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[BROseidon]

Leper gnome is still playable.

[BROseidon]

As is force tbh

[BROseidon]

And Bgh is still really good.

Remove a 5+ mana minion for 5 that gives you a 4/2 body is still really good

[BROseidon]

I didn't think leper gnome was ever overpowered, no clue why it got nerfed.

The problem isn't that Leper Gnome was OP, it was that, for aggro decks, it made no sense to ever not run it. Now there's actual tradeoff (do you go for the 1/1 with a guaranteed 2 damage to face attached for it, or do you go for a slightly larger minion that may get removed, traded, etc)

[BROseidon]

Also Kibler's point on Blade Flury makes a lot of sense.

It's not that Blade Flurry is OP. It's that it prevents Blizzard from doing a ton of shit with the Rogue class because of the potential for it to be OP.

[BROseidon]

Basically it's not a balance issue - it's a design space issue.

[BROseidon]

Also Kibler predicts that Abusive Sergeant will also get changed a la Leper Gnome eventually.

[BROseidon]

Yeah, Druid is still fine. It just plays differently now, instead of just trying to get you to 14 then denying you board every game.

[BROseidon]

Kibler's latest upload makes you realize that:

1) Freeze Mage should have gotten a nerf because it's dumb.
2) Thaurissan was a terrible card to make.

[BROseidon]

Freeze mage having 29 damage from hand and 1 from board to end a game is super, super dumb.

Thaurissan allows that >:C

[BROseidon]

Yeah, Mad Scientist isn't that massive of a nerf, especially with anti-kill bot rotating out.

[BROseidon]

Kibler's latest upload makes you realize that:

1) Freeze Mage should have gotten a nerf because it's dumb.
2) Thaurissan was a terrible card to make.

where is this list?

It's a video on Kibler's channel. He was playing a torch-freeze Mage and it was dumb

[BROseidon]

Ugh I don't know what to replace Crackle with in Red Deck Wins Shaman. I have Wolfrider for now :/

[BROseidon]

Kind of re: the freeze mage discussion:
I want everyone to note how a priest just did 40 damage from hand to me after one round of thaurissan reduction -.-
(prophet velen -> embrace the shadow -> 2*flash heal -> 2*mind blast)

Holy shit.

Delete thaurissan

[BROseidon]

Ugh I don't know what to replace Crackle with in Red Deck Wins Shaman. I have Wolfrider for now :/

I think I replaced crackle with the 7/7 overload guy.

The aggro shaman i'm using right now is

2x Bolt
2x RB Weapon
2x Sergeant
1x Argent Squire
Finley
2x Trogg
Ancesterl knowledge
2x eternal sentinel
2x flame jiggler
2x flametongue totem
2 x totem golem
2x feral spirit
2x lava burst
2x argent horseman'
tuskarr totemic
2x flameweatherfacess
2x DOOMHAMMAH

This is super different than the list I run. Yours is much more focused on getting damage via board control. My version GOES FACE.

[BROseidon]

The Shaman list i'm using at the moment, it's been working out well.

This is close to what I'm running. I have 2x leper gnome, 2x wolfrider instead of the new cards, though.

Probably swapping out wolfrider for the 7/7, though

[BROseidon]

Yeah I made the swap and the deck is even dumber than before.

[BROseidon]

Play more aggro shaman.

Is cheap OP as fuck deck

[BROseidon]

Made Reno/Elise warrior.

Fuck having decisions to make beyond "to face or not to face"

[BROseidon]

BECAUSE I'M ONLY GOING FACE GOING FACE, NO TRADING
ONLY GOING FACE, GOING FACE, NO TRADING

[BROseidon]

Even vs face shaman?

[BROseidon]

but...forbidden healing...

Meets more burn bitch!

[BROseidon]

Oh lol.

Yeah I burned all my dust making my warrior deck

[BROseidon]

Justicar and sylvanas are expensive. Thankfully I already had Harrison jones

[BROseidon]

So the Dreamhack Austin Top 16 decklists are out.

Warrior (Control, Tempo), Shaman (Aggro, Midrange), and Warlock (Zoo) are all super common/dominant. Rogue also had a very good showing (Miracle, Maly), so lol @ everyone who thought Rogue would die with the BF nerf.

No hunters. Mage also had a weak showing.

[BROseidon]

Aggro Shaman is probably just going to be the meta-defining deck at this point. Not too bad, given that it has a fairly flat matchup spread against anything that isn't super-greed control.

