Shadowrun Mafia - Game Over

[Albert B. Rampage]

Anyway guys, it's my birthday in an hour and I'll be

V/LA for a couple days

.

Cheers

Happy Birthday!

Thanks! And thx diamond!

[JaeReed]

I don't know you but happy birthday!

[Detective Moonlight]

hi fellas

haven't read a word of this.

hbd albert

fun fact: you live in the same city as me. it's rare for me to find people who live in my city.

~T

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Jae - I can't type up a more complex response from mobile but I feel a large part of the reason you're confused over my Grovyle push is because I thought their push was serious (Fire acknowledged that it was at one point iirc). While most of your posting seems to come from the perspective of it being a reaction wagon.

I don't have any problems with you either
But it really felt like, at least with the initial naked vote, that you just wanted to PL us in revenge or something akin to that.
That assumption was probably wrong since you've followed up more at least.

Hell no. I've consistently said that it's due to your behavior in this game, and nothing else. I don't want revenge against anybody, I'm here to win this game. The only player that I am at odds with is randomidget because he's acidic towards me.

Which is what I acknowledged earlier.

[raises eyebrow]

Huh. I really haven't played with you before. Eh, yada yada meta yada, regardless, this is less than 12 hours into the game. I'm allowed to look at both sides of the issue right now. In most games this wouldn't be out of RVS.

PEdit: I'm still bummed about it (I love SK) but that game was 6 months ago. That's a really long time to hold a grudge.

It's not really the "looking at both sides" that bothers me, it's how you tried to look like you were picking a side when you weren't.

Fire how can you say that D: I am in the game. Of course it will be. ^_^

As RC used to tell me:

"It only takes one player to ruin a game"

Ill let you all guess who that will be.

~Fire

;----;

RR's posting has been fairly mundane so far which is surprising. Cerb usually comes blasting out of the gate but his posts aren't doing very much here. Keeping that slot in back of mind while I read last 3 pages.

-dragons

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Making it up? Please. This is exactly what you do. I mean we hydrad as scum. You were careful to death and then retreated back cause it was showing. You restrain yourself as scum mate. Facts are facts and I use facts as either alignment ^_^

Why aren't you voting them then?

@Jaereed on the D&D AtE, I have seen him do this alot lately, and I think its just a general attitude towards the game that gets him frustrated.
I don't use as that alignment indicative and it kind of annoys me to see it.

I will say, I don't want to lynch (jail) him today, but I don't townread him right now.

~Fire

Yeah it's a bad habit of mine to flip out when getting wagoned as town. I was in a really terrible mood yesterday and then this exacerbated it <.<
Gonna try to not do that in the future.

RR didn't post anything of note in the last pages so I have a slight scumread there, surprisingly. It just doesn't feel like the town!cerb I know (I don't think any of the RR posts were Drixx yet).

[Space Cowboy]

But my tell isn't fake I use it in every bloody game we are together.

But my tell isn't fake I use it in every bloody game we are together.

I don't think you even mentioned the tell in that game when you were town....
I am going to go look now.

~Fire

Search, it goes all the way back to melancholy night where I suddenly went from I will take my time to pick lover to picking you the moment you asked I. That way bevause I was pretty certain as scum you wouldn't attract that much attention.


More recent? American Revolution mafia. I townread you instantly for how you posted early.

P.edit

Well duh. If you ate searching for the same exact wording

Actually no, I forgot about that. It was the one where I sheeped Titus. Davsto's game. You were scum.but I townread you till very late game if I recall.

Also I am talking about melancholy nights no FA game.

Just picking up Shiro's hydra slips

-DS

I'll be posting a bit later, I just hopped on to read real fast.

[karnos]

This game started up quick. Reading...

[Reasonably Rational]

This game started up quick. Reading...

@cakez head of D&D: Mundane? How so? I would think you of all people would know my early game play is fairly fluffy (with Bloodborne being the exception thar proves the rule, since I was both hydraing with Elbirn AND actively attempting to be townread cause I wanted to be hunt master)

-Cerb

[PeregrineV]

Vote: ABR

Happy Birthday!!

[WorldzMine]

I am probably going to use that avi instead of grovyle, I don't know.
I should talk to hebichan, though i haven't talked to her in awhile.

Meh.

Lynch Jaereed, we will do a lightning speed day 1.
Also I wanted Shaman, that person who stole shaman will pay~

I wanted Shaman more.

Missed Grovyle saying this for some reason. But yeah I just picked the Shaman because out of the characters left when I drafted it had the highest across the board stats. Which is also a good reason for me to be selected for the adventures.

[Space Cowboy]

Jae - I can't type up a more complex response from mobile but I feel a large part of the reason you're confused over my Grovyle push is because I thought their push was serious (Fire acknowledged that it was at one point iirc). While most of your posting seems to come from the perspective of it being a reaction wagon.

I don't have any problems with you either
But it really felt like, at least with the initial naked vote, that you just wanted to PL us in revenge or something akin to that.
That assumption was probably wrong since you've followed up more at least.

