Queen of Hearts [Game Over]

[PeregrineV]

We are 5:2 now.

and you...

you are probably the single worst mafia player i've ever had the mispleasure of being stuck in a game with. i don't think i've ever seen you help town in any way

first, let's examine the fact that there was almost zero chance maestro wasn't paranoid. the only time fakegod has run a cop in any of his recent games is kuribo in wonderland - a game where there were multiple cops of unknown sanity and the setup was known to include a godfather. outside of that? never done. he's run limited utility ones (including a novice one), variations of cop (like parity cop), etc, but never a full cop. let alone a full cop THAT CAN ALSO VIG HIS TARGETS. that's an insanely powerful role and not something any sane fucking mod includes in a setup. i explained yesterday that it was unlikely fakegod included a full cop on several fucking occasions. and oh, what happened next? you fucking stumble into the thread like "DURRRR LET'S LYNCH THE GUILTY HURRRR FUCKING DURRRRRRRRRR". good one, fuckwit

next, let's examine the chance we're at 5:2. there are NO town investigative roles. all of the town power roles (vigs and complusive bodyguards) are INHERENTLY ANTITOWN. there was a chance, albeit remote, that the game could have ended in a scum win n2, but even disregarding that, town has no real power, let alone power enough to fucking counter a bulletproof scum vig in a game where it wouldn't be strange for several town deaths to happen on any given night (and we got pretty lucky in that respect). this setup isn't fucking 13:4. it's 14:3. look at previous fakegod setups to get a good fucking idea of what sort of setups he runs. notice a fucking theme? he stacks power on low number scum teams or gives shitall power to higher number scum teams. all of the previous setups like this one have been 14:3 and guess what? scum won pretty much all of them, too. you think fakegod was like, "well, i know scum have been winning a lot of these 14:3 setups but fuck it... ima include one of them most insanely powerful scum roles ever created (bookie) and give them an extra player to boot. then i'm gonna gimp all the town power roles for shits and giggles"?

jesus fucking christ

I think my online feelings are hurt.

Fuckwit, indeed.

[zMuffinMan]

i don't care about hurting your feelings

i am just stating facts

while others might give you a run for your money in terms of bad play, the sheer length of time you've been consistently bad at mafia makes you outshine them all in the bad play department. you have never helped town, in any game you've ever played. you've never been an asset to town. the only reason you'll have ever been night-killed in any game you're in is because of your role; scum never consider you a threat.

my heart sinks whenever i see you in a player list

[kraska77]

No toxic

[Untrod Tripod]

Lol

Get over yourself. We lynch cop guilties.

[Untrod Tripod]

So what do the people who want to actually play the game want to do? We could lynch muffins! Or iraon or ank. Or pv even! So many possibilities

Why are we assuming 5:2 pv?

How do we know we're 5:2 btw? Is that just a guess or....?

[zMuffinMan]

i guess you gotta hope town lynches me before lylo, huh? or that i die overnight, but hey, any sane scum that isn't you isn't going to kill me unless they think i'm joking about voting you in my first post every single day and never moving my vote

[Untrod Tripod]

So wait, are you actually assuming I'm scum or what? That sounds more like you're mad that we didn't do exactly what you want anted

[zMuffinMan]

not mad, disappointed - it feels like a waste of time to both consider the setup, discuss the claims, talk about optimal strategy, only for you, PV and maestro to take a giant dump on my chest then hold my head up and yell in my face (spit flying everywhere to drive the point home), "you see that? that's what we think of your posts. take a good whiff, muffin, and get used to it, because it's all you should expect from a mafia game."

but yes i want you dead for both doing what you did yesterday and the possibility that you're just scum

[Untrod Tripod]

Lynching ckd led to 2 dead town instead of 3. It made more sense.

[Untrod Tripod]

But I suppose you would rather yell about how you're so m7ch smarter than us so we deserve a bunch of verbal abuse because you didn't get your way.

[Ankamius]

Muffin: What is your actual case on UT?

[zMuffinMan]

Lynching ckd led to 2 dead town instead of 3. It made more sense.

yeah... nobody is this stupid

[zMuffinMan]

i literally outlined the optimal play. i've quoted it today. i talked about it on more than one occasion yesterday. maestro also talked about it (but still somehow ended up voting ckd...)

there's no way you missed it

and there's no way you believe that "durr 2 better than 3" is justification for it

[zMuffinMan]

Muffin: What is your actual case on UT?

that i think he's more likely scum than other people

since when do you care about cases

[Maestro]

I told everyone, multiple times, that I was going to go with whatever everybody wanted to do even if it wasn't what I was hoping we'd do. And as you already noticed, I voted ckd not knowing that within hours I'd get back and the Day would be over. Take your rage elsewhere, Muffin.