[BROseidon]

Yeah, and the fact that you can't ban BOTH out in tourney play means that you can't be super greedy there, either (since there are bound to be players who are running both or one + Tempo Warrior)

[BROseidon]

Like, people bitch about aggro being no-skill and unfun to play against, but they prevent the game from devolving into "play the things that just give the most value because lol you're never under early pressure"

[BROseidon]

stonetusk boar + mark of yshaarj

That was dumb.

[BROseidon]

Glork wrecked me that game!

[BROseidon]

Gorehowl to face is a great finisher!

[BROseidon]

Wut.

Never spectate me unless you want cancer. I play mainly face shaman, but I sometimes mix in Reno/Elise warrior for extra cancer

[BROseidon]

Paladin.

[BROseidon]

Paladin, because Mustard is so good, then probably Mage, because Flamestrike is so good.

Rogue is second best because tempo+countering paladin

[BROseidon]

Mage is third

[BROseidon]

Rogue is also significantly harder to draft well than Mage

True. Rogue takes skill

[BROseidon]

Sap is insane in draft

[BROseidon]

Arena is all about dat tempo

[BROseidon]

You also need sylvanas if you don't have her

[BROseidon]

Tbh, is Alex used outside of freeze Mage and dragons?

[BROseidon]

Just be a shaman shithead.

Aggro shaman is great!

[BROseidon]

Is that AP?

[BROseidon]

win!

[BROseidon]

Beast Druid is going to be a top-tier deck now.

[BROseidon]

Guys resurrect priest is probably good

[BROseidon]

[BROseidon]

Chess took me like 20 minutes to figure out.

It requires a little luck on the starting draw, though.

[BROseidon]

PURIFY PRIEST TIME

[BROseidon]

MY FIRST GAME IS GOING VERY WELL.

TURN 2 4/5 IS VERY STRONG

[BROseidon]

2-0 with Purify Priest so far.

Am I doing this right?

[BROseidon]

4-1.

Got aggro'd out by a paladin that I mulliganned wrong for.

At low ranks, purify priest is viable. I wonder how high I can go with this.

[BROseidon]

5-1 with Beast Druid so far.

Beast Druid might actually be pretty good?

[BROseidon]

Priest of the Feast is very good.

[BROseidon]

Tbh I think that Beast Druid is a bit scarier than Shaman with a god-draw because innervate and Mark of Y'Shaarj are insane

[BROseidon]

Idk.

[BROseidon]

Yeah control and dragon priest should both be reasonably decent decks now

[BROseidon]

Here is the Beast Druid list I've been using:



The logics:

Raven, Druid of the Saber, Druid of the Flame, and Mounted Raptor are your early game minions to help control the board. They are all good early Mark of Y'Shaarj targets, and they are all strong, efficient bodies (or in Mounted Raptor's case, a minion that leaves something behind).

Mark of Y'Shaarj is duh. A turn 1 1 or 2 drop (with coin) into a turn 2 Mark is very hard to stop. At later stages of the game, it provides a meaningful buff for cheap with a cantrip attached, since everything except Menagerie Warden is a beast. Oh yeah, and bigger things are good for the Warden, and using Mark on a stealthed minion right after dropping it is also very strong.

Wrath and Swipe are Druid's best options for controlling the board early/mid game. Swipe also gives you a bit of reach to help close out games (although this is a fairly rare use of Swipe in my experience)

Living Roots is a strong, versatile card. The tokens are good to set up a big Savage Roar turn, and the 2 damage can help control the board early in matchups where keeping the tokens around isn't super viable (Mage, Rogue, Druid)

Innervate is just a stupidly good card for the tempo it provides.

Druid of the Claw and STV Tiger are your "big" midgame minions. One of them turn 5 into a turn 6 Menagerie Warden is a huge turn 6 (and STV Tiger has stealth to make it much harder to stop).

Power of the Wild is a nice card b/c it can provide you with a good enough body early on, but it's REALLY good at helping you maintain control of the board/push extra damage with the +1/+1 effect. You'll often find yourself with 3-4 minions on the board, where giving them that +1/+1 puts them out of range of something meaningful (ping, explosive trap, etc), and it's sometimes worth using it with only 2 minions on board to help those minions trade better.

