Micro 647: True Love - Game Over

[Gamma Emerald]

What indeed.

[Something_Smart]

yay for overnight thread explosions!

I dont really like leon that much either

I feel like Leon is fairly awkward as either alignment (based on my extremely limited experience with him) but I liked that he came in and immediately started pressuring me.

Nevertheless, I will ask you what your definition of defensive is, and where you thought I was doing it.

Your 68 and posts after is the definition of defensive.

Way to sidestep the question.

I'd still like an answer btw.

gamma wagon is bullshit

this read progression does look a little weird, I have to admit. Right now I do like Wisdom for town but I'm uber paranoid, and I do understand why scum have to defend their lovers.

If you wanna generalize it like that sure, I agree that scum do things too. But it's scummy to not do things. Therefore doing things is townier than not doing things.

This is a rare specimen of something known as non-logic. (just kidding it's not rare at all ) "Scummy" is not defined by anti-town, nor by things you don't like. It's defined by what scum do and town don't. So it town and scum both do it... it's not scummy.

You would be willing to lynch in every other pair. I'm sorry but this seems incredibly scummy.
VOTE: Wisdom

Uhhh Gamma I think you're missing a step here. If you two are both town, lynching every other pair will win the game for town. So your logic only holds if you don't like/understand his reasons for townreading you. Do you?

infinity, gamma and smart are town

Actually, I thought of something that might be a tell. "If I am town, the first person to townread me early on in day 1 is scum." I can actually think of several times where this is true I should go check it out.

Wisdom's play here isn't similar to his last few scum games, he seems to care more about appearing town in his recent scum games than in this game. (I read Micro 581, Mini 1637 and one other Pokemon game).

This may be true but I'm sure Wisdom is capable of manipulating his meta.

You called a wagon on your nullread bullshit, making an excuse for him by saying he was 16, then conventiently gave a reason to townread him after.

I would've expected town!you to talk about how scum!tenshii makes gamma town

I like this post a lot.

honestly? i didnt think about that till now that you mentioned it

Ok enough of this shit, you're too scummy to be scum

I mean scum would never be this sloppy, if you're trying to find reasons to townread gamma you don't missy hat one.

It's not impossible for that to come from scum but unlikely.

UNVOTE:

But this one is weird :/

I am at:
Something_Smart and Leonshade

Gamma Emerald

and

Wisdom

A Simple Plan and

Tenshii

Creature

and

Infinity 324

I got ninja'd by Wisdom wrt this one.

scum actually make use of the PT to buddy their town lover
sounds like he's succeeding if hes scum

I don't know Creature that well, but this doesn't strike me as a scum!Creature move.

tenshii apparently doesnt even have completed scumgames so meta officially goes off the wisdom

lol

[Wisdom]

yeah im feeling infinity is the scum in their pair now

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel that his reasons for townreading me before that post were okay, the problem was he was hard defending me way too much.

[Wisdom]

Leon, read on Tenshi?

[Leonshade]

His reasons for scumreading Gamma were bad, but the way he elaborated/explained his views makes me think he really believes that fluff/unproductivity is scummy, so I don't think he was just looking for an easy target to push. I don't hate his push on you, either. Nothing town, though, and I'm leaning on Tenshii/ASP having one scum in it through POE.

Reading Gamma/Wisdom as a Town pair. I'm not seeing what Wisdom and someone else read as towny from Creature. Not sure on S_S, but I don't think his defensiveness was scummy.

[Infinity 324]

Lol s_s, the post you liked was me trying to continue to bs the push on wisdom with what little reasoning I had left

The reason for townreading creature was a gut read that I may not have explained perfectly, but that's what it is.

s_s, do you have any reads now other than wisdom?

[Creature]

Oh nice, we'll have to wait 19 hours so ASP can post something.

[Something_Smart]

s_s, do you have any reads now other than wisdom?

Creature town, Gamma town, Tenshii scum, and you as town or scum (but definitely not null).

[Wisdom]

so can we have some votes on tenshi

[Leonshade]

Sure.

VOTE: Tenshii

[Leonshade]

s_s, do you have any reads now other than wisdom?

Creature town, Gamma town, Tenshii scum, and you as

town or scum (but definitely not null)

.

What's the difference?

I'd like you to explain the Creature town read, too.

[Something_Smart]

Lol it's a joke because I have such trouble reading Infinity (the last time I was town against him I kept going back and forth between townreading and scumreading him and I'm doing it again here )

Creature's kind of a weak read, he just seems to be trying things and making an effort to solve the game, plus I trust Infinity's read regarding the PT.

[Wisdom]

Tenshii scum

so is that vote coming, or..?

[Something_Smart]

relax it's only been two days

I want some content from ASP first.

[Wisdom]

3 votes arent a lynch
why hesitate

[Infinity 324]

Why is tenshii scum, s_s

[Something_Smart]

3 votes arent a lynch
why hesitate

why rush?

Why is tenshii scum, s_s

really weak pushes on me, gamma and wisdom, terrible logic, and lack of anything towny.

[Wisdom]

how is 3 votes rushing?

[Something_Smart]

it's more than half the number of votes required to lynch

in 1/7 the allotted time

[Wisdom]

and?

[Infinity 324]

Why are weak pushes and bad logic scummy -_-

[Something_Smart]

and?

and and?
It's my vote. I'll place it when I want to.

Why are weak pushes and bad logic scummy -_-

because scum need to fabricate cases on townies without real reasons, so they have to use bad reasons.

[Tenshii]

@Wisdom:

You said there's four people scummier than Gamma. So far, I count Tenshii, Creature and me, who's the fourth?

a simple plan

Wisdom scumread ASP for the same reason I scumread Gamma. If there's even a reason behind Wisdom's scumread in the first place, I doubt it though. Again, he's just throwing out reads/names at his convenience. The only excuse he has for not outting reasons is "laziness." A convenient excuse to avoid having to give out actual reasons.

oh wait, a simple plan is lovers with tenshi
so not him

Wisdom then later realizes the impossibility of two scum being together, so he just conveniently abandons said scumread and then townreads ASP. This shows how baseless his ASP read was in the first place.

I would've expected town!you to talk about how scum!tenshii makes gamma town

This is Wisdom not catching it because scum!Wisdom knows I'm town. And this is also Wisdom not considering the possibility of scum!Tenshii bussing scum!Gamma because scum!Wisdom wants his lover!Gamma to be townread.

I assume (because Wisdom isn't doing much to out reasons) Wisdom's scumread on me because of Sheeping and Being Opportunistic. When he was confronted about why sheeping is scummy, he couldn't back it up. His whole vote on me is opportunistic in and of itself.

[Tenshii]

I'm conflicted, as

I don't like Wisdom's reluctance to communicate and unwillingness to elaborate on his points,

but overall I'm not getting a scum vibe from him.

So despite the bold, you FEEL that he's not scum?

I'm feeling town!creature here. Mainly cause he's talking to me more in private than in public, scum would just keep their private thoughts secret.

What is he talking about?

I feel like this is how Tenshii plays town.

Elaborate how you got here please. Along with your other reads.

tenshii apparently doesnt even have completed scumgames so meta officially goes off the wisdom

I didn't understand this too.

I'd still like an answer btw.
In post 142, Wisdom wrote:

At your 65* and posts after. You were worrying about a push that didn't exist. Defensive: very anxious to challenge or avoid criticism.