"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
Nah, most likely scumpartners for Joe are GL/Infinity/TNE and I think GL/TNE has most chance of flipping scum.
GL is scummiest by far imo and most connections to Joe. Joe was townreading him early game even before anyone suspected Joe so I really don't think it was him trying to throw us off - it's him townreading his actual scumpartner.
In post 928, rb wrote:GL is scummiest by far imo and most connections to Joe. Joe was townreading him early game even before anyone suspected Joe so I really don't think it was him trying to throw us off - it's him townreading his actual scumpartner.
and yet Joe called you town due to a townslip, yet didn't actually want to fully commit to it
he was buddying me. trying to keep you afloat, yet also keeping you sliiiightly distant in case he needed room to start scumreading you
In post 430, GuiltyLion wrote:rb - why do you say my Day1 scumreads are "awful" when we both finished the day on the Rosske wagon and we are both currently scumreading Hoopla?
Tbh I don't know how someone could scumread Hoopla + Rosske Day 1. That scumteam just looks absurd to me. With Rosske flipping town I see it as a towncred move, but someone picking a Hoopla + Rosske pairing is just weird af. Scum don't defend their partner when they're at L-1 with multiple people declaring intent to give intent, it's just dumb. Plus the fact you never really aired any suspicions of Hoopla, other than just putting them in your read list (unexplained as far as I know) when you put quite a lot of effort into 'pressuring' your other 2 scumreads is telling imo.
This game setup means bussing/distancing is probably to be expected because there's extra scum. I'd be confident in calling a Hoopla + GL scumteam. Your vote on her right after my suspicion on her just makes me go, 'meh'. I meta-read TNE town as well since this is easily recognizable as the same town game I played with her very recently.
So to be clear: it's awful for reads made on Day1. Rosske flipped town, I'm town and you didn't provide much reasoning at all as to why you thought Hoopla was scum. If she flipped scum I'd be more inclined to think you were scum as well, than that you weren't. BUT - we agree on why Hoopla's townread of Rosske is suspect. So...I'm willing to re-evaluate over the course of Day 2 - even though the amount of misrepping you did of me was just absurd that I felt like you just couldn't be seriously trying to solve the game.
Plus we agree on karnos apparently, but I've said before I don't think that simple read-agreement is a strong alignment indicator.
I both agree and disagree with this post. It is true that it odd to think hoopla and Rosske were partners day one because scum hard defending a doomed partner is near suicidal. That being said it is still possible for scum to do this because it just causes wifom. Your second statement is false though, that we should expect scum to bus more this game because we have more scum. This may be a townslip for you as well, because you seem to have forgotten that we only need to lynch two scum to win. I am torn with you, while your words are seeming to rub me the wrong way, I get the gut feeling that you are town and actively trying to work this whole thing out.
In post 502, Javajoe24 wrote:I think the most likely person to be scum right now is Hoopla. I still have my reservations of karnos and RB though.
VOTE: Hoopla
The hard defense of rosske sends red flags to me as scum looking for townie points. But on the other end of the spectrum RB and karnos both seem to have hard pushed for the lynch. I find a hard defense more likely to be scum though.
In post 534, Javajoe24 wrote:
Thank you for posting this, I had actually completely forgotten about that townslip by rb. I think since that slip was so subtle that it is more believable as coming from town then the other two which were blatant. Because of that I think rb is prob town.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
also, look at your posts on javajoe that I quoted earlier. You barely talked about him, then you lazily shoved him in null scum but never really focused on his wagon until you randomly hammered it. Hoopla even called you out for not talking about him
In post 498, Hoopla wrote:@ rb: I haven't really seen you talk about javajoe at all. In your suspects post at the start of D2, you listed me/karnos/GL and then later on that page you talked about being willing to lynch javajoe too, but without any real reasoning. What's your take on his play so far? Why is he in your lynch list?
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
I'm actually thinking it is a rb+RM team here after my reread because I feel RM has really coasted hard after the early towncred from her "townslip"
infinity pings me occasionally but he's also had a few posts that felt really town and he was semi-instrumental in driving the JJ lynch whereas RM just kinda vote parked on it
also I think RM was the scummiest in pushing karnos too and I doubt it was three townies on that wagon which makes infinity+rb pretty unlikely
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
like these posts given town!karnos are just horrendously scummy
if it's RM+Infinity team then well played cause I'm pretty sure in my infinity townread
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
Rach I don't think scumreading karnos is rly anyone's fault. He only looked town to me after he kept getting put at L-1 and then he would keep blurting out a whole bunch of stuff that looked like town to me.
Plus by basic math it can't be all scum on his wagon, but there's surely 1 imo. Karnos is also the competing wagon with GL yesterday.
In post 936, rb wrote:LOL why is GL suddenly townreading Infinity?
humor us, why do you think that is scummy? what's the scum motivation in reassessing my read there?
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
Yeah I'm not seeing rach scum, and guilty suddenly deciding I'm town is sus. Like he tried to stretch to find reasons why I'm scum and realized it wasn't working and decided to call rach scum.
So me listening to you and changing my mind is scummy?! What do I gain from pivoting and calling Rach scum out of nowhere when she was never going to be lynched today anyway?
If you're town infinity, your vote will lose the game. Please reread the entire game and rethink before you vote. It's frustrating as hell that my attempts to game solve aren't like blindingly transparent to whoever is town here.
Also, rb has been accusing me of misrepping him in D1 and he has not ONCE followed up on me asking him to point out where.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
Infinity, can you reread the game and point out exactly why you think I'm scummier than rb. I'd like to see your reasoning
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
You haven't scumhunted since D2, you've been posting nothing but fluff and "why haven't we lynched scum [x] yet" throughout the entire game.
Also you kept insisting scum wouldn't bus when this didn't make any logical sense and I called you out on it multiple times
Then you threw up an incredibly disproportionate amount of AtE when people even considered scum reading you
And even now in LYLO you aren't pushing people or trying to game solve, you just beetlejuice in as soon as I change my read and call you out and say you aren't scum
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
If you're town, and RM is town, and I'm scum with a very real chance of getting lynched today.
WHY would I start scumreading her? It would only strictly increase the chance that a town!RM would vote for me.
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
"I think I no longer believe in monsters as faces in the floor or feral infants or vampires or whatever. I think at seventeen now I believe the only real monsters might be the type of liar where there's simply no way to tell. The ones who give nothing away"
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