Open 654 | Surrealism - Game over

[Dunnstral]

Let's lynch btd6 or gamma

[Aristophanes]

Might be down for Gamma

[BlackStar]

I'm down with it too

VOTE: gamma

[Zachstralkita]

not really bout that gamma lynch tbh

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[Aristophanes]

Oh yeah, the last time I read the thread I decided to be a sarcastic jerk... this should be fun
I also remember thinking I was blatantly obvtown before I disappeared. That might just be me though..

To start, 191sucks ass. This is a possible scum post by Mimik.

And speaking of early strong scumreads:

VOTE: Skold

Okay, so this is scum. I legit scumread every post they've made thus far. Something is just wrong here and it is the colour of their role PM.

Join me!

You haven't really talked at all about this read since you gave it on page 2. Can you go into more detail and also say how this read has progressed since then?

I'll see how this progresses and address it after the catchup should it hold true. I have a feeling it will.

216 to 224 are also just a weird interaction. What's with people and weird interactions this game!?
Gamma getting mad about Zack/Black stuff also knocks him down a peg (down is scummier, up is townier).

237 is disgusting and more scumpoints to Gamma.

251 to 256 are another set of useless posts where people suck and don't really discuss the game while simultaneously pissing each other off at the drop of a hat. I really didn't miss much while I was gone, did I.
I should clarify that I don't think Zack is unnecessarily abrasive overall and this isn't meant as commentary on him specifically.

What I want everyone to answer is:
Do you find MeowMix's asking about my opinion on voting me alignment indicative?

Meh, not really. I like that he did it though, and I don't think he was necessarily offbase, even if I don't see how he could have gotten there naturally. Though your persistence on pushing this question is interesting. What did you get out of the answers, and what were you trying for if you didn't?

Great now someone else is being passive aggressive. To be fair, MeowMix did add to that read.

There we go! Finally someone sums up the game properly!

By the way, for GE's 5th question, my most hated tactic is strongarming. In strongarming you tunnel someone while refusing to answer any questions or give reasons (and taking requests for reasons to be obvscum). RadiantCowbells did it to me on Day 2 of Newbie 1700.

a) That's called a DeathTunnel. Strongarming a lynch just means that you push it through. The two do work well together though.
The real reason I quoted this is because I'd forgotten about the RQS section until you did this, and I don't see why such obvious filler is required.

This is pages 8-13. I'm really slow sometimes.

[Ümläüt]

Zach, do you have any insight into Dunn's alignment? I feel like you probably have the most experience with him of anyone here but you haven't really offered a read there.

You pointed out that no one will call him out on his behavior (namely death-tunneling you every game) but have you noticed any difference in how he does this in town vs. scum games, and if so what does this occasion look like to you?

[Gamma Emerald]

Great now someone else is being passive aggressive. To be fair, MeowMix did add to that read.

There we go! Finally someone sums up the game properly!

And it continues with Zach.

[Zachstralkita]

Zach, do you have any insight into Dunn's alignment? I feel like you probably have the most experience with him of anyone here but you haven't really offered a read there.

You pointed out that no one will call him out on his behavior (namely death-tunneling you every game) but have you noticed any difference in how he does this in town vs. scum games, and if so what does this occasion look like to you?

I can't exactly say I have experience with scum Dunn right

at this moment

.

But it's hard to differentiate between the two.

I've noticed that people just write him off as town, though, as opposed to trying to read that. At least it comes off as such. Which is what irritates me. Is it that lovable avi?

My insight is that when I actually replied to his shit a few pages ago head-on, he stops replying to me and has made no further mention of me in way he was before. Yes, I took note of that.

He's going to come in here in a little doubtcasting me and making what I said seem somehow not relevant. I'm sure of it.

[Ümläüt]

I've noticed that people just write him off as town, though, as opposed to trying to read that. At least it comes off as such. Which is what irritates me. Is it that lovable avi?

I don't know if this is true. He got lynched D1 in our last game together, though as I said earlier that was a fairly unusual setup; and he seems to be getting some heat in this game as well.

But it sounds like you're scumreading him then?

[Zachstralkita]

My last posts directed at him were trying to engage him. For most of the game I've been trying to ignore him so we wouldn't do a 50 page back and forth like every fucking game that we're in. So when I do try to engage him and I get crickets, am I fucking meant to be happy? No.

Am I scumreading him? With the way Dunn works, it's hard to get a solid read on him early on and lean this way or that way. Dunn can get away with doing a lot of the same shit as either alignment so I'd really not make a judgement call at this point. As I've stated before, Dunn's reads are notoriously shit so I can't call him scum for campaigning for awful lynches. It's one of his charms.

My main gripe was that no one really addressed how he was tunneling me like they didn't see it or didn't want to? And most of these people have never played with me, can't really say for Dunn, but I'm thinking not, so the whole meta thing can't really be applied? So I was confused.

[Zachstralkita]

My last posts directed at him were trying to engage him. For most of the game I've been trying to ignore him so we wouldn't do a 50 page back and forth like every fucking game that we're in. So when I do try to engage him and I get crickets, am I fucking meant to be happy? No.

Like, he says " Town Zach would be more confrontational with me pushing him!" and when I

confront him

he has nothing to say? What type of shit is that? If you were trying to get a reaction out of me, congratulations, you win.

