Mini 1824: Grandest Idea Mafia - Game over!

[Eggman]

The votecounts.

When all four are on one person it's one whole vote. When split, it's fractions.

...
how did i not notice this
damn it
the entire reason i voted vedith in the first place was because i thought he had 4 votes, not 4 1/4 votes
Thank you Rat.

[Vedith]

The votecounts.

When all four are on one person it's one whole vote. When split, it's fractions.

...
how did i not notice this
damn it
the entire reason i voted vedith in the first place was because i thought he had 4 votes, not 4 1/4 votes
Thank you Rat.

So will you remove your vote now?

[Eggman]

No because I think either of us would be OK-ish lynches? Not good, but not terrible? I'm not sure what I'm saying.
Also, that would still leave me at L-1. Which I don't want.

[lane0168]

Dayvig falls under "other shenanigans"

Keeping him alive, while fun, is not exactly playing my wincon, sadly.

I am actually town btw, just trying to have a little fun. :<

There's a bit of me that wants to believe this. A large bit actually. It's just. So. Hard

[Vedith]

No because I think either of us would be OK-ish lynches? Not good, but not terrible? I'm not sure what I'm saying.
Also, that would still leave me at L-1. Which I don't want.

You're only at L2 lol.
I'm not voting you right now.

[Radical Rat]

No because I think either of us would be OK-ish lynches? Not good, but not terrible? I'm not sure what I'm saying.
Also, that would still leave me at L-1. Which I don't want.

So, you're saying that you're an Okay lynch?
If you were Town, wouldn't that be a bad lynch?

I kinda wanna call this a scumslip.

[Radical Rat]

Here's my proposal.

Lynch Eggman today, because he said it himself, he's an okay lynch.

Then pile every investigative role we have onto Vedith. We know there's a Cop, but that only accounts for one Scumteam, so if you've got an investigation that isn't Mafia/Not Mafia, you're on Vedith too. If there's a second Mafia cop out there, I suggest Farside to check on that "confirmation" Vedith supposedly has.

[eagerSnake]

For the record, I take no responsibility of anything.

[Radical Rat]

For the record, I take no responsibility of anything.

Oh sure. Not like you've been pushing the Eggman lynch all game or anything.

It's cool, you don't need to be held accountable for the flip... Which this statement implies you know. Which is a MUCH stronger scumslip than calling yourself a viable lynch.

VOTE: eagerSnake

[Radical Rat]

We've still gotta Cop the hell out of Vedith though.

[eagerSnake]

I'm ur cop duh

[eagerSnake]

And I'll inves whoever the heck I want

[eagerSnake]

Fos radical

[Radical Rat]

Okay, but what's the deal with 607. If you truly believed that Eggman was scum, why would you NOT want the responsibility for that?

That comment only makes sense if you expect a Town flip.

[eagerSnake]

Who says I have to make sense

[farside22]

Vote: vedith

[eagerSnake]

farside can you clarify why you are voting vedith

[Eggman]

Who says I have to make sense

Quote of the game right here.

No because I think either of us would be OK-ish lynches? Not good, but not terrible? I'm not sure what I'm saying.
Also, that would still leave me at L-1. Which I don't want.

So, you're saying that you're an Okay lynch?
If you were Town, wouldn't that be a bad lynch?

I kinda wanna call this a scumslip.

Yes, it is a bad lynch. I recognize my ability to usually be the VI (seems I'm more lurktastic this game) and said that to narrow the player pool to better ones than I. I'm very self-depreciative.
Also, I meant on the scale of 0= terrible lynch and 10= great lynch I'd be about 3?

[Radical Rat]

So you also think Vedith is a 3, since you said you were both the same?

[LAMIST]

Oh and Lamist can you please explain why I am scummy because of my discard ?
I could have taken that as scum and protected my buddy every night neh?

Fair enough, but to pass up on such a powerful role suggests you got something ,uch better. Scum have less need fir a Doctor than imo, but don't hold us liable in supporting that notion.

VOTE: Ryan

Also, you voted out town doc...
In fact, it was you tricking me that got me to vote there.

Tricked you ?
How does voting Ryan make me scum?

This 100%^.

Just one of many reasons Vedith needs rope.

Vedith is claiming Informed Quadruplet Voter who received a Courier message pre-game. Pretty suspicious and very unlikely. Whoever, if anyone, sent the Courier message to Vedith better speak now or Vedith needs rope.

[Radical Rat]

If this message is legit, the sender is scum.

Otherwise, they'd have come forward already.

[LAMIST]

Spoiler: A bunch of incriminating and/or important quotes from Vedith's ISO

Still think it's farside.