Hell no. I've consistently said that it's due to your behavior in this game, and nothing else. I don't want revenge against anybody, I'm here to win this game. The only player that I am at odds with is randomidget because he's acidic towards me.

Which is what I acknowledged earlier.

[raises eyebrow]

Huh. I really haven't played with you before. Eh, yada yada meta yada, regardless, this is less than 12 hours into the game. I'm allowed to look at both sides of the issue right now. In most games this wouldn't be out of RVS.

PEdit: I'm still bummed about it (I love SK) but that game was 6 months ago. That's a really long time to hold a grudge.

It's not really the "looking at both sides" that bothers me, it's how you tried to look like you were picking a side when you weren't.

Fire how can you say that D: I am in the game. Of course it will be. ^_^

As RC used to tell me:

"It only takes one player to ruin a game"

Ill let you all guess who that will be.

~Fire

;----;

RR's posting has been fairly mundane so far which is surprising. Cerb usually comes blasting out of the gate but his posts aren't doing very much here. Keeping that slot in back of mind while I read last 3 pages.

-dragons

Umm, I have no idea what you're trying to say about "trying to look like I was taking a side". I was simply recording my observations, which is what I do every game during D1. Ask anyone who's played with me. I'm not great D1, so I mostly just throw everything I think of out and see what sticks at the very end of it.

(Also, while I partially agree with you on Cerb, I'm willing to give him a bit here, since we've really just been talking about immaterial stuff like the set-up)

Is anyone here half decent with, like, statistics or probabilities or whatever? Like, what kind of numbers do you think we should we be looking at for the team(s) to pass challenges?

That won't matter, the mods said in the setup posts that the difficulty in the challenges scale relatively to team size.
So you want a team that has skills you need for the missions but also want to keep it small for scale.

~Fire

They must pick 3-5 shadowrunners. Difficulty of each mission increases with more shadowrunners.

I'm thinking less about team size and more whether I should be aiming for the stats to be well rounded enough to handle something unexpected or just stack up the numbers on what I think will be relevant to the challenge.

First off, it's most important that we only put people we have at least a null!town collectively on. Anyone below that we risk putting power into scum's hand. But after that, we can both look for a well-rounded one, and try to build a team to fit the mission (e.g. assassination has stealth and combat (with a bit of magical, matrix, and charisma as those might prove to be a bit useful.

Math didn't answer my question about whether they're town

It was implied in the paragraph to Fire.

Yes I am town.

Good night.

Haha, okay. Goodnight!

Is anyone here half decent with, like, statistics or probabilities or whatever? Like, what kind of numbers do you think we should we be looking at for the team(s) to pass challenges?

See above.

Mathblade: all that noise was in response to FB's assertion that he could use mod meta to determine alignments at this point, and if you actually read the post(you did, right?) you should have noted that at the end I told him that the point of that whole wall of text was to demonstrate that we didn't have enough information for his hypothesis to be of much use as an argument regarding someone's alignment.

Also, generally speaking, I'm really not concerned with helping people read me. I don't care how you read me, I just care that when I find scum and prove that x must be scum for y reasons, the town falls in line.

(DS, I believe *this* particular brand of arrogance here is what some people were talking about when they were talking about me being an ass or something. You defended me, but, well, I AM sort of an asshole...but I'm not a jerk. )

Anyways, you are right in your assertion that all my posts so far have been pretty useless in terms of, well, figuring anything alignment related out. I'm sure it will all become clear shortly though.

Jaereed: I'm very precise in the verbiage used in my posts(when I'm at a computer, at least). I *specifically* used the words "You can certainly try" because I knew I was just about to point out why any attempt to "shove it down" my throat would be doomed to failure. I originally had the post saying "Sure, but..", and chose to change it to "You can certainly try" specifically to make it clear that I didn't agree with the conclusion that if JaeReed was scum, it meant Grovyle's logic was sound. Also, I DO clearly entertain the idea of you being scum, I just refuse to entertain the idea that groyvle's logic is a good reason to think you are.

Point being, don't expect to actually be able to determine anything alignment related from me by virtue of semantics, as either alignment I'm generally very careful about the exact words I use.

-Cerb

pedit: Oh. JaeReed apparently noticed that his observation wasn't correct.

Please. This isn't "asshole". This is just assertiveness. Which is what this town needs, fmpov

-DS

PEdit: Oh yeah, PV is in this game. PV, I will issue a challenge. I want you to post at least 30 times per day. I have yet to see a game you didn't compulsively lurk in...

[MathBlade]

Too many words to read before I go to work will check later.

[karnos]

VOTE: Space Cowboy

Yeah, this is the wagon to be on. Even though it fits my RVS meta, this is a

real

vote.

On a side note, it confused me to hell that the dragon hydra isn't the one that includes Fire Bringer.

@Jaereed: As a bounty hunter, I'm excellent at combat & logic, I can be awfully persuasive, and apparently even magical stuff is within my area of specialty. Just don't expect me to be much help with any medical needs or hacking that crazy internet matrix thingy. Willing to work!