[Dunnstral]

He got lynched D1 in our last game together, though as I said earlier that was a fairly unusual setup

It was also a blitz

And town lost because they lynched me day 1, instead of what I was pushing (to lynch the innocent child, which would have won town the game instantly (both mafia were on the same line)

[Dunnstral]

@Zach so I'm tunneling you, but also ignoring you? Pick one bud, otherwise it's just..... normal interaction

[Dunnstral]

I've noticed that people just write him off as town, though, as opposed to trying to read that. At least it comes off as such. Which is what irritates me. Is it that lovable avi?

It's my lovable personality

My insight is that when I actually replied to his shit a few pages ago head-on, he stops replying to me and has made no further mention of me in way he was before. Yes, I took note of that.

What did you reply to that warranted a reply from me...?

He's going to come in here in a little doubtcasting me

No need

[Dunnstral]

Dunn's reads are notoriously shit

Except, they're not.

I gaurantee you there's at least 1 scum in btd6 and gamma

[Zachstralkita]

@Zach so I'm tunneling you, but also ignoring you? Pick one bud, otherwise it's just..... normal interaction

don't play dumb and act like you didnt see 480 and 481 and then proceed to not address them, intentional or not

and then act like im making something up when I literally refer to it just now

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: BTD_6

[Dunnstral]

What is the basis for your read on me. You're not accomplishing anything except being vague. And doubtcasting meowmix, and taking no real stance on mostly everything else save for Umlaut.

For me it has a good bit to do with gut. Usually when people have your kind of abrasive style, I've seen certain things accompany it as each alignment. As town, it's likely due to being overconfident, but I don't actually feel that controlling confidence from you. It feels abrasive to no real end.

This is me being civil.

Anyways, ~~

VOTE: Mimikyu

I was thinking about doing this when I read 247, 259, 266 (toss in everything you've said about meowmix)



but then I see that scumpool and oh. oh boy.

Is this your vote right now?

I like how I get called out for tunneling but your vote is parked for 300 posts while you talk about other stuff and try to stop every other lynch from forming while edging mine on from the shadows

I went back and looked at 480 and 481, why didn't you vote btd_6 following that?

[Zachstralkita]

What is the basis for your read on me. You're not accomplishing anything except being vague. And doubtcasting meowmix, and taking no real stance on mostly everything else save for Umlaut.

For me it has a good bit to do with gut. Usually when people have your kind of abrasive style, I've seen certain things accompany it as each alignment. As town, it's likely due to being overconfident, but I don't actually feel that controlling confidence from you. It feels abrasive to no real end.

This is me being civil.

Anyways, ~~

VOTE: Mimikyu

I was thinking about doing this when I read 247, 259, 266 (toss in everything you've said about meowmix)



but then I see that scumpool and oh. oh boy.

Is this your vote right now?

I like how I get called out for tunneling but your vote is parked for 300 posts while you talk about other stuff and try to stop every other lynch from forming while edging mine on from the shadows

I went back and looked at 480 and 481, why didn't you vote btd_6 following that?

my votes parked cause mimikyu is still scum obviously. he was scum. and he is scum still. is something difficult to grasp about that? because pages go by a motherfuckers alignment just changes and I should vote someone else? you know how bad that sounds?

How in the fuck am I edging your lynch on from the shadows? Oh, every time you do some goofy shit and I call you out on it I somehow have to be trying to kill you? Is that how it works?

that ill probably bet on it higher than BTD6 and definitely higher than gamma

btd6 has a few awful posts but what's disconcerting is that people are calling him out like "oh yeah pal, you had better start producing some content and FAST because that real life excuse is not gonna save u !!!11 !" like it isnt fucking day one right now. that is the definition of trying to appear as if you are acting in protown interest if im being honest. I have not put the spotlight on this at all I have simply noted it here.

I too am waiting on said content from BTD, BUT as either alignment BTD fucks himself more if his unwillingness to produce content is DELIBERATE. so it does not concern me too much. that problem will resolve ITSELF.


if i thought BTD was more likely scum than Mimikyu then I would be fucking voting BTD right now, would I not

That's not to say that he can't be scum, I'd just much rather let Mimikyu feel the rope's warm embrace

[Zachstralkita]

mimikyu is scum

that ill probably bet on it higher than BTD6 and definitely higher than gamma

this is supposed to be in there

[Dunnstral]

Why do you believe that mimikyu is scum again?

I'm sure you've given reasons, just a rehash would be nice

[Mimikyu]

Great now someone else is being passive aggressive. To be fair, MeowMix did add to that read.

Great job guys. I tried to be active in the discussion, and this is what happens. I guess I'll just copy my EpicMafia habits and lurk all the time. Thanks for teaching me this valuable lesson.

These two posts are an interesting combination.

Don't really care for Ari's catch-up post. While I don't generally put much into meta, his play altogether feels quite a bit different than the games I've played with him where he was town. This is more just to explain I've got a bit of a gut scumread on him based on that. And somehow we are almost 10 days in and he still hasn't placed an RVS vote.

That's it for now. Sorry I still don't have much time to devote to this right now.

[Something_Smart]

I really want to call Zach town and Dunn scum but I don't think it's that simple

is my head just entirely up my butt? because I also feel like BTD6 and Gamma would both be lynchbait as town, and I feel like most of what they're saying could come from either alignment. And I feel like all the players I feel do deserve pressure (more so than Gamma and BTD, who I feel will be easier to sort when not under pressure) have just slipped into the background.

[Gamma Emerald]

How have I slipped into the background? Feels more like I slipped into the forefront tbh.

[Something_Smart]

That's what I was saying; you and BTD have been pushed into the forefront, which I feel makes you harder to read.
Whereas Ari, Umlaut and MeowMix, the players I do believe ought to be pressured, have slipped into the background.