Farside is town, I received pre game information on this (not sure where from), just look else where.

Fixed

I'm assuming more then one scum group like the last game I was in.

I received pre game information that we are against 1 team. Most likely scum but isn't guaranteed.

To confirm, I received this information pre game

There is 1 anti town faction
Farside is not Mafia (My assumptions mean town)
There is 1 protective role in the game.

It was a message form the mod without anything else backing it.

Did the mod list what anti-town factions there possibly are?
Did the mod define protective role?

No. I was only given that information.
I assume that someone sent me it pre game

Oh I just realised LAMIST is Archer and Creature!
Hi guys! *waves*

Not me! Not yet! Why is he scum though? Buddying and jester fear?

Because I have a gut feeling!
I think Ryan is lying, but I don't think scum now.

Well you just said it so that makes you scum by your own logic

You realise that Lane can't be scum by default right?
It's in the site rules.

He's basically a more power Innocent Child in every game.

Can I

, like, fakeclaim Town Bus Driver? Then fakestate that the Mafia should

kill

me and I'll fakedrive myself and

Vedith tonight?

He's typing in code, scum don't have day chat!

One anti-town faction? What's the cult then? A pro-town faction?

It's not really a faction though, it's 3rd party so that's probably why.
I mean, we have no other protective, right?

I got a pre game message about Farside. Considering I'm quad voter, scum wouldn't get 4 votes.

Couldnt scum choose a town role with scum alignment or something

I think there's restrictions, like 4 vote, innocent child and masons etc.

because you could easily still be a quad voter scum all your votes are 1/4 votes

Learn the rules, I can't be scum with 4 votes...

Farside just think about it, scum are going to hammer me.
Unvote and we can work out who is scum.

I believe you to be town anyway even if the pre game information is a lie.

My play is obviously too scummy to be scum anyway.

VOTE: eagerSnake
VOTE: eagerSnake
VOTE: eagerSnake
VOTE: eagerSnake

I'm pretty sure scum is here.
He called me scum but didn't vote, think about it.

Hey guys I'm in the game too. Came on Day 1 to post and it was already over.

Anyway, we're confirmed multiball, and Vedith is being ridiculous.
Grand Idea was never meant to be a balanced setup, and even then, your "quad votes" are just a semantic thing. Innocent Child can't be scum because that's part of the role description. You have one vote that you can chop up into tiny useless pieces. That's just barely more than being a quad FOSer. On top of that, you claim to have believed this pregame information because it came from the mod, but specifically stated in D1 that you thought it was from a player.

So yeah, unless snake has something juicy on Eggman....
VOTE: Vedith

I don't think you're scum, so I recommend taking your vote off me until I can build a case.
Otherwise scum will come and hammer me and we lose.

Why is it so hard to believe that I got pre game information?
I mean, I'm proven town with my 4 votes!

LAMIST just scum slipped btw.
Said I claimed informed when I didn't.

I bet he sent me the information and is scum.

I can confirm there are zero VTs in this setup; in addition, no more Werewolves remain in this setup.

Here's what I think...
Mod gave wrong information to me so he mod killed an anti town faction.
Means there are more cults and no mafia.

I don't. It would have had to be planned from the beginning, and I find it unlikely to just pick a role out of a 100 page thread to fake.

Are you saying that Ircher isn't that skilled?!
I think he is...

I thought you were going to let me prove my case?!

Was your case NOT "Quad voter is conftown?"

No, that's just additional fact you need to consider.
Farside can see I'm town.

My play is too scummy to be scum, think about it.

VOTE: vedith

I've seen the too scummy to be scum defense used on other people, and be completely wrong more often than not. I've never seen it used in oneself. That's absurd

People self meta all the time, it's not actually an issue.
I will confirm again - I have 4 votes, I cannot be scum.

Titus, RR, LAMIST and Lane - All scum are in here.

I feel like hammering but my gut tells me not to right now.

Gut says to lynch Eggman

Don't rush the day...
I need to explain why I am town first. It makes no sense as me scum.

Also, I've been thinking about my information gained, and I'm starting to think that who ever sent it had to send 2 true comments and 1 lie.
Farside and 1 protective role is true (no one claimed another protective and I can't see anyone here as it)
The factions is a lie.

I found the role in the forum that does this, so I assume that someone got this and is scum.

Link the role

I can't remember what page.
It was in the middle somewhere I think.
I'll look at a later time and link it, and at least then I'll be proven town.

Too scummy to be scum is not settle meta. And you know I'm town. Don't be ridiculous. You're scum

It is self meta. I am too scummy to be scum, it's a fact.
Why do you want to risk some pleb hammering before we even get scum hunting going?

