In post 704, Shaziro wrote: In post 454, SummerInWonderland wrote:
I don't like the push on rando one bit, WHY would he claim that at this point, I dont see any reason as scum...
yea i have seem scum claim weird stuff for the sake of it before but this does not seem like that at all and I read it as very towny.
shaz is still voting that and I can't see good reason to stick with that. why?
@hiplop I am assuming you want these farm votes for good reasons
VOTE: hiplop
Right, first things first. She thinks something is towny, and can't see a good reason to keep my vote there. My problem is, I made it clear why my vote was still there, and what it'd take to remove it. She chose to ignore that. I figured it was probably just her wanting to know my reasons and maybe she didn't see them at first, but I think even just looking back and seeing "I think you slipped, so this is where I'm most comfortable voting, prove me wrong and it'll go away" is fairly clear.
In post 455, SummerInWonderland wrote:@shaziro are you town reading yume based on personality tells??
In post 277, Shaziro wrote:Yume appears to be more timid and careful with her posts when she's scum, from what I've seen. With Vedith's stuff she was just firing back quickly and wasn't concerned with how it appeared.
this has nothing to do with alignment?? its weak and she sits null to me
I don't like it and I don't like your tunnel on rando
VOTE: shaziro
So now she calls it a tunnel on Random. I don't know about you, but I've never seen somebody tunneling say "If you can just do some towny stuff, instead of a lot of nada, my opinion will change with that. I'm not locked into a read on you by any means". But, if she asserts that it's what is happening, folks might believe her and follow suit. Especially when in that last quote, she'd already started buddying up to Hiplop. Now, yes, town buddying up with town is an important part of the game, but I genuinely don't think she had a townread on him when he'd spent practically all of the time before that making jokes and fooling around. You can argue that fooling around is townlop, but Legends of the Hidden Speakeasy says otherwise. She also discredited my thoughts on Yume with no real argument. Just more assertion. "That has nothing to do with alignment."...okay, but why? I've shown why I think it does, why couldn't she show why she thinks it doesn't? Again, I figured it might just be that she doesn't like to explain why she reads things a certain way, I've seen an annoyingly large number of folks refuse to explain their reads, assumedly to keep their precious scumhunting secrets secret? Maybe it was just that, and she's just wrong town (Which I brought up when FB started calling her scum, because that's where I was at at the time).
In post 560, SummerInWonderland wrote:Okay sorry I have been busy the few days I do think I can give some reads though this is the best way I get my thoughts out for myself!
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Town- slight town reads
Hiplop – Jess thinks MUNDO is town and you need farm for good reasons! I don’t see you acting different from town hiplop other than MUNDO is in control and I am glad I have a town read on my boyfriend! I also know a super secret way to catch you as scum hehe
Random Midget –Believe what he said about thresh being in the game and doubt he would lie about that as scum! I fail to see the motive as why scum would do that because he got heat for that? I would say this is a solid town read and I didn’t like the push on it town read
Jester- I like that you continue to question people and I think that is towny and trying to grasp thoughts. I liked your questions to shaz as well! slight town read
Shaziro- I don’t like your pushes particularly on random and then your progression with Yume. I think you are more null because you could just be wrong? I don’t like the random pushed but you pushed it super aggresivley and I think that comes more from town than scum? My mind goes back and forth with this..
Now let's talk about this post, which really started to change my mind to the scummy side of things! First off, more buddying with hiplop, as well as the "Super secret way to catch you as scum" thing, which I think is completely fiction and meant to make other people think "Oh, she knows him super well so it must be true, therefore Hiplop is town!", which would then make a townhip happier with her slot.
She's back to calling my push on Random a push, instead of tunneling. The "you got heat for it so scum wouldn't do that!" is just dumb, imo. Gambits are a thing, and if, for instance, he knew that a scum partner was Lucian and he was Thresh (or vice versa), he could make that claim, deal with the suspicion, and then ride the towncred. I'm not claiming that's what happened, as I believe the claim fairly fully now, but I think that her trying to ignore the fact that it could easily be a scum gambit is her trying to push on me for doing something "anti-town".
The Jester read is 100% where I agree with Fire about it being fake. Jester has asked me 2 questions, and one of them was garbage by -anyone's- metrics. The first was who I felt "wasn't doing so hot", basically asking me who I thought was faking a role restriction. That's fair enough, but fairly null imo. I can see how it could be seen as towny though, so that's not my problem. The second was him asking me if it was "a bit early for a chainsaw". Because he missed that I was voting to give him farm, not to lynch him. That was clarified fairly quickly, and I don't see any way that misunderstanding could be read as any kind of alignment. So the "questions to shaz" she liked amounted to "who do you think is a fake post restriction?" and "LOL WAY TO CHAINSA- what? Oh. Nevermind". That read is fake as all hell.
Lastly, she does the non-commital fence read on me. I sit on the fence a lot too, especially when I start playing devil's advocate, and I understand that it's not a bad thing. But I -don't- like that Vedith gave -me- hell for it, but not her. Which made me think that if he was actually scum instead of just wrong town, like I'd been wavering on him, they could be partners, and he's selectively applying "logic" to benefit scum. Firebringer was right when he pointed out that she and Vedith have the same reads, and he jumped to defend her and decry the idea of voting her. The same thing he accused FB of doing. I think Summer is the more likely of the two of them to be scum, as (like I said), Vedith rubs me the wrong way a lot of the time anyhow and could simply be angrily wrong. But if she flipped scum, I'd be sure he would. So, once I'd made those connections, I went with the vote on 'er.
Apologies for spelling/grammar fuckups, I'm tired and being powered by gas station hot dogs. But, I'm as good as my word, and I said I'd explain.
