Open 654 | Surrealism - Game over

[Aubrey]

1. Context is important, and you've specifically omitted it to attack me

My goal was to illustrate how early your attack on Zach began and has lasted. I also fail to see the context here?

3. Why are you trying to focus on me and Zach again? Do you have a compelling reason to be hard defending BTD6 and Gamma? Even if you say you're not, you absolutely without a doubt are. Saying you think I'm scum isn't a reason. It's multiball.

I opened up dialog with you, and wasn't happy with your answers, so I continued to push. If you would have just addressed my concerns then we could have probably evaded this long drawn out show.

I'm brushing you off because you're making stuff up, and your tunnel on me is worse than the one you've accused me of

I admitted my mistakes, and even in my post said I could be wrong. That hardly means I'm making stuff up. I've gone through your posts and showed where I had concerns with your play style. I seriously doubt my "tunnel" on you is worse than your little obsession with Zach. It's really only recent that I've been going after you this hard. Again, would have been nice if you would have just addressed me originally instead of playing this little cat and mouse game.

I couldn't care less if either of them were lynched really. I still find it odd that you are trying to tie me to them. I've also gone against the both of them as well, so I don't see why your trying to paint me as "hard defending" them. If BTD is eliminated, I don't have to worry about the possibility of a lurking player in the future. If Gamma is eliminated then it saves me the roller coaster ride of figuring out his alignment.

Making a big list doesn't make you right.

Not my goal nor intention. You said to go back and re-read, so I did and addressed where your posts lined up with the concerns and questions I presented against you. Do you seriously think I sat up all night going through your posts making crap up just to create filler?

125, so what if it's meta? Seriously: so what?

I've already covered my views on meta. If everyone else is fine with it, then thats them.

467: It's his tone. He's usually defensive in general but he seems different this time. Again, not much to work with but I pretty strongly believe he's scum (Hint: moreso than I'd think Zach scum, for sure, even though I've talkd about Zach more. Zach is hard to read)

Well at least this is something more than, "

His meta is off

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474: Don't understand the first part, Second part not sure how it's flimsy or what than entails but ok. Reads like an attack o my character rather than alignment information

??? If you think it was an attack on your character I'll be the first to apologize. That however was not my intention here. I covered my views on this interaction later in the game when I mentioned and reviewed Gamma's first original viewpoint post. I said flimsy because it read as a quick save to cover up the fact that you seemed to have forgotten that it is multi ball. Refer to my post 548 where I go further in depth on my thoughts regarding this point. I'm basically saying it could be easier for scum to not view the game as multi ball in a sense. Not an attack on your character.

478/479: I don't care what you regard the possibility as: Looks pretty clear and viable to me, not sure what makes it unlikely There's nothing for me to respond to, because quite frankly I don't care what you "imagine" scum to be doing

Ouch. Funny though that you still stand by this even though you now have Zach in a town-null position. Whatever. I simply stated that I didn't see scum hard defending town in such a way. I don't see the exact benefit in doing so. I know I wouldn't do that as scum. It limits your options, and I don't think they need much to make gamma look even worse than he does/did. Then again, you don't care so why bother going any further into the issue.

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Overall, I'm still hesitant to change my worried views about you. It seems the people who have shown up today don't view you in the same light as I do. Maybe I'm right. Maybe I'm misguided. Maybe it all comes from two players with very different styles of approaching things. I do think that pushing an issue that the majority doesn't agree with is pointless though. If the majority seems unconcerned by your plays, then I'll move onto other things.

[Creature]

Searching Skold and MeowMix replacements.

Votecount 1.10

[2] BTD6_Maker - MeowMix, Dunnstral
[1] Mimikyu - Zachstralkita
[0] Something_Smart
[1] MeowMix - Something_Smart
[0] Aubrey
[3] Gamma Emerald - Ümläüt, BTD6_Maker, BlackStar
[1] Skold - Aristophanes
[0] BlackStar
[0] Zachstralkita
[3] Dunnstral - The_Jester, Aubrey, Gamma Emerald
[1] The_Jester - Skold
[1] Ümläüt - Mimikyu
[0] Aristophanes

[0] Nolynch

Not voting:

There are 13 players alive, 7 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-09-25 14:45:00)

[BTD6_maker]

I have read through Aristophanes' early game ISO and really struggle to see how he is obvTown.I am not that sure whether calling himself obvTown is scummy or not. If anything, it's slight Town. Gamma Emerald's post says that saying this is a huge scumtell. I don't see the logic behind this. Personally, I find Gamma's response fairly scummy.

