Micro 647: True Love - Game Over

[Wisdom]

hai

VOTE: creature

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what are your opinions about claiming lovers?

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Claiming lovers should be only done at L-1 imo. Otherwise it lets scum know which pairs they can kill. I don't see a reason for town to claim lovers prematurely.

Scum cannot kill in this setup.

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oh, Gamma is right. The mod messed up, pairs are not supposed to be public

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they are under "Living pairs"

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probably
infinity/creature pair is by far the best to lynch so far

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because

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he's 16 years old btw

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Gamma, discussing about the setup is not RQS

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and to answer, I'll lynch us in a heartbeat if I think you're scum

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exactly, also Mini 1808 where my lover was in fact scum

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that if anyone is scum its you

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dunno

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So what's the point of the Lover PT? If we shouldn't do RVS, when should voting start? Atm, I have Gamma + SS for scum. Gamma is unproductive. SS is unnecessarily defensive.

VOTE: tenshi
Neither point is original

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I dont really like leon that much either

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didnt i just say why i voted tenshi

I dont have a read on Gamma

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because you dont know what to say and you sheep what others say

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gamma wagon is bullshit

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i dont answer useless questions

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from opportunistic scum looking to get an easy lynch on a 16 year old? Sure

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Like, there are at least 4 people scummier than Gama right now

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those are all bad points
and your vote doesnt make sense, gamma is my lover

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VOTE: Wisdom

Can't back up his vote on me, Intentionally not answering questions, Has "at least 4 people scummier than Gama" but doesn't out them and why.

P-Edit: Wow lol I got sniped. Although I agree with Infinity's points.

yeah this is scum

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Either tenshi + creature or tenshi + Leon

izi game

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sorry they're bad

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and yes, scum "townread" their lover in this setup

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i dont respond to bullshit

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Creature + Leon are townier than a Gamma, a slot that has done nothing. Wisdom is just throwing out names out of his ass.

because doing things is town
scum cant do things

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you are arguing that just because gamma hasnt done things people who have done things are townier than him
that's silly, as scum do things too

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if anything, scum do more things because they want to be townread

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what does "1v1" mean in your mind? because we're already voting each other

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oh that? sure, if tenshi goes first
We're not lynching my pair today though

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no it isnt
There are plenty of people who do nothing as town

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then maybe but i doubt that will happen

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like
tenshi is scummy as hell
creature is doing nothing which is scum indicative for him
leon looks scummy

and there's only room for 2 scum

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anti-town does not mean scum
doing scummy things is scummier than not doing anything

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i have

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and antitown is not scummy at all, it's just a playstyle matter

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lazy

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maybe
its not a strong scumread yet

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a simple plan

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why is that strange

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thats kind of a shallow way to look at it
scumread doesnt mean lynch

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i didnt say im willing to lynch anyone other than tenshi but okay

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thats wishful thinking
im pretty good as scum

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infinity, gamma and smart are town

tenshi is scum

pick a buddy from the other three

pedit: they're all in my wiki

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oh wait, a simple plan is lovers with tenshi
so not him

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i like gamma pushing me
i like your posts

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infinity what do you think is my scum motivation exactly

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Trying to look like lazy town while being lazy scum

Pushing a player cause that's what town is supposed to you

Is that what you're looking for?

how do you tell im lazy scum and not actual lazy town
how do you tell im not actually pushing a player because i find them scummy

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what was scummy about it?

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honestly? i didnt think about that till now that you mentioned it

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yeah, that's another good reason to solidify a townread on gamma

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as for the null read thing, it was probably wrong of me to say i dont have a read on him
my mind was actually thinking poe town due to everyone else other than smart being scummy

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im actually not scummy at all but ill take it

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creature why is Tenshi town?

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scum actually make use of the PT to buddy their town lover
sounds like he's succeeding if hes scum

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based on a sample of how many games?

