Micro 639: Noughts and Crosses Blitz [Game Over]

[Firebringer]

Tic Tac Toe Board

1	2	3
Wingback	GuiltyLion	Lane0168
AlpacaAlpaca	Mcmenno	Javajoe24
Dunnstral	Ümläüt	Luna Fox

Mcmenno is the Town Innocent Child

Vote Count 1.04

Ümläüt (L-5)
Luna Fox (L-4) Dunnstral,
McMenno (L-4) AlpacaAlpaca,
Dunnstral (L-1) lane0168, Luna Fox, Wingback, McMenno,
Javajoe24 (L-5)
GuiltyLion (L-5)
Wingback (L-4) Javajoe24,
AlpacaAlpaca (L-5)
lane0168 (L-4) GuiltyLion,

Not Voting (1): Ümläüt,


With 9 Alive, It takes 5 To Lynch

Day 1 Ends In (expired on 2016-08-22 18:00:00)

[Javajoe24]

No that atm has been replaced, and his strategy on the situation seems to come from a town perspective, I would more like to vote here. I do not agree with lynching the IC. Honestly I think this strategy is more likely to come from scum than town.

P-edit - ninja'ed! Removed my vote on Dunn, but...

Intent to hammer

UNVOTE:

[Wingback]

Hold off on hammering for a while. Even if he's scum, going into D2 with a complete lack of associative tells isn't a good strategy. Let's let everyone post and contribute and talk about their reads. Specifically Alpaca, Umlaut, and Javajoe need to contribute more mafia-game related content.

[Ümläüt]

Reiterate FoS on Java, that intent is pure survivalism on his part

[Wingback]

UNVOTE: for now. We've still got two days.

[Dunnstral]

Lynching the IC would just make scum shoot Lane if he's town, and he's one of the people actually contributing to strategy here =/

This is pure buddying. She doesn't mention me because she wants to lynch there

Because im not townreading you.

So why are you townreading someone else for doing a lesser version of what I'm doing, but have no comments for me?

[Wingback]

I can definitely see lanes argument about if we lynch in the middle we can force scums NK's to what we want it to be, and I think that will probably be our best strategy. I cant believe I am actually agreeing with killing an IC.....

I do not agree with lynching the IC. Honestly I think this strategy is more likely to come from scum than town.

Explain this. When Lane suggests it, you agree with it and say that it might be our best strategy and explicitly don't scumread Lane. But when Dunnstral suggests it, that stance changes to scum being more likely to bring it up and you move in to give an intent to hammer.

[Wingback]

That's actually really fake and opportunistic. Thinking Java is scum here and if he wasn't an edge, I'd probably want to lynch him.

[Luna Fox]

Lynching the IC would just make scum shoot Lane if he's town, and he's one of the people actually contributing to strategy here =/

This is pure buddying. She doesn't mention me because she wants to lynch there

Because im not townreading you.

So why are you townreading someone else for doing a lesser version of what I'm doing, but have no comments for me?

A lesser version? what do you mean?

[Dunnstral]

Basically what Wingback just accused Javajoe of; you're doing the same thing.

[Wingback]

@Umlaut, can you explain why you were voting Luna and my slot? The only reason you gave was that my slot was far away from you that shows a very survivalistic mindset which is the same thing you are accusing Java of.

[Luna Fox]

I thought lane suggested lynching corners and not the IC?

[Luna Fox]

Huh i see he did suggest lynching the IC in like... 1 post, and i was townreading him before that, i don't get what you mean =/

[Wingback]

Lanes pretty adamant about lynching the IC at least in his first six posts (ISO#0 - ISO#5). That's what his debate with GuiltyLion was about. Then he changes his mind.

But the point is, when Lane was pushing that arguement, Java agreed with it (Post 34), but when Dunnstral pushed it, Java said it was more likely to come from scum (Post 126). Given Dunnstral was being wagoned and Java stated intent to hammer, this about-turn reeks of scum opportunism.

[Wingback]

On that note, I have three solid townreads so early on into the game (Lane, GuiltyLion, Luna Fox), and there's an IC.

From my POV, that leaves all the scum between [Javajoe, Dunnstral, Alpaca x2, Unlaut].

[Wingback]

Here's how I want to do it, Lynches in Blue, Nighkills in Orange:

Wingback	GuiltyLion	Lane0168
AlpacaAlpaca	Mcmenno	Javajoe24
Dunnstral	Ümläüt	Luna Fox

After the first lynch-nightkill cycle, beginning of D2:

Wingback	GuiltyLion	Lane0168
AlpacaAlpaca	Mcmenno	Javajoe24
Dunnstral	Ümläüt	Luna Fox

I think lynching me is pretty optimal here given who I want dead. After the second lynch-nightkill cycle, beginning of D3:

Wingback	GuiltyLion	Lane0168
AlpacaAlpaca	Mcmenno	Javajoe24
Dunnstral	Ümläüt	Luna Fox

D3 lynch is forced on Javajoe. Scum kill Lane (worst case).