Savage Roar is your finisher. It's also super powerful here because STV Tiger has stealth, Druid of the Claw can have charge, and Druid of the Saber can have either. It can make it very hard to stop a Savage Roar finish without needing taunts, since you can throw to damage out sort of from nowhere (especially with the help of Innervate)

Nourish is there to refill your hand. The deck can have such massive swing turns with Menagerie Warden, Innervate, and Power of the Wild that losing a turn to draw 3 is often not that huge of a deal, and a lot of the time you're taking negative card-advantage early for tempo (Innervate and Power of the Wild are the main offenders here), so Nourish can help compensate for that in the midgame in faster matchups.

[BROseidon]

I don't own Fandral, but he's probably worth testing out given that you have a decent number of cards with choose one effects (Saber, Flame, Claw, Power, Roots, Wrath is more than 1/3 of the deck). That said, I'm not entirely sure what you would cut to include him. My instinct would be Living Roots, just given how often the card's impact is just sort of ~fine~ instead of stellar (unlike Nourish, which is really important to keeping yourself going).

[BROseidon]

Really? I find the Savage Roar to be really helpful in terms of the reach it provides. You let me stick 3 minions on board for a turn? You're dead.

[BROseidon]

And sticking 3 minions is surprisingly easy with Saber+STV+Warden.

[BROseidon]

I forget how the rotation works, and whether TGT and BRM rotate simultaneously or separately. But Aggro Shaman is going to be really hurt when TGT goes and takes Tuskarr Totemic and Totem Golem with it.

Tuskar Totemic wouldn't be too terrible, honestly. The more aggressive looks of the deck can run without it, even, since it's a bit "slow."

Totem Golem is a huge hit, though.

[BROseidon]

Guys.

Hunter with your only minions Barnes+Y'Shaarj.

[BROseidon]

Guys this deck is kind of fun.

[BROseidon]

Yes.

This deck is actually pretty fun. A guy on r/CompetitiveHS hit top 50 with it, so I decided to try it out (although I don't know what his exact list is b/c the link isnt working for me)

[BROseidon]

Basically the way the deck wins if the Barnes/Y'Shaarj combo fails is traps+Eaglehorn bow and/or ball of spiders and/or Call of the Wild

[BROseidon]

yeah 14/15 of stats on Turn 3/4 is absolutely insane.

[BROseidon]

Play Fun and Interactive hunter instead

[BROseidon]

Blizzard made too many RNG cards that have meh downside with amazing upside.

Barnes is probably the worst offender, but even Tuskarr Totemic can just win you the game at best while being fine at worse.

[BROseidon]

Oh..I just played beast druid. I don't see a reason to play something else

Fun and Interactive Hunter is probably my favorite deck right now.

It's so dumb.

[BROseidon]

QQ

Be Better.

[BROseidon]

Kibler's video he posted today is performance art in how absurd Hearthstone has gotten.

Spoiler: For those of you who don't want to watch, here's a Reddit comment that sums up the game

Who would've thunk? Seeing a lethal from Confuse played by Rogue from a Ragnaros from a Majordomo spawned by a Shifter Zerus and killed by a Vanish from a Priest and none of those cards were in anyone's deck.

[BROseidon]

Holy fuck Cabalist's Tome is a terrible card that Blizzard never should have made.

[BROseidon]

Like I've lost to 4 tempo mages in a row despite terribly outplaying them because they keep getting ~perfect solutions~ from Cabalist's

[BROseidon]

Just lost this game because an Undercity Huckster took a Prophet Velen from me, and the Rogue subsequently got like 4 amazing steals.

Blizzard needs to make this game less dumb.

[BROseidon]

Warlock pulls 2 Yseras from Historian, proceeds to only get Dreams to prevent me from SMorcing him to death.

[BROseidon]

Hearthstone's big issue is with cards like huckster that steal a random card. Sometimes it's trash, sometimes it's absolutely bonkers.

Cabalist's tome is also a huge problem card, since it's balanced around you getting bad spells, except nave has very few of those

[BROseidon]

Like hearthstone would be a good game if it didn't have so many of those wonky effects/didn't make them so good

[BROseidon]

Yeah, Blizzard just has issues with balance, and refusing to live-balance things except in extreme cases doesn't help.

[BROseidon]

SECOND TIME SOMEONE'S STOLEN PROPHET VELEN TODAY.

[BROseidon]

Except I'm probably gonna win this game.