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i dont hate meta reads but you cant meta off two games

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lots
people change their playstyle from game to game, you have to understand how they're thinking to be able to meta them

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like, why do you think you're seeing town-tenshi here? what is he doing that you think he wouldn't do as scum?

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creature does look town tbh
but im starting to doubt infinity again because 227 sounded like an excuse to townread him
and you know scum will be looking for those

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eh 234 could come from either

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tenshii apparently doesnt even have completed scumgames so meta officially goes off the window

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wat

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yeah im feeling infinity is the scum in their pair now

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Leon, read on Tenshi?

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so can we have some votes on tenshi

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Tenshii scum

so is that vote coming, or..?

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3 votes arent a lynch
why hesitate

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how is 3 votes rushing?

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and?

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Tenshi is still obvscum

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Wisdom scumread ASP for the same reason I scumread Gamma.

No, I didn't. I nowhere scumread ASP. I mentioned him as one of the four people I considered scummier than Gamma. That's completely different than your outright scumread on Gamma.

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If there's even a reason behind Wisdom's scumread in the first place, I doubt it though. Again, he's just throwing out reads/names at his convenience. The only excuse he has for not outting reasons is "laziness." A convenient excuse to avoid having to give out actual reasons.

"blah blah I dont like his playstyle Ill try to use it against him"

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Wisdom then later realizes the impossibility of two scum being together, so he just conveniently abandons said scumread and then townreads ASP. This shows how baseless his ASP read was in the first place.

Once again I nowhere said I townread ASP, so you're once again misrepping in order to build fake points.

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This is Wisdom not catching it because scum!Wisdom knows I'm town. And this is also Wisdom not considering the possibility of scum!Tenshii bussing scum!Gamma because scum!Wisdom wants his lover!Gamma to be townread.

your opportunistic push on Gamma looked nothing like a bus so yeah

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he couldn't back it up

lol

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Not liking Tenshii's ignorance of things plainly stated. Him saying I could be scum would be good for him, but the way Tenshii presented it makes me unable to give him Town points for it.

then vote him
caught scum is caught

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uh, yes? how is that even a question

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mhm

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zzz
still no new votes on tenshi

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Wisdom is being scummy.

Sure, town can look scummy.

based on those two you should be considering I could be town which you arent

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yeah i thought he was saying A too

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And then I realistically could see Wisdom as potential partner due to early softbussing among other things.

explain this further please

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are you kidding me

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you think scum cant fake "im considering selfhammering"? Its not like he did it
If anything he then cancelled his " scumread" on ASP by calling it a coinflip

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So basically in the same post he calls ASP scummy to the point where selfhammer is an option
Yet also a coinflip to dissuade others from wanting to lynch him
Cant you see the survivalism here?

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Well this comes off a bit forced, but I really don't like how many people are willing to lynch this pair given the lack of case on them. This would also indicate ASP is town.

what

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So all the points ive posted about tenshi are inexistent?

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If tenshi and ASP somehow end up being both town infinity is definitely scum for this halfassed WKing

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so because youre bad and you cant see obvscum its weird that everyone else does
Right

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If tenshi and ASP somehow end up being both town infinity is definitely scum for this halfassed WKing

Ask s_s, he's seen me WK before.

lol selfmeta
The fact you feel the need to defend yourself means i was right on

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the best case against tenshi is tenshis posts

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So you think everyone who scumreads tenshii is town? Who is his partner then?

no and either Leon or you
though Im kind of thinking it's leon and you now given your WKing

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actually
VOTE: infinity

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If you thought it was leon and tenshii, why argue with me when I said there's scum on the wagon?

because your point is that it makes tenshi town

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I still don't understand why you scumread me for pointing out the fact that people are ready to lynch essentially without a case

because it's a piss poor defense
cases are bullshit

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yeah, you are
your deflections are bad

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because you're trying to appease me now
thats not disagreement
you arent even considering i could be scum

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of course

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hey infinity
you think tenshi&ASP are both town
you think I am town

so are you scumreading Gamma then? Because otherwise you're claiming scum

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Wisdom what about SS and Leon?

they're paired so only one of them can be scum

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I'm feeling town!creature here. Mainly cause he's talking to me more in private than in public, scum would just keep their private thoughts secret.

according to this you're not scumreading creature either

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infinity and leon

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I ask a dumb question, Wisdom indulges it with a simple restatement of a previously know fact.

wait what?

