Open 652- Making Friends and Enemies: Over

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Maybe you're wrong on one and the other is a bus?
I don't even get this complaint.
If you require nothing but your town reads to be on a wagon on Day 1 - then you are playing weird.

My complaint is I don't like the wagon composition - I think that is fairly obvious?

It's not that I require 'nothing but town reads on the wagon' but it's more I don't want to join a wagon that has two people on it who I think could be scum.

Since Tex has replaced in, there has been nothing that is AI from her for me. Usually, that wouldn't bother me and I'd give it time but I'm usually pretty good at reading Tex when she is town and I'm not getting that this game at all. The flip side is what I stated above - I'm really not comfortable with both Hark and Karnos on the wagon and I think there are much better lynches today.

Also, I find the wagon kind of weird? Like, I can completely understand why Martha was run up - but I don't get the reignition of the wagon after Tex replaced in. I don't know what it means but I know I don't like it.

[Thor665]

It's not that I require 'nothing but town reads on the wagon' but it's more I don't want to join a wagon that has two people on it who I think could be scum.

This reads as an absolute contradiction.
Unless your claim is, you're okay with a single townread, but otherwise want it all town/nullreads.

[Thor665]

but I don't get the reignition of the wagon after Tex replaced in. I don't know what it means but I know I don't like it.

This is actually incorrect.
There was a decelleration of the wagon after the replace (for reasons I can't explain) which even included some people calling the slot townish now that Tex was there.
Then, after multiple days and the N_M flash wagon the wagon built back up.

[Harkonnen97]

@thor
yes
but thats not the only reason im voting her
even if none of you are her bussing scumpartners, she is still scummy
first time i accused her she defended with ate
now she omgused

[Thor665]

@thor
yes
but thats not the only reason im voting her
even if none of you are her bussing scumpartners, she is still scummy
first time i accused her she defended with ate
now she omgused

I understand reasons for voting the slot - I'm voting it also.
I'm just trying to understand the shift, because it parses weird.

[Zyf]

lit
VOTE: Hark
No clue how many votes that is so be careful

[Harkonnen97]

vc please

[Zyf]

vc please

^^^
Save the dragons needs to stop saving dragons and start saving time for us

[Harkonnen97]

btw if i'm put at l-1 not_mafia may or may not lolhammer me.

[Harkonnen97]

don't ask me how i know. call it spider sense

[karnos]

@BBT

Scums always say that.

Scums, not scum.

We've started just awhile ago. And I'm just playing dumb since it's still the start of the game.

She continually said she was playing dumb, even after I made comment that "playing dumb" implies you are doing it on purpose. I think maybe she was just saying she was playing poorly and had the wrong word in there? I dunno.

When BBT serious votes me, I was kinda "meh.. wrong choice of person" then immediately voted Not_Mafia and stated RVS because I don't want BBT to think I didn't know his vote is RVS since I asked him why - And I am not serious about that either, I just want an answer like, "Oh because he's scum" then it turned out the thing I was not expecting.

That is one sentence. Really, it is. Can anyone read it and decipher the intended meaning?

Soo, Yeah it's just the start of the game so I am playing dumb but right now, I'm not since there's something to go on like my wagon or shit.

What was that?

Shut up. I'm reading back.

Reading back? Obviously she meant re-reading, but again it points to a bit of language confusion.

Is this what you were asking about? This is just a few choice examples of "Marthaisms". It all looked to me like someone writing in a second language, without a firm grasp of meaning for words and phrases. We mostly understood her, but some of those posts just sound so wrong.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

This reads as an absolute contradiction.
Unless your claim is, you're okay with a single townread, but otherwise want it all town/nullreads.

Except it doesn't? Why are you trying to make a big deal out of this?

2 people I am scum reading are on the wagon - this makes me uncomfortable joining it. One of those scum reads is my biggest scum read - this makes me uncomfortable with joining the wagon.

If the wagon had 3 town reads, 3 null reads and a scum read I would join it. If it was 5 town and 2 null, I would join it. Etc etc

Like, seriously Thor, what the fuck?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'll get to that post when on OC because quote walls.

[Zyf]

jesus karnos is so bad tho

[Zyf]

I was going to give you places indicating that i always make by L-1's bolded and giant as fuck
but i can't b/c locked threads

What a bizarre thing to say.