[BROseidon]

Yogg isn't even that bad of a random effect.

Yeah, Yogg averages out to "clear the board and draw a bunch of cards."

The worst RNG right now are Barnes, Tuskarr Totemic, and all the steal effects in Rogue.

[BROseidon]

Tuskarr and Barnes are a different issue, though. With them, it's balance (too big of an upside for having no downside)

[BROseidon]

I think Cabalist Tome is an extremely balanced card, that fixes an issue with the game (control vs control coming down to fatigue)

No, Cabalist's tome is insanely strong because it's impossible to play around. When they use it, I don't know what cards they got, and that vastly changes how I play. It's much stronger than "draw 3"

[BROseidon]

Uh, every Druid list right now runs Nourish?

Also, it might not be so broken if Mage couldn't get so far ahead in tempo by turn 5-7 that "losing tempo" to play Cabalist's Tome gives your opponent time to almost catch up.

[BROseidon]

Tempo mage on a perfect or near-perfect draw out-tempos any of those (short of a Shaman going like Tunnel Trogg->Totem Golem->Coin+Tuskar into Totem Golem->Flamewreathed). I've played a lot of Face Shaman, and Tempo-Mage out-tempos me like 1/2 the time.

And you're basically saying "I don't want control to exist."

[BROseidon]

Nourished is also used the vast majority of the time for card draw, since Druid takes card-disadvantage to gain tempo advantage at the start of the game.

[BROseidon]

Lastly, the issue with Cabalist's Tome isn't that it's 5 mana for 3 cards, it's that you have no idea what those cards are, which makes it impossible to play around it effectively.

[BROseidon]

Lastly, the issue with Cabalist's Tome isn't that it's 5 mana for 3 cards, it's that you have no idea what those cards are, which makes it impossible to play around it effectively.

This is why Tome is so overpowered. When a Druid plays Nourish, I can reasonably expect to play around the same cards he might have had before he played Nourish. When a Mage plays Cabalist'a Tome and then a secret created by Cabalist's Tome, I have to play around every Mage secret at once and hope I don't make the wrong/unlucky play.

Yes. This is why the card is bs. The variance is far too high, and it negates player knowledge as a meaningful skill

[BROseidon]

Also tempo Mage can consistently win by turn 6 if it isn't met with a strong early game.

That's aggro

[BROseidon]

Tbh, I would be completely fine with Hearthstone right now if Tuskarr Totemic, Cabalist's Tome, and Yogg stopped being things.

Like even Barnes is at least interesting because it encourages unique deck design, even if it's broken as fuck.

[BROseidon]

The issue with combo in hearthstone is that you being unable to do things on your opponents turn ruins counter play for otk.

But hey, miracle still exists

[BROseidon]

As does "fun and interactive" hunter

[BROseidon]

I like the Rockbiter nerf, since it brings the card into line with the other "2 mana for 3 damage" cards that other classes have. Druids have Wrath at 2 mana, Warriors have Bash, Hunters have Quick Shot. All have upside, and Rockbiter's upside gets to be "Synergy with Windfury". Plus, they already have Lightning Bolt to cover the niche as well.

All those other 2 mana for 3 damage cards do something else though. Look at what Frostbolt does. Synergy with Windfury is an awful niche when the downside is having to smash your face into minions. Isn't it just generically worse then all those other cards?

Also lets minions trade up.

Good with squire and wolves.

[BROseidon]

Shhhhhhhhh

[BROseidon]

There's like 2 taunt minions that can't be targeted by spells or abilities!

[BROseidon]

Arena is, uh.

Bizarre.

[BROseidon]

Yeah, uh.

Tuskarr Totemic should have never made it to the game. The card was obviously terrible design.

The new version is fine, if not slightly underpowered.

[BROseidon]

The problem is that the delta of randomness on it was stupidly high.

Although tbf, that's true of a lot of HS cards.

[BROseidon]

Blizzard wants to make t3h moniez

[BROseidon]

I mean, yes

I was clearly making fun of Blizzard's business team

[BROseidon]

Gotta, like, make that money.

Or something.

[BROseidon]

Yeah ramp Druid is really strong right now

[BROseidon]

I've had 2 12-win arena runs in a row.

Granted, with Rogue and Mage, but still. I'm getting good at this?

[BROseidon]

BGH too slow against aggro. It tempos the 8/8 hard but is otherwise super dead

[BROseidon]

Officially no