Newbie 1730 - To The North (Game Over)

[Transcend]

like i said, if you voted me when you were online (i didn't see pp or ironstove online at the same time) it would've been an obvious blitz attempt.

regardless, i'm not voting you today, or the next day or even in the next 3 days.

so you can chill.

[innocentvillager]

i seriously think your name is going to have red font in it from the host

but i promise i won't make another vote until we've had a few days of discussion.

I do this a lot when I think someone is scum/town. I townread one, then scumread the other, then they cc each other. Naturally, I should just vote the scumread and be done right? He was scummy all game! Right, no, especially if the scumread was the one who told someone else to unvote me. Then, what trumps your previous "read" on people, is what they've actually done as their role. Looking at all aspects of how they would have played as scum or said PR (2 angles per person) would be essential to understanding the true game that each player has been playing.

Also, don't forget that it's easier to scumread PRs over VTs since PR game is a lot like scumgame.

[Transcend]

yes i know, prs are hiding something much like scum. they tend to be more scummy.

[innocentvillager]

Yeah I admit I went too hard.

Honestly, I just found out about a really upsetting RL event so I am kind of channeling my anger into this game, hence why I am more agitated than usual (also, I would've been heated anyway after being almost wagoned by a scum!cc and a probably townie). I apologize if I crossed in line in the past few pages.

[Transcend]

but here's something:

why would Joushi cc you when you stated that mafia were IS/PP and if he were scum with one of them he'd let you lead a ML on the other one?

I don't see Joushi ccing you as scum

but again I won't vote.

pedit: condolences for whatever happened, and no you never crossed the line. or even got anywhere close.

[Transcend]

of course: i find myself a very difficult person to offend. hence why i'm able to talk shit and take the hit.

[innocentvillager]

Because Joushi has a lot of towncred and he may have been planning to cc PR this whole time? Also, if his partner was IS, then he might not take the chance here.

[Transcend]

i'll think about it quite a bit more, but i'd probably be voting you now if joushi hadn't instantly voted me.

[innocentvillager]

Clarify the second statement: If Joushi claimed VT here and let me lead as uncc'd tracker, it's very possible that ironstove might've gotten lynched and that I would've rethought my PP read.

It's not like I was 100% on iron/PP. He probably thought this way was cleaner, especially if he was planning it.

[innocentvillager]

Sure. I need sleep. I'll let PP come in and weigh in because a lot of shit just happened in the last couple pages.

[innocentvillager]

I honestly thought that he thought you were maybe softing PR and didn't expect me to be the actual tracker here, especially after he hard townread me at the beginning of D3 lol, hence the quick vote on you.

It seemed too rehearsed. The day starts, and, boom, there's the vote on you.

[Transcend]

sleep well homes

[Joushi]

Alright alright alright, not closed but we're mostly empty now and boy like 2 pages have passed. Wall incoming.

Okay with regards to the setup C thing, why do you think I yelled at everyone to not make enomis claim??? Maybe because I knew EnT was obvtown, and he was claiming doctor! I didn't want to fucking out the doctor! Joushi on the other hand, made this obv fucking town doctor claim! I mean like what the fuck? How are you not seeing this?

Or... because you knew he was town and wanted to deny the rest of us information. To everybody else, he was at best probably-pr, and after my unexplained NV I would probably never have left that wagon. The town was quite divided, and while you may argue it is bad play it doesn't change the fact that Karnos, Transcend, and Stove were all pushing alongside me. Karnos already flipped town, and I think only you think that Stove is scum. You can't say that pushing the reveal is therefore indicative of scum, and the opposite is just as true.

Joushi did you crumb? Lol, I didn't think so.

I literally learned what crumbing was TODAY. As I said at the beginning of the thread, I haven't played mafia in FIVE YEARS. How the hell am I supposed to crumb if I don't even know what it is?

ALSO PLEASE ASK FOR A SPEED NIGHT. I DONT WANT TO WAIT FOREVER FOR SCUM TO KILL THE FUCKING TRACKER.

You can do this? I always thought scum was just taking as much time as they could to discuss things...

A real tracker will generally not just track their top scumread if both scum are alive, since the scummier person will generally not submit the kill.

Hey welcome to newbie games! Why do you think I'm playing in this queue when I have played before? Because I'm rusty as hell and didn't think that far ahead!

Note that the only reason Joushi was tunneling Enefpe D1 was because he didn't like his attitude. Yeah, sure, I didn't either, he was total fucking dick that had no respect for the mod or for the game. But does that mean he's scum? Absolutely not! Newbtown would realize this.

There is no pause in D1 for why he kept hardtunneing Enefpe other than stuff like general unhelpfulness, rudeness, etc., which clearly aren't scumtells. The fact that he didn't even question this makes Joushi either a horribad town player or newbscum that is looking for a reason to have a consistent read.

Enefpe was incredibly dismissive D1 without actually showing any evidence to the contrary of ANYTHING AT ALL EVER. In my experience that has generally been because they are hiding things. At the same time, you know who I didn't have any scumreads on throughout D1? Just about anybody except Transcend, who I am now fairly confident is town unless he has the most well done bus I've ever seen.

I do this a lot when I think someone is scum/town. I townread one, then scumread the other, then they cc each other. Naturally, I should just vote the scumread and be done right? He was scummy all game! Right, no, especially if the scumread was the one who told someone else to unvote me.

Unless I need townpoints before I make a false claim!

Then, what trumps your previous "read" on people, is what they've actually done as their role. Looking at all aspects of how they would have played as scum or said PR (2 angles per person) would be essential to understanding the true game that each player has been playing.

