Micro 624: Grey Flag Nightless (Game Over)

[RachMarie]

ATM I really am not sure who is town and scum (other than me)

my reads other than joe and hoopla have been clearly off.

I know two of you are scum.

Im gonna do some rereading with that in mind with fresh eyes

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

rb

(1): GuiltyLion

GuiltyLion

(1): rb

Not voting

(3): Infinity 324, RachMarie, thenewearth

With 5 players alive, a lynch requires 3 votes.
Deadline is Saturday 20 August at 01:00 UTC (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2016-08-20 01:00:00)

)

[GuiltyLion]

I'm most sure of scum!rb. I believe his partner is Rach but I'm not as confident in that, the point I'd just like to make to whichever of Infin/Rach are town is to pay attention to how the other one engages with rb or justifies picking me as scum instead of rb.

Also it should be abundantly clear that if I am scum, it can only be with TNE. rb suggesting that I could be "protecting a scumbuddy" with Infinity is just further evidence that he's not legitimately game solving and instead just throwing whatever he can to make his scumcase stick.

[GuiltyLion]

also, I have another point against Rach that I will post when I get to a computer in a bit

[GuiltyLion]

Alright, so

Wait this is a micro there are THREE scumz? how is that balanced I thought with 9 players it was 2?

And how do you know there are 3, Hoopla?

This is the original "townslip".

Notice how RM's response to this new information is to ask Hoopla instead of going back and reading the setup herself.

When RM starts pushing the idea that scum would not bus in this setup, after javajoe was lynched, her tone and responses are different:

are you really pushing that two or at least one of the two other scum bussed their scum budz in a white flag or grey flag set up where town only needs to lynch two of the 3?

really seriously is that the best you got karnos?

I have played this set up before

^ so first off did RM not realize this was Grey Flag when she was made the townslip? If she's played the set up before, why didn't she understand that there was a 3 person scumteam?

Here was my response to her post:

My townread on you sours every time you push this bs. Unless you want to say scum never bus in any 7-2 setup, your thinking that scum wouldn't bus here isn't grounded in anything. Scum can bus and still have 2 members manipulating the town, that's HUGE in a micro.

and her follow-up:

NOT IN WHITE FLAG OR GREY FLAG

how many times to I have to tell you this is not a 7 2 set up

this is a 6 3 set up with town only needing to lynch 2/3 of the scum tean

READ THE SETUP

please

so now when she (presumably) thinks that I myself wasn't familiar with the setup (which also implies that she thinks I am town by default), she says "READ THE SETUP", as if this is something she expects all players to do. Yet when she "townslipped", she apparently hadn't read the setup since she apparently didn't even know how many scum there were. So how can a town!RM, posting in good faith, be insisting for another player to read the setup? The first time she was confronted with new information, her first response wasn't to go and read the setup, it was to turn it around and ask Hoopla a question about it.

Her behavior with respect to reading the setup isn't consistent, and makes me think the townslip was faked.

[RachMarie]

Yes I have played the set up before

no i really was not aware it was this setup when i asked

way to misrep.

Yes I asked Hoopla my strongest town read a question PLUS I then went back and looked at the OP

Felt kind of dumb for missing it in the first place.

My statement about playing this setup before came LONG AFTER I asked hoopla and checked again the setup of the game.

Yeah I probably am in too many games.

Try again

[GuiltyLion]

this isn't for you, it's for infinity

[GuiltyLion]

no i really was not aware it was this setup when i asked

like this is just BS, the title of the damn game and the thread is "Grey Flag". if you've played Grey Flag before you should have understood what that means.

[RachMarie]

actually I played white flag but it has been like 2 years since I played it

I went back and looked at the game

[rb]

GL is reaching hard here to try and get a town member to vote with him. I think TNE is scum with him.