You can still link to posts in locked threads.

oh i didn't know that
I was trying to quote it

Edit: Let's not talk about ongoing games, thank you ~STD

ayy lmao it's over

[Not_Mafia]

My conclusions

BBT is scum, I can read him

[Zyf]

My conclusions

BBT is scum, I can read him

oh sick

i'm not trusting you

[Not_Mafia]

At your peril

[Zyf]

At your peril

you're not explaining yourself well at all

[karnos]

lmao

the point is that the texcat slot HAS had interactions that can connect to leads of some sort
I'm not gonna fucking do that early because at this point I don't think it's a good lynch anymore
VOTE: karnos

what the fuck is with your constant misrepresentations of my intentions/implications of my writing and complete lack of interest in doing anything with it?

This is gold. I call you out for being non-committal on the wagon when it was Martha, and point out how it looks like you were scum trying to fake interactions, and your response is to jump off the wagon yet again. You are scum with texcat, aren't you? Nice try at diverting the wagon.

Summary for those who missed it:

Zyf claimed that he was voting texcat purely because of the actions of martha, pre-replace. He said texcat has done nothing alignment-indicative.

But zyf had unvoted martha before the replace occurred, and then revoted after texcat came in.

And now zyf has unvoted again. I think he has voted and unvoted this slot 6-8 times this game, it's really pretty absurd.

[karnos]

i dont mean that you imply that specifically ME is bussing tex. im talking that some players (who include you) have been talking from the viewpoint that tex is confirmed scum

Just to clarify, that is not what I was trying to imply. I have some doubts about texcat, but nonetheless my top 2 scum reads were not_mafia and her.

The reason I think zyf is bussing is his crazy pattern of votes on the slot. He calls out something as scummy, votes the slot, unvotes it, revotes it, unvotes it again, etc. The common pattern is that he is voting when there isn't much of a wagon or at least when it's fairly far from hitting a lynch, and then he unvotes when it looks like a lynch might actually realistically happen. If texcat is scum, this is a strong sign that zyf is a scum partner, trying to fake interactions but also trying to keep texcat from actually getting lynched.

It wouldn't shock me to see zyf finally give up and re-vote texcat in time for the lynch, because once I start talking about the scummy behavior the natural reaction is for scum to try to change up their pattern.

[Zyf]

lmao

the point is that the texcat slot HAS had interactions that can connect to leads of some sort
I'm not gonna fucking do that early because at this point I don't think it's a good lynch anymore
VOTE: karnos

what the fuck is with your constant misrepresentations of my intentions/implications of my writing and complete lack of interest in doing anything with it?

This is gold. I call you out for being non-committal on the wagon when it was Martha, and point out how it looks like you were scum trying to fake interactions, and your response is to jump off the wagon yet again. You are scum with texcat, aren't you? Nice try at diverting the wagon.

Summary for those who missed it:

Zyf claimed that he was voting texcat purely because of the actions of martha, pre-replace. He said texcat has done nothing alignment-indicative.

But zyf had unvoted martha before the replace occurred, and then revoted after texcat came in.

And now zyf has unvoted again. I think he has voted and unvoted this slot 6-8 times this game, it's really pretty absurd.

can we talk about how karnos is exclusively pushing things he should've pushed a long time ago?

Yes I revoted after texcat came in
That just means I liked the lynch based on others' interactions with the wagon
texcat still hasn't done jack shit

I have in fact changed my vote multiple times
it's not AI for me. I do it all the time regardless of alignment.
It's how I play. Naturally, you're ignoring the fact that I already stated that to Io.

[Zyf]

I unvote and revote a lot
deal with it, scumfuck.

[Zyf]

VOTE: Karnos

constant fucking tunnel based on terrible reasons

[Thor665]

This reads as an absolute contradiction.
Unless your claim is, you're okay with a single townread, but otherwise want it all town/nullreads.

Except it doesn't? Why are you trying to make a big deal out of this?

2 people I am scum reading are on the wagon - this makes me uncomfortable joining it. One of those scum reads is my biggest scum read - this makes me uncomfortable with joining the wagon.

If the wagon had 3 town reads, 3 null reads and a scum read I would join it. If it was 5 town and 2 null, I would join it. Etc etc

Like, seriously Thor, what the Smurf?

Well, what the Smurf back?
You appear to be saying exactly what I said to you - that somehow you're okay with one scumread on a wagon but not 2 or more.
I do think that's a very silly stance to take on Day 1, because it's the point you have the least info, and the best move is to get a scumread lynched, as opposed to lynching a town or a null read.
Since your two scum reads voted back to back, I'll go ahead and make the fairly reasonable educated guess that they are not scum together.
At that point you're down to a theory one scum n a wagon, presuming all your reads are fairly accurate.
Yet you're stonewalling a scumread wagon based on that to the point of *ignoring your awareness of a player*.

So you tell me what's going on, and stop acting like I'm being wacky for questioning this thought process.