Wingback	GuiltyLion	Lane0168
AlpacaAlpaca	Mcmenno	Javajoe24
Dunnstral	Ümläüt	Luna Fox

Town can lynch Umlaut from there.

Assuming I'm right about Lane/GL/Luna being town of course which I'm fairly confident about. If not, whoever's left in LYLO should be able to figure that out better. But I really want Alpaca and Java to hang, the former for total lack of contribution and the latter for opportunism. Maybe Dunnstral as well. I thought he was scummy but probably not in a scumteam with Javajoe.

[lane0168]

Reiterate FoS on Java, that intent is pure survivalism on his part

He is in almost no danger of dying. How is that survivalist?

[Javajoe24]

There have been a lot of arguments made for lynching in the corners since my post 34, and why it is better than lynching in the center. I have taken all the strategies suggested to decide for myself which I believe to be the best, and came to the conclusion of corners. If you were to read my ISO you would see that I was very hesitant to agree with lynching in the middle and post 34 is the only time I have agreed with it. But with my perspective now, with new information, I can see that scum would most likely push for a lynch on the IC and not give the town the first corner pick. In any tic tac toe games I have ever played I personally pick the corner first because you have more options from there.

[Dunnstral]

Here's how I want to do it, Lynches in Blue, Nighkills in Orange:

Wingback	GuiltyLion	Lane0168
AlpacaAlpaca	Mcmenno	Javajoe24
Dunnstral	Ümläüt	Luna Fox

After the first lynch-nightkill cycle, beginning of D2:

Wingback	GuiltyLion	Lane0168
AlpacaAlpaca	Mcmenno	Javajoe24
Dunnstral	Ümläüt	Luna Fox

I think lynching me is pretty optimal here given who I want dead. After the second lynch-nightkill cycle, beginning of D3:

Wingback	GuiltyLion	Lane0168
AlpacaAlpaca	Mcmenno	Javajoe24
Dunnstral	Ümläüt	Luna Fox

D3 lynch is forced on Javajoe. Scum kill Lane (worst case).

Wingback	GuiltyLion	Lane0168
AlpacaAlpaca	Mcmenno	Javajoe24
Dunnstral	Ümläüt	Luna Fox

Town can lynch Umlaut from there.

Assuming I'm right about Lane/GL/Luna being town of course which I'm fairly confident about. If not, whoever's left in LYLO should be able to figure that out better. But I really want Alpaca and Java to hang, the former for total lack of contribution and the latter for opportunism. Maybe Dunnstral as well. I thought he was scummy but probably not in a scumteam with Javajoe.

And if scum don't nightkill mcmenno?

[Wingback]

There have been a lot of arguments made for lynching in the corners since my post 34, and why it is better than lynching in the center. I have taken all the strategies suggested to decide for myself which I believe to be the best, and came to the conclusion of corners. If you were to read my ISO you would see that I was very hesitant to agree with lynching in the middle and post 34 is the only time I have agreed with it. But with my perspective now, with new information, I can see that scum would most likely push for a lynch on the IC and not give the town the first corner pick. In any tic tac toe games I have ever played I personally pick the corner first because you have more options from there.

Okay, a couple of things:

a) You personally pick the corner first when you play Tic Tac Toe, so why didn't you disagree with Lane and talk about the values of picking the corner?
b) You're not scumreading Lane for suggesting that we lynch the middle. So, why Dunnstral?

[Wingback]

And if scum don't nightkill mcmenno?

That's an auto-loss of the Tic Tac Toe game. We'd only need to hit one scum in four lynches to win.

[Javajoe24]

There have been a lot of arguments made for lynching in the corners since my post 34, and why it is better than lynching in the center. I have taken all the strategies suggested to decide for myself which I believe to be the best, and came to the conclusion of corners. If you were to read my ISO you would see that I was very hesitant to agree with lynching in the middle and post 34 is the only time I have agreed with it. But with my perspective now, with new information, I can see that scum would most likely push for a lynch on the IC and not give the town the first corner pick. In any tic tac toe games I have ever played I personally pick the corner first because you have more options from there.

Okay, a couple of things:

a) You personally pick the corner first when you play Tic Tac Toe, so why didn't you disagree with Lane and talk about the values of picking the corner?
b) You're not scumreading Lane for suggesting that we lynch the middle. So, why Dunnstral?

a) Because collective thought is generally better than individual thought. I am no tic tac toe master, and I did earlier suggest that we should lynch in the corner I believe.
b) That was early in the game when not much had been discussed, and since then lane has came to the conclusion as well that lynching in the corner is best, which scum wouldn't do in my opinion, like Dunn isn't doing....

[Luna Fox]

And if scum don't nightkill mcmenno?

That's an auto-loss of the Tic Tac Toe game. We'd only need to hit one scum in four lynches to win.

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[Javajoe24]

And if scum don't nightkill mcmenno?

That's an auto-loss of the Tic Tac Toe game. We'd only need to hit one scum in four lynches to win.

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What is this?

[Luna Fox]

Means that if scum doesnt NK mcmenno then we just win easily by tic tac toe.
You can pull that double threat by killing anything that isnt the center.