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

rb

(1): GuiltyLion

GuiltyLion

(1): rb

Not voting

(3): Infinity 324, RachMarie, thenewearth

With 5 players alive, a lynch requires 3 votes.
Deadline is Saturday 20 August at 01:00 UTC (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2016-08-20 01:00:00)

)

[GuiltyLion]

rb is scum

[Infinity 324]

Guilty, you have a good point about rach's "townslip", though I could also see it from town. About the overblown AtE, that's definitely something I have seen from town!rach and it looks genuine to me.

My main issue is that everyone looks at least somewhat town to me except TNE, and I'm quite confident she's scum. rb doesn't make sense as a partner with her, but you do. You've talked about everyone except TNE today, and I especially don't like how you call out rb for bad interactions with java when TNE's were even worse. She didn't even mention him until d2, then she called out 1 post of his as misrepping her and then she voted him to L-1. Can you explain why you think she's town?

I'll reread and look for interactions sometime today.

[Infinity 324]

@Rach Make sure you're paying attention to the deadline

[RachMarie]

I am

[GuiltyLion]

Guilty, you have a good point about rach's "townslip", though I could also see it from town. About the overblown AtE, that's definitely something I have seen from town!rach and it looks genuine to me.

My main issue is that everyone looks at least somewhat town to me except TNE, and I'm quite confident she's scum. rb doesn't make sense as a partner with her, but you do. You've talked about everyone except TNE today, and I especially don't like how you call out rb for bad interactions with java when TNE's were even worse. She didn't even mention him until d2, then she called out 1 post of his as misrepping her and then she voted him to L-1. Can you explain why you think she's town?

I'll reread and look for interactions sometime today.

To be honest, my townread on TNE is mostly shaped a lot by the fact that many people are calling her scum and that she L-1'd java when she could have voted Hoopla instead. Also I felt her D1 play was very town in that most of the things she did or called out matched my own intuitions

I can understand why you think we would make sense as partners, however, from my perspective where I know I'm town, I also don't see any partners for her. rb and you have both called her scum and pushed for her lynch. RM is vaguely plausible except they followed eachother around on most wagons and I don't usually see that from scum. It would also mean that RM+TNE both committed to the L-2 and L-1 bus votes on Java and I doubt that a JJ+RM+TNE team would need or decide to do that.

I can see why a TNE+GL team can loosely fit to a different townie, but I know that such a world is impossible. Which is why I would ask you to just consider me vs rb and whether you believe me to be scum or not.

[GuiltyLion]

like if it's TNE + anyone else then they would have won the game by now (unless it's TNE+rb or TNE+GL). So even if you think TNE is scum, you still have to decide between me or rb, and I think it's pretty evident that rb is scum, especially when compared with me.

[thenewearth]

VOTE: rb



I'm gambling

[thenewearth]

its not like we have the time, anyways

[thenewearth]

which was really completely bullshit

[callforjudgement]

Vote Count

rb

(2): GuiltyLion, thenewearth

GuiltyLion

(1): rb

Not voting

(2): Infinity 324, RachMarie

With 5 players alive, a lynch requires 3 votes.
Deadline is Saturday 20 August at 01:00 UTC (

automatic countdown: (expired on 2016-08-20 01:00:00)

)

[rb]

Scumteam wants the town hammer. So cute.

[rb]

*pats scumteam on the head*

[rb]

Vote GL so we can win pls.

[GuiltyLion]

Also, I'd ask you guys to ISO rb and Ctrl+F "TNE" and watch how his read changes. I'd quote the posts but there's too many for one post. Basically, he's quite convinced she's town and defends her on several occasions, even at one point saying Rach was more likely to have bussed JJ than TNE. Yet then suddenly he switches to GL+TNE scumteam and never explains why his townread on TNE evaporated. It's not a convincing progression at all.

This will be interesting though now that TNE has voted - assuming I'm right here and scum just haven't failed at a quickhammer for several days, then one of RM or Infinity is gonna have to start giving a reason why they absolutely will not vote rb and instead want to vote me.