. Like everyone who has posted today in your TDL is just bad.

@DGB scum joats are a thing

[MathBlade]

so join the math wagon

seriously math is scumz they are pinging my scumdar something fierce

So could you explain like I am 5 why in the he double hockey stick you talked about being blue Vall?

I believe that was dunn who said that IIRC?

Look at my wall for the blue stuff Rach -- It is in my scum claims and communication section more than one person has mentioned blue.

[Lapsa]

Also town reading
Para

me too

[Creature]

Math, you forgot TownBlock claimed roleblocker who roleblocked Valhala.

[MathBlade]

Math, drop the scumteams crumbing to each other. It's neigh on dumb. Like totally.

Can you explain the "weirdness" with Boem? The night actions aren't really making sense to us.

You're scumreading like all my townreads. Like there's not a single name on that list I want to lynch today Math.

You also claimed the masons were scum. Like everyone who has posted today in your TDL is just bad.

@DGB scum joats are a thing

1) I am reading you as scum.
2) It is very unlikely scum aren't crumbing/talking to each other at this point. It just doesn't add up. You're telling me to drop something when almost every little bit says it does.
And oh wait I'm supposed to trust a scum read who has a likely innocent they won't out that scum aren't crumbing to each other...

How about hell to the goddamn no.

The weirdness with boem is the first crumbed lover, then crumbed cop, then claimed watcher, had an accurate result, outed Egg as roleblocker, didn't push, then claimed watcher again
Watcher N2 results: Drixx, Comparing Realities, and Lapsa have targeted Cookie Bakers. << here
Then in prior beginning of D1 said their role was shit.

Watcher is not shit.

At that point in time I thought the masons claim was shit based on how Fire posted in our PT. However, after pushing I backed the hell off because it was likely genuine.

@Creature -- Thanks will add that.
TownBlock needs to post their results too.

[RachMarie]

yeah there is that too creature

[Lapsa]

Based on the other song lyrics this makes lapsa, CookieBakers, and any other song posters likely scum for the red team. (DGB also gets added to this list too)

[Cookie Bakers]

UNVOTE: Math

Shiro and I are thinking Math might just be insane town.

I am willing to hear more on Boem for now. It seems weird that scum would just let us both go.

[MathBlade]

	Player Name	Important Info	Role	Alive or Dead
1	Creature
2	TownBlock (Dwlee99 / Murdercat / McMenno)
3	DrippingGoofball		Claimed VT, Claimed One Shot BP after Neo
4	PeregrineV
5	Blackstar		Friendly Neighbor	Dead
6	VA-11 Hall-A (Dunnstral / Zachstralkita)
7	serrapaladin		Claimed VT, iroanavp currently claiming serrapaladin is lying
8	Skybird
9	hebichan
10	Narna
11	Varsoon		Claimed one shot Neo, somehow checks twice
12	Egg		RBs Valhalla << Sketchiness here for other reasons
13	Blanche (gigabyteTroubadour / kraska77)		Jailkeeper/Neighbor	Dead
14	Aeronaut *
15	Elitism (Transcend / MariaR / gerryoat)
16	boring
17	amalgam (davesaz / Yume / randomidget)		Claimed Mason
18	RachMarie		Claimed Mason
19	Fire Assassin		Ascetic Citizen/Neighbor	Dead
20	Seraphim
21	Bacde		JOAT[Watcher/Follower/Neapolitan/Commuter/Doctor/Roleblocker]	Dead
22	Drixx
23	CCC		2 shot voyeur	Dead
24	iraonavp		Claimed VT, Claimed Neopolitan when pressured
25	Comparing Realities Accountant		JOAT[Cop/Watcher/Doctor/Motion Detector/Neapolitan/Jailkeeper]	Dead
26	Elyse
27	Cookie Bakers (Titus / Shiro)		Claimed Gunsmith
28	KlingonCelt		Claimed Mason
29	Map Wolf BBMolla
30	Lapsa
31	Foxbird		Voyeur/Neighbor	Dead
32	shos		Motion Detector/Neighbor	Dead
33	Boem_u_dusi		Claims Town PR, crumbs lover, crumbs cop, claims watcher, gets results cooberated by Egg << Sketchiness here
34	Almost50
35	Skelda
36	Hot Chocolate		One Shot Bulletproof	Dead
37	long_island_medium
38	Bellaphant *
39	Thor665 AlpacaAlpaca
40	Shaziro
41	Parama		Bodyguard/Neighbor	Dead
42	Mathblade		"Wait so Derek Jeter is famous and he didn't take steroids, or beat or murder his girlfriend or wife? I'm not sure I understand. " -- Warren Holstein

Town dead: 9 Blue Mafia dead: 1 Other Mafia dead: 0 Other dead: 0Players alive: 32

Updated table.

Would much rather lynch Valhalla who said to lynch them based on their play and then I mention an argument based on their play (e.g. not pushing Egg (or townblock but really Egg is scummier of the two) IMHO it would be because it'd reflect on him and IMHO Valhalla wants to lynch town.

Based on how little you are pushing me on, changing my reads after a night of reflection and being AFK during the end of the day, you are either scum or scum are hopping on or both. I have no problem dying to prove it, in fact it is more ideal if a townie dies for it to be me.

Between that and not outing your likely gunsmith innocent
Pushing me for having a life
Calling your gunsmith a guilty when it damn sure isn't a guilty and could have lynched a town PR role.
The obv towning of DGB early in the game for no reason I can see.
Calling iroanavp scum and then when your initial thought is validated calling him town.
As scum you like to townbeard a highly scumread player. I think you picked iroanavp.