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good, vote infinity

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haha suddenly ASP can be scum, huh? out of options

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infinity/leo it is

please lynch infinity already

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i fail to realize how pages are relevant
ive caught scum on page 1 before

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lol

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panic some more infinity i love it

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^basically translates to "plz dont scumread me im just thinking differently"

manipulative as fuck

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actually he said it before you voted him

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yeah now that you're caught you're trying to insult my thinking

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neh
tenshi/ASP are prolly both town given the wking

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If there's no one that makes sense as my partner, it doesn't make sense for me to be scum.

so you cant lynch scum based on individual actions?
you have to figure out the whole scumteam first?

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because scum WK town lynches for towncred

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sure..? how is that relevant? gamma didnt say there are strong negative associations between you and anyone at all

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you ask me things that answered in the thread so yeah

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that are*

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why are you sheeping scum

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s_s is like the towniest after gamma

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leon is most likely the buddy but we're not lynching a possible buddy over obvscum

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i think any talk about how scumbuddies would act is null after the Tenshi voting Gamma/me point was brought up

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i think any talk about how scumbuddies would act is null after the Tenshi voting Gamma/me point was brought up

Which point?

You forgot already? The point I didnt realize until you brought it up, that Tenshi voting me/Gamma made Gamma likely town

After that was mentioned I could see scum voting their buddy's pair on purpose so clearing scumpairs based on that is bad

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A lot happened all of a sudden. My weak vote on Tenshii is outdated now, I don't see him as likely scum.

UNVOTE: Tenshii

What changed?

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creature vote infinity please

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tenshi and leon
but he wont flip town, his posts are oozing scum

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Imo that point is pretty obvious, so bringing me it up changed nothing. It's just like bussing in a normal game.

that's really bullshit

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as is your "case" on s_s

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Tenshii went to L-1 and I haven't seen anything overtly scummy from him.

Then why did you vote him?

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that means you now have strong scumreads, yet I don't see them
nor do I see you expressing doubt me/Gamma is a town pair

pedit: @Leon

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Imo that point is pretty obvious, so bringing me it up changed nothing. It's just like bussing in a normal game.

that's really bullshit

It's bullshit that scum voting in this game is the same as bussing in other games?

Do you realize how confbiased you are right now

good, i like confbiasing on scum

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cool
s_s hammer pls

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mhm

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i mean leo's post is awful and pretty obvious bussing

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lets see if leon will keep saying that tomorrow

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good!

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nah, hammer away

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nope

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^needs hammering

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that post didnt contain a hammer

fix

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do it ffs

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why are you being useless again?

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wtf is there to wait for? are you hoping the wagon on infinity will disappear or what?

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you were voting him already

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no, he'll stall

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who cares

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infinity will flip scum
we're lynching your pair next
if the game isnt over we lynch tenshi
no reason to hear anything from lurkers

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no if infinity doesnt flip scum we do the exact same thing

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with tenshi first, actually

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but he will so yeah

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never because we're both town

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except in the case where Infinity/Creature is town/town and ASP/Tenshii is town/scum (I don't want to autolynch our pair there).

thats why i said tenshi first if infinity is town

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lol
..how

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oh well ill take it

VOTE: leon

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If one of Inf/Creature flips scum, I'll be tomorrow's lynch. You can hold me to that.

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VOTE: tenshi

i actually prefer this
with infinity being town it just means i was right about tenshi

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(inb4 its ASP who's actually scum)

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ahaha

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well i'm glad i scumread infinity or creature would have won

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^same