Bold added

Yeah I admit I went too hard.

Honestly, I just found out about a really upsetting RL event so I am kind of channeling my anger into this game, hence why I am more agitated than usual (also, I would've been heated anyway after being almost wagoned by a scum!cc and a probably townie). I apologize if I crossed in line in the past few pages.

The player in me hates it, but the person in me is fine with it. You're good on that front, hope things resolve there alright

I honestly thought that he thought you were maybe softing PR and didn't expect me to be the actual tracker here, especially after he hard townread me at the beginning of D3 lol, hence the quick vote on you.

It seemed too rehearsed. The day starts, and, boom, there's the vote on you.

I had you pegged for VT for forever in this game and had no reason to change my reasoning until you claimed tracker. Most of my first post of the day was prewritten in a response to Karnos since I expected it would be the first thing peopled started talking about. Everything else, I'm not in multiple games so every time I checked to see if the night was over I thought about the game. When the day started, hey look, the doctor died as expected! Whoa... I just put in writing what I'd be thinking for the last several days, seems rehearsed!

Spoiler: Things Transcend Already Said For Me

TRANSCEND HOW FUCKING BAD ARE YOU

I COULD'VE HAD YOU AUTOLYNCHED RIGHT NOW

I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU ARE THIS BAD

i don't read previous games

penguin hasn't responded to this thread before but he was online. stove was also online iirc.

neither of them have posted in the thread.

they might not be aware that the day even started.

okay iv: you have a solid point, but unfortunately it does not 100% clear you because if you have a scum partner they didn't post in the thread when you were both online simultaneously to quickblitz.

like i said, if you voted me when you were online (i didn't see pp or ironstove online at the same time) it would've been an obvious blitz attempt.

Spoiler: Miscellaneous

I wanted to out him because I got a NV on someone WHO COULD ONLY BE THE DOCTOR IF THEY WEREN'T LYING

what kind of doctor

should

you

expect to

get a NV on?

Please respond to this. (slight edits made in bold)

however, joushi: you do have to realize that you are sorta mechanically confirmed mafia to me.

but like my gut is telling me no.

I actually don't understand what you mean by this. Mechanically confirmed?

I explained why I tracked you n1.

I must have missed it. Link?

That's why I was on edge about Joushi N1 so I submitted the Joushi track pretty late into the night with the added plus that Joushi would have submitted the kill unless his partner was townier perceived than him. That's why he was an optimal track N1: I had some private reservations about Joushi, and he was relatively townread that an NV would make him-scum MUCH less likely. I didn't actually consider an ironstove/Joushi scumteam, I thought that was kind of ludicrous. But hindsight/confbias I guess, makes anything seem more obvious.

I really don't understand why my claim makes you suspect Stove

FUCK I DON'T WANT TO FORMAT ALL OF THIS FUCKING DEAL WITH IT

[Transcend]

joushi sounds more genuine

logic says joushi wolf

gut says iv wolf

and i'm leaning heavily towards my gut rn

[Joushi]

Could you clarify what you mean by mechanically confirmed?

[Transcend]

as in you voted me and i didn't get blitzed by anyone when all 3 of the other slots popped online (but didn't post in this thread).

[Joushi]

I mean, assuming you're town and not bussing the hell out of IV, you said yourself that if he voted without his partner online would be like an obvious blitz

Neither of the other two have popped in at all and I wouldn't stick my head out in that situation without knowing my partner is active either so like sure I guess

[Transcend]

but the fact is, sometimes people risk it for the biscuit, because the payout is so high.

you think i'm town now because of wolf IV?

[Joushi]

I'm not sure tbh, I haven't been so wrong about a game like ever before so I'm not sure what to think

[Transcend]

what all were you wrong about?

fiddler was a compromise lynch

and i don't think you were even voting karnos? correct me if wrong.

[Joushi]

I was on the Karnos wagon, but I mostly voted there because I didn't think I could lead a wagon on you properly and compromised

I didn't vote for Fiddler

Enefpe/Enomis was doctor when I was so convinced otherwise for so long

IV is scum when he was my like my second townread behind Stove

I'm loathe to think I'm wrong on you being scum but I think I must be

[Transcend]

i have a scummy playstyle that you'll probably get used to if you play with me more

i got lynchbaited in my first two newbie games

so your scumread on me is justified, just wrong.

[ironstove]

IV why are you scum reading me? POE?

meta defense: I am too awful of a player when I roll mafia to have survived this long without someone suspecting me as a strong scum read

[ironstove]

If IV was mafia, why did he not blitz Transcend (Assuming he is town) when Joushi (Assuming he is town) parked his lynch on Transcend?

I understand the time difference between the posts was about 1 hour, but it's interesting that day starts @ ~1 PM, Joushi makes his post and Transcend immediately follows up asking Joushi to remove the posts like within 15 min, but he follows up with a post:

Fucking hell Xalxe i stayed up all night to make sure to tell no one to vote and you start the day late.

If you stayed up all night to tell everyone to not vote, I mean, you had 6 hours to do so, but you conveniently popped up immediately after Joushi.

Anyway, if that's the case then I think IV is town, if IV is town, then Joushi is scum. If Joushi is scum, this confirms for me that Transcend is town.

[ironstove]

I think 1 hour is more than enough time to blitz sometime, I'll admit I hadn't checked on the thread because 3 days of night is ridiculously long and I am signed in other games, I forgot to check on this one.

I'd also like to ask for a fast night, I didn't know that was an option.