Have you been at work for the past 13 hours? I don't want this rushed necessarily, I'm just seeing a bunch of reasons to scumread you and none not to.

As far as your scum buddy goes... One might not exist. If the game doesn't end with your death though, I'd probably sheep Snake on Eggman.

Actually, now that I think about it, I haven't seen a post from Ivo all day. We can put pressure there and see what happens until you post this magical proof.

VOTE: Doc 'Botnik( Eggman )

I mean, I slept before work, then I went to work. Can I not sleep now?!
Thank you RR! I knew you were town.

I think Eggman and Shadow are most likely scum right now, both lurking.

VOTE: Ryan

Also, you voted out town doc...
In fact, it was you tricking me that got me to vote there.

Oh and Lamist can you please explain why I am scummy because of my discard ?
I could have taken that as scum and protected

my buddy

every night neh?

Admits that he has a buddy!
And I bet it's Eggman!

Hold up.

Vedith, when you're at L-1, it's dangerous and some spooky Scum could quickhammer you.

But Eggman at L-1 is perfectly fine?

Well he is scum.
I'm town...

What's your point?

Vedith, do you recall the name of this "Give Vedith two truths and a lie to frame him" role?

Not really, but I'll remember it later.

Vedith also promised a case and complains about a quick wagon but only on him.
Okay to hammer vote another player.
Logic
Yeah I'm not bitting.

I'm not sure of the vote count.
Consider me voting vedith.

WTF?
I thought you were town?

Not even just one word I can search the thread for?

Yeah, it had "town" in it, I remember that much.

I'm pretty sure the post number had 7 in it as well if that helps but I'll have to double check as I could be wrong there.

Lol. I giggled. Vedith friends the role, thinks "oh that's the role" and moves on without taking any mental notes besides it might have the number 7 in the post number and it's somewhere between the 1st and last page

No it's not like that at all! :/
I was looking for the role that gives me true information.
I saw this one and thought I'll go back if needed then I lost it.

I also said it has town, that's only like 20% on the thread alone. Town + 7 will be like 5 posts.

Lane is scum btw. He votes me and thinks my information received is a lie, yet he checked Titus last night?
Doesn't match up.

Happy to lynch Lane over Eggman.

We

had no reason to doubt your information until we got two scumflips from different factions though. At the time of N1, checking you was much less mandatory.

WE?!
You and Lane in PT?

Oh yeah, we're masons. Our PT consists 100% of quoting your posts with no commentary. It's a good time, you want masonized?

You really expect me to believe that Lane is a Mason cop?
This is a scum claim! You just claimed Mason with a cop, you fucked up!

I assumed your PT comment was a joke because I meant "we" as in the entire game, so I responded with a joke post.

I also said in my post about searching through the Town roles that I was being serious then, which implies that I was not before.

Fair enough... You could be telling the truth here actually.
I mean, why would you want to mason me if you think I'm scum anyway.
I guess that was a town slip from me though.

UNVOTE: all

Except that shouldn't have happened because you chose that for alignment not role.

No idea. Possibly a mod error?
I just take what's given to me.

There are three possibilities here:

1. Cakez has somehow fucked up incredibly as a mod
2. Vedith is lying
3. Vedith's mystery role does exist, and is 90% likely to be scum

1 I think. Although you make it sound worse than it really is.

As a jester right now I would be self voting.
I am town you idiots!

That vote is probably gonna change after Vedith's miracle defense though.

I already done it, you gave the one I was looking for.

Then why are you playing so ridiculously?

I'm not! I feel like only me and Farside are town here...

Dayvig falls under "other shenanigans"

Keeping him alive, while fun, is not exactly playing my wincon, sadly.

I am actually town btw, just trying to have a little fun. :<

We dont have time to go through & explain every single one, but it's quite obvious that Vedith is scum who is liking distancing from scum partner Eggman though I'm not 100% on the associative theory.

[LAMIST]

TL;DR:

1. Vedith's role is highly improbable.
2. The chance of a pre-game Courier is improbable.
3. Vedith takes every single opportunity he can to try to scumread someone else.
4. Vedith is using logical fallancies including AtE and misuse of information/made-up info to try to "clear" himself.
5. Vedith keeps scumreading Eggman yet it feels sorta staged.
6. Vedith is stalling for time.
7. Vedith is being very inconsistent and is making up and "correcting" things when it's convenient.

[LAMIST]

RR --> Stop giving in to Vedith's logical fallancies and hammer Vedith already.

[lane0168]

I'm ur cop duh

So we have 3 cops? Who did you investigate?