LoL eSports Discussion

[BROseidon]

lol immortals

[zoraster]

I mean they lost 3-2 to the third seed. That's obviously a disappointment for them and not what they would have expected, but it's not like when they got 3-0d by a then-6th seed.

Certainly better than Team Liquid, after all.

[zoraster]

EU is kind of fun because it means that if G2 loses to UoL it's really simple: UoL or Splyce needs to win the finals to get in without the gauntlet.

If G2 wins the finals, and H2K wins third, H2K goes. If UoL wins third, it looks like maybe Splyce makes it in over UoL because Splyce=90, UoL=80.

If G2 loses the finals to Splyce, it'll be Splyce+G2.

Because of worlds seeding giving EU two 2 seeds and no 1 seeds, G2 probably doesn't care too much about the result of the playoffs for seeding purposes (obviously they care because they should want to win and prove themselves).

[zoraster]

C9 will have 100 points if they lose the finals. They'll obviously go if they win the finals.
Immortals will have 120 or 90 points, third and fourth respectively.

If CLG wins today and they lose the finals, they go as second seed. In the case of CLG winning today, TSM will have either 140 or 110 points.

So if CLG wins today and C9 loses the finals, the winner of the TSM vs. IMT's third place match goes (120 vs. 110 if Immortal's wins)

If TSM wins the split, CLG goes as second seed (140 points vs. IMT's potential 120 or C9's potential 100).

If TSM wins today and loses in the finals, TSM will be second seed, C9 #1. (a tie between CLG at third and TSM at second would go to TSM because summer split trumps).

Obviously the gauntlet position matters. But basically C9 needs to win the split to go and avoid the gauntlet. CLG is in unless TSM loses to C9 in the finals. Immortals gets in only if CLG wins today and they get third place over TSM.

[dramonic]

I'm happy as long as C9 doesn't go :3

[zoraster]

If you say each team has a 50% chance of winning each match, their odds are well above 60%.

[dramonic]

Well yeah since they get 50% off of being in finals <_<
A MAN CAN DREAM

[Glork]

Because of worlds seeding giving EU two 2 seeds and no 1 seeds, G2 probably doesn't care too much about the result of the playoffs for seeding purposes (obviously they care because they should want to win and prove themselves).

Also, prize money.

[zoraster]

yeah. Not sure how they split it, but if it's just 5k per player extra (over second place) that's not a bad reason to try.

[Bins]

Yay so excited I get to watch C9 v TSM live!

[BROseidon]

I mean they lost 3-2 to the third seed. That's obviously a disappointment for them and not what they would have expected, but it's not like when they got 3-0d by a then-6th seed.

Certainly better than Team Liquid, after all.

Lol tl.

Also it's more how they lost. Huni got rekt.

[Papa Zito]

Yay so excited I get to watch C9 v TSM live!

wow you're so lucky

are you gonna wear a teemo hat??

[Cabd]

SO, we smelling franchising, or what?

#LCSForever

[Bins]

Yay so excited I get to watch C9 v TSM live!

wow you're so lucky

are you gonna wear a teemo hat??

I don't actually have anything from League of Legends except my Tibbers. Bulge has two shirts tho so I think I'll steal one.

I also have a C9 bracelet but I don't know if that's who I'll actually be cheering for (they're my two favourite teams).

[Papa Zito]

Clearly you should be cheering for TSM. I mean, come on. TSM.

Best case is Bulge (which I kept typing Bugle ffs) cheers for C9 that way you can rib him endlessly about how his teams sucks and got 3-0'd.

[Cabd]

I wish there was a world in which TSM wins but CLG doesn't make worlds.

I want TSM-C9-IMT at worlds.

[Bins]

Hopefully it's 5 games tho 8)

ya no love for CLG from me

[BROseidon]

SO, we smelling franchising, or what?

#LCSForever

I really hope not tbh.

Pro/Rel is a good system.

[Randomnamechange]

I wish there was a world in which TSM wins but CLG doesn't make worlds.

I want TSM-C9-IMT at worlds.

This is definitely the squad that should be going to worlds. As a C9 fan, it is a pretty low chance TSM loses the final :/

[zoraster]

SO, we smelling franchising, or what?

#LCSForever

I really hope not tbh.

Pro/Rel is a good system.

It's a better system when there's some inherent value in being a challenger team OUTSIDE of the possibility of getting to LCS. As it stands, it's pretty much a way to churn a profit by selling the spot.

And that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if it weren't clear there's basically no connection between buying a team and the players you use. C9C will sell its spot. Do you think Hai is going to play on that team? No, of course not. Because these are generally not well established teams, there's no fan loyalty to those teams in particular once they make it and the players are different.

"Owning" a team in League of Legends has a pretty hard cap to how much value it can generate. Typically sports offer teams ticket sales, broadcast rights, and concessions. Think about it: how do teams make money now? Merchandise and sponsorships. Even the Tampa Bay Rays get to sell tickets to the Yankees games. And to be clear, even if ticket sales were split between teams that wouldn't help that much because unlike other sports, Riot's profit doesn't come from anything to do with ticket sales or broadcasting. It comes from something that Riot will likely never share: skin sales.

The only real value to the teams is a perceived growth in esports which, without changes, mistakenly thinks there's a lot of growth in profits to teams. Which leads to inflated valuations and prices. But even if LoL were to become as established as the NFL, as long as Riot has the major potential profit centers, team ownership is hamstrung.

[SleepyKrew]

Why would you want IMT to go to worlds and embarrass NA?

[zoraster]

Do you think CLG is likely to do better?

[SleepyKrew]

CLG were respectable at MSI. And I think they're less likely to do something completely boneheaded.
(plus I want to see players shittalk Huhi)

[hitogoroshi]

God, Lyon is just beautiful to watch in IWCQ.

If Unicorns don't make Worlds I'm going as a Lyon fan for sure.

[Bins]

when u see cop in h&m but literally run away because ur a pussy :'(