[Untrod Tripod]

Sorry to disappoint. I guess I'm just that dumb

[Ankamius]

Muffin: What is your actual case on UT?

that i think he's more likely scum than other people

since when do you care about cases

A combination of:

1. Our reads are different
2. Partially because of #1, You did something drastically different from what I was expecting
3. Partially because of #2, my view of the gamestate is shifting
4. As a result of #3, I want to reshift my reads to better match my new view of the gamestate
5. Because I know you're not an idiot so I want to know if you're seeing something I'm not.

[iraonavp]

Ira came up guilty but yeah I'm paranoid

I know, it was really obvious that curiouskarmadog was town-aligned but the adults were talking...

I protected Maestro, because he is confirmed as town-aligned.

PeregrineV is clearly town-aligned now... And zMuffinMan is maybe town-aligned.

VOTE: kraska77

[iraonavp]

Also @maestro why irao when everyone wants his flip asap? Why delay his death

This is basically claiming that she is frustrated that I can't be mislynched any more... That's a really weird thing to think of, not natural at all.

Also, it is a slip because kraska77 knows I am town-aligned. Otherwise that point doesn't make any sense, you wouldn't berate or throw shade onto someone who'd just marked one of your scum-aligned reads for death, would you?

Otherwise, it would be Untrod Tripod. But I don't really think so...

[iraonavp]

VoteCount 2.5

DrippingGoofball [4] - Seraphim, kraska77, thenewearth x2
iraonavp [3] - zMuffinMan,

Katsuki, Froot Loop

Katsuki [8] - Vedith, DrippingGoofball, Ankamius, iraonavp, SirCakez, Untrod Tripod, PeregrineV, curiouskarmadog [LYNCH]

Not Voting [1]

- Spiffeh

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2016-08-29 15:00:00)

I would kind of like to lynch Iraonavp, but scum were trying to move the lynch from Kat to him.

Ankamius is also cleared in the same way...

[iraonavp]

We are 5:2 now.

and you...

you are probably the single worst mafia player i've ever had the mispleasure of being stuck in a game with. i don't think i've ever seen you help town in any way

first, let's examine the fact that there was almost zero chance maestro wasn't paranoid. the only time fakegod has run a cop in any of his recent games is kuribo in wonderland - a game where there were multiple cops of unknown sanity and the setup was known to include a godfather. outside of that? never done. he's run limited utility ones (including a novice one), variations of cop (like parity cop), etc, but never a full cop. let alone a full cop THAT CAN ALSO VIG HIS TARGETS. that's an insanely powerful role and not something any sane fucking mod includes in a setup. i explained yesterday that it was unlikely fakegod included a full cop on several fucking occasions. and oh, what happened next? you fucking stumble into the thread like "DURRRR LET'S LYNCH THE GUILTY HURRRR FUCKING DURRRRRRRRRR". good one, fuckwit

next, let's examine the chance we're at 5:2. there are NO town investigative roles. all of the town power roles (vigs and complusive bodyguards) are INHERENTLY ANTITOWN. there was a chance, albeit remote, that the game could have ended in a scum win n2, but even disregarding that, town has no real power, let alone power enough to fucking counter a bulletproof scum vig in a game where it wouldn't be strange for several town deaths to happen on any given night (and we got pretty lucky in that respect). this setup isn't fucking 13:4. it's 14:3. look at previous fakegod setups to get a good fucking idea of what sort of setups he runs. notice a fucking theme? he stacks power on low number scum teams or gives shitall power to higher number scum teams. all of the previous setups like this one have been 14:3 and guess what? scum won pretty much all of them, too. you think fakegod was like, "well, i know scum have been winning a lot of these 14:3 setups but fuck it... ima include one of them most insanely powerful scum roles ever created (bookie) and give them an extra player to boot. then i'm gonna gimp all the town power roles for shits and giggles"?

jesus fucking christ

You should relax, friend... It's just a game, you know...

[iraonavp]

So what do the people who want to actually play the game want to do? We could lynch muffins! Or iraon or ank. Or pv even! So many possibilities

Why are we assuming 5:2 pv?

How do we know we're 5:2 btw? Is that just a guess or....?

Okay, maybe they are both scum-aligned then...

[Maestro]

Ira, nobody is confirmed Town right now. And you definitely aren't.

[iraonavp]

Well, you are confirmed as town-aligned, but I never said I was... I am town-aligned, though!

[Maestro]

No, I'm not. That's how I know you're a moron.