Mini 1836: Space Mafia (Game Over)

[Something_Smart]

VC 1.4

Toto (2)- grapes, Zachstralkita
grapes (2)- massive, Toto
TwoFace (1)- Xkfyu
Zachstralkita (1)- Dunnstral
Dunnstral (1)- TwoFace
massive (1)- Nosferatu
itlepip (1)- MariaR
MariaR (1)- itlepip

Not voting (3)- A Simple Plan, Naomi-Tan, gerryoat

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

(expired on 2016-10-13 11:00:00)

Mod notes:

[MariaR]

I dedicate this bump to MariaR.

Bless your soul <3

[Dunnstral]

Dunn seems to agree with Grapes and somewhat defensive of her. Not sure why she is reading her town so fast, therefore my question above.

Please point out where I am defensive of Grapes and "agree with them"

You seem to agree I'm scum. I can not find any reference to a post where you say 'I agree with you Grapes' if that's what you mean.

On the defending, I apologize because I thought I remembered something about this, but it must have been the interaction about grapes in space.

Also, can you answer my question, why do you think Grapes is town?

I think you're scummy. You'll note that you haven't even been taking up my primary attention

Your only basis for seeing a connection between me and grapes is that we both think you're scummy on page 7

I'm townreading Grapes because I've played with them where they were mafia before and I think they're town so far into this

[Dunnstral]

does anyone have any reads right now?

Zach is scum
Grapes is town
Twoface is going to be a real

treat

to play with but maybe town
Xkfyu is towny
Toto is scummy

Don't have opinions on the rest

I like SDR2 so you will be my sole TR for no reason at all right now.

Good taste

[gerryoat]

VOTE: Xkfyu

I just want to see 9 people being voted. I haven't even read you yet

[TwoFace]

Maria why is asking for reads such a problem?

You aren't seriously asking this question are you?

[Xkfyu]

i'm going to learn hard town on toto right now.

Why?

@grapes - because he's painfully obvious town. His actions look genuine to me. His response that he was accused of being coached look genuine.

@dunn - mainly for post 114 (but tbh none of your posts make me get a town vibe). No way town makes that post. It's obvious he was sharing his thoughts and even VI's (which I didn't get the impression he was) and n00bs (which he probably is) are perfectly capable of doing. He's an easy target for scum to go after. Then I saw the very next post and that screams scum. Who freaking cares if massive dropped an Rvs vote and didn't comment on anything else. It's not AI at all. You then accuse him of ignoring the game which you don't even know it's true(which he later confirms isn't).

It's basically seems like you are trying too hard and being very manipulative

Full disclosure here. All the stuff I said earlier about my vote on you being serious, none of that was serious. Well, it was serious, I just wasn't seriously scum reading you.

NOW, however, I am, and my vote will remain on you.

[Xkfyu]

@Toto I asked if you had any questions for me. Did you ignore me or do you not have any?

I believe ignoring you, or not having any questions, are not the only two options here. Again, I find the way you ask questions a bit misleading.

I did not ignore you, since had not read your post.
I also didn't think of anything to ask you yet, or at least how to ask it.

But since you are asking me this now. What do you think I should be asking you?

this sounds robotic XD

Sounds reasonable to me.

[Xkfyu]

It's not that I think that people should always care why they're being voted/scumread.

This disconnect is that there are things a town!toto should be wondering about.

I wanna know why he's not wondering.

I think TwoFace is scum, but I still agree with him.

I rarely care why people are voting me.

[TwoFace]

NOW, however, I am, and my vote will remain on you.

ok?

why did you feel the need to make that statement? it served no purpose really.

[Xkfyu]

does anyone have any reads right now?

I'm scum reading TwoFace and leaning slight scum on you.

[Xkfyu]

How so?

Went from looking like a vi to knowing exactly what they're talking about

The way they talked was different along with what they were saying

This is the post Twoface says "no town would make"

Which is weird, because I'm town and it's pretty much exactly what I was thinking.

[TwoFace]

well if you are town you aren't a very good player if you would think or say that.

[TwoFace]

damn, I forgot you are the person I said I was going to igore because you already proved if you are town you are a bad player..

back to ignoring you

[Xkfyu]

Scum will eventually slip (logically) because they have no choice.

You're new to Mafia, and that's cool and all, but this statement isn't actually accurate.

[Xkfyu]

Why not let me keep my vote there for a while and then call me out for it instead of stopping me from doing the scummy thing?

Are you asking me why I tried to stop an action I found scummy right away? I feel like that answers it in itself

Alos I did it to make toto not feel pressuered by your vote so he could read normally and not feel rushed some people don't feel that way with votes but I don't know who that is.

Sorry to but into this, but I actually agree with both of you, so I'm unbiased here.

When I read pip's post about toto's reads, I had essentially the same thoughts as you. The difference is that I took my thoughts a step further and realized why pip did it the way he did.

If pip is town, knowing that toto is a newer player, some unwarranted aggression, seemingly out of the blue, might throw a scum toto off guard in a way that simply asking toto for reads wouldn't have.

[Xkfyu]

butt*

[Xkfyu]

Wait what am I reading

Alos I did it to make toto not feel pressuered by your vote so he could read normally and not feel rushed some people don't feel that way with votes but I don't know who that is.

I'm not sure what that means, but since he is defending me I feel emotionally inclined to townread him a little bit.

Scum will eventually slip (logically) because they have no choice. But it is too early in the game for that to work, and I think the strategy is more likely to get us a mislynch at this stage of the game. That is something scum would benefit from so I guess I should read her a bit scummy.

I don't follow.

[Xkfyu]

NOW, however, I am, and my vote will remain on you.

ok?

why did you feel the need to make that statement? it served no purpose really.

Sure it did.

Now you know that my vote on you is for real serious, and no longer part of some reaction test.

[massive]

Naomi will sort herself after a couple of days.

Toto, is English your first language?

[Naomi-Tan]

I'm currently liking Xkfyu's stuff as he is reading over the game and commenting like I usually do. Its an early read though. It just feels like they are putting effort into thinking about the game.

[Naomi-Tan]

NOW, however, I am, and my vote will remain on you.

ok?

why did you feel the need to make that statement? it served no purpose really.

This post on the other hand I don't like. pointing out that hey that comment is useless is really dumb. Partially when its what they was talking about. declaring that 'hey my vote earlier was a joke vote but now thinking on it I do find you scummy' is kinda important information and saying it served no purpose undermines their contribution. I think if you had a green look on this you'd be asking; 'Hey! why you now finding me redish? what changed' Not entirely disregarding the comment and just calling them a bad player.

[TwoFace]

I think if you had a green look on this you'd be asking; 'Hey! why you now finding me redish? what changed'

well that's probably what you would do but that isn't what I would do and it certainly isn; what I think a good player would do. Good players know they town, they know other players calling them scum are either scum themselves or just wrong. Given that this particular player has already shown signs of poor judgement, I can (and will) basically ignore anything he has to say especially regarding me.

The biggest mistake people do is get wrapped up in what others think of them. That's a waste of time and really stupid

[massive]

Hey Naomi, I'm prolly gonna vote you but uh what made townies go from Blue (78) to Green (above)?

[massive]

Actually I answered my own question. Carry on.