[WorldzMine]

Anyway, do we want to run two adventures or do we want to play this a little more cautiously N1? I read a bit of Bloodborne's PTs when they were released and saw that the runs tended to put some people in the party at a disadvantage for the next day. I'd rather go with what majority wants here.

Yeah I say we run two while we have the chance. Sure there's some risk, but without completely understanding this mechanic, I'm guessing there's some pretty good advantages that can come from it too. I drafted my character because it had the best across the board stats at the time I drafted, so I think I'd be a good choice for many missions too, fwiw.

[Reasonably Rational]

@Mathblade: I forgot to respond to you earlier, but know, I do not have any x must be y for z reasons to suggest at this point, other than agreeing with ABRs point about the lack of scum motivation for Groyvles push on JaeReed.

-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

@Mathblade: I forgot to respond to you earlier, but NO, I do not have any x must be y for z reasons to suggest at this point, other than agreeing with ABRs point about the lack of scum motivation for Groyvles push on JaeReed.

-Cerb

EBWOP.

Couldn't let that autocorrect mistake stand. Work, btw, so I'll be around in a few hours most likely.
-Cerb

[WorldzMine]

Scum FB is more careful of how he speaks

.

Like exact word for words what said as scum.
And Shiro was 100% making it up.

Somehow I bought it.

~Fire

VOTE: Vote Grovyle

I just don't like his tone so far combined with the attempted mod meta read earlier.

[karnos]

UNVOTE:

Don't trust this wagon if math agrees with me on it tbh.

~Fire

If MathBlade is scum, he is probably busing anyway. His vote shouldn't scare you from the wagon.

[karnos]

His vote

their vote

Sorry. Trying to make it a point to get pronouns correct.

[Bold Vote Scientist]

I have received a lot of questions on the Astral PT, Matrix PT and Prison Neighborhoods. So I will do an explanation.

Any future access to these hoods is done by mechanic.
All kills/heals must specify which PT a kill or heal is taking place in.
Players in the Astral and Matrix PTs are still considered present in meat space (main thread).
A kill may not be done by a player without at least seeing access to said PT.
Prison by lynch or public mechanic vanillaizes a player unless specified.
A player is not immune to night kills in prison.
A player in prison by lynching or other public mechanic is not considered present in any other topic, including meat space (main thread).
Scum lose access to their factional kill in prison.

[Koggz]

Lynched players wind up in prison, rather than killed outright. A maximum of two players may return from the game after being imprisoned. Lynched players do not flip until no one can be released from prison anymore. There may or may not be mechanics that allow people to communicate with those in prison. When no one can escape or be released from prison anymore, all players in prison will flip and will die. All flips are confirmed accurate (no actresses/tricksters, death millers, godfathers, etc).

Ugh, I am pretty sure based on this wording theres one scum at least that can escape jail, I also don't know how released works, I am guessing a town has the ability to release players that have been put in jail?

Prison by lynch or public mechanic vanillaizes a player unless specified.

more wording support possible scum escape role

[Space Cowboy]

Ok, Jae, I've done some thinking about the first mission you should do.

I'd suggest doing the scout mission first (seems much more low-risk at the start). A good party mix would be Face, Decker, and Drug Dealer. You'd have at least 1 person maxing perception (great for scouting), one each for magic and matrix, and logic. That sounds like the best mix you have (additionally, starting with a low number is good in case we find some really bad failstate first mission)

[Reasonably Rational]

Ok, Jae, I've done some thinking about the first mission you should do.

I'd suggest doing the scout mission first (seems much more low-risk at the start). A good party mix would be Face, Decker, and Drug Dealer. You'd have at least 1 person maxing perception (great for scouting), one each for magic and matrix, and logic. That sounds like the best mix you have (additionally, starting with a low number is good in case we find some really bad failstate first mission)

First of all, I find it incredibly off putting that you're deliberately separating roles from the players who possess them. The first priority is ensuring town go on the runs, and someone's towniness is not something which can be determined by their role name.

Secondly, your position doesn't even make sense, with regards to the drug dealer at least. If you're making this decision on the basis of role alone, WHY would you bring the drug dealer over the infiltrator or sniper, both of whom have exceptional stealth AND perception, or even over the bounty hunter or occult investigator, who, by role flavor, seem well suited to a scouting mission?

Whatever reason could you possibly have for wanting Koggz in particular on the run?

-Cerb

[Space Cowboy]

I was looking at it purely based on statistics. There are far too many people lurking right now to actively read enough to make a party.

[karnos]

The first priority is ensuring town go on the runs, and someone's towniness is not something which can be determined by their role name.

This might be an incredibly dumb question: why does it matter if town or scum are sent on a mission?

I don't see any choice to deliberately fail a mission as being an option (presumably for scum). I also don't see how passing a mission is purely pro-town, or how failing a mission is pro-scum. It seems to me that scum on a mission could suffer glitches just as often as town players.

What is the danger in sending off a mission team that might include a scum?