Sorry. I have been busier and have very litte time to analyse the game so I have just been skimming. The work should clear up soon though, hopefully by the start of Day 2.

[Gamma Emerald]

I find it scummy that someone would say that. It's called LAMIST.

[Creature]

Freezing the deadline until the replacements are found.

3 days and 21 hours.

[Something_Smart]

Gamma have you ever seen LAMIST actually catch scum?

[Dunnstral]

Every time BTD6 posts I want to lynch him more

Like you guys see his post, right?

[Something_Smart]

uhh actually BTD6 summed up my exact thoughts regarding the matter.

[Something_Smart]

oh also UNVOTE:

[BTD6_maker]

I'm not so sure. When I have been really frustrated in the past as Town (such as during RadiantCowbells' death tunnel in Newbie 1700) I have occasionally used LAMIST. What's the site meta regarding it?

[Dunnstral]

Like take note of what they're focusing on here

Of all things he focuses on aristophanes, says he's not obvious town. His logic for finding Gamma scum... doesn't seem to make sense?

uhh actually BTD6 summed up my exact thoughts regarding the matter.

[Something_Smart]

why are you facepalming me?

I don't know if it makes him scum but Gamma's response was horrible and I do see where that read comes from.

[Dunnstral]

I said flimsy because it read as a quick save to cover up the fact that you seemed to have forgotten that it is multi ball.

Why do I "cover up the fact that I seemed to have forgotten this is multiball" as scum?

If anything I'd push it as some sort of town slip - certainly doesn't make me more likely to be scum unless you think I was faking it

[Dunnstral]

Gamma's response was horrible and I do see where that read comes from.

Sure

I can agree that Gamma is scummy

I'd even vote for him

But I also think that BTD6 is scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

Forgetting it was multiball is pretty much NAI.

[Dunnstral]

Forgetting it was multiball is pretty much NAI.

Note that I never pushed it otherwise when it happened, but nice to see you taking potshots at me

I seriously doubt my "tunnel" on you is worse than your little obsession with Zach.

When was the last time O talked about Zach, other than replying to you

[Dunnstral]

Also you didn't respond to your own criticisms and instead tried to switch conversation off of you

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

So ready to lynch here

[Gamma Emerald]

I wasn't saying I found it scummy, maybe you think I was because you're scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

I find it scummy that someone would say that. It's called LAMIST.

I di drespond, Dunnstral.

[Something_Smart]

Gamma have you ever seen LAMIST actually catch scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

No, but it's a point to consider.

[Dunnstral]

If Gamma is eliminated then it saves me the roller coaster ride of figuring out his alignment.

Not sure how you can say Gamma is harder to figure the alignment of than me, unless you're already on this wild ride

@S_S What does that even mean "LAMIST catch scum"

[Something_Smart]

How is it a point to consider? What makes you think it's even scummy?

Pedit @Dunn: Gamma was treating LAMIST as a scumtell; I was wondering if Gamma had ever played in a game where a scum had used LAMIST and had gotten lynched because of it.

[Dunnstral]

Overall, I'm still hesitant to change my worried views about you. It seems the people who have shown up today don't view you in the same light as I do. Maybe I'm right. Maybe I'm misguided. Maybe it all comes from two players with very different styles of approaching things. I do think that pushing an issue that the majority doesn't agree with is pointless though. If the majority seems unconcerned by your plays, then I'll move onto other things.

This is mildly scummy, by the way, especially since it's right when I actually fought back against your ill push and you're seemingly over-explaining a vote switch without moving yet, and leaving yourself open to rejoin

[Gamma Emerald]

I think LAMIST is scummy because instead of actually presenting evidence for real, they're like "oh it's all there".
A decent question to follow up is: has anyone seen town use LAMIST?