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iraonavp · Post Post #1075 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:10 pm

In post 1071, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 1069, iraonavp wrote:Actually, there has to be two remaining scum-aligned players since gerryoat was blocked on night 2 and there was a kill as well. If there is only one scum-aligned player, they couldn't block any more.

Therefore, I still think we should lynch MariaR because she probably just didn't perform the kill on that night.

Of course, this is invalid if there is actually town-aligned roleblocker, but I doubt it at this point...
So you're saying... MariaR is the roleblocker and she didn't roleblock anyone?

Good point...

I think maybe she is town-aligned and actually this rash... The result clears her I think, barring very unlikely circumstances such as she is JOAT who only used roleblocker on night 2 and ninja on night 3.

Maybe it's just Psyche and Gear all this time.

Psyche · Post Post #1076 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:11 pm

In post 1072, BigYoshiFan wrote:Also, I feel dumb, how did I not realize the roleblock and kill on the same day? Who kept arguing there was only 1 scum left? XD

plenty of setups allow lone scum prs to kill and use their powers in the same night?

Psyche · Post Post #1077 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:12 pm

I think Maria is clear but Yoshi is scum pulling a gambit.

iraonavp · Post Post #1078 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:14 pm

In post 1076, Psyche wrote:
In post 1072, BigYoshiFan wrote:Also, I feel dumb, how did I not realize the roleblock and kill on the same day? Who kept arguing there was only 1 scum left? XD
plenty of setups allow lone scum prs to kill and use their powers in the same night?

Are you sure?

I thought it was standard that you can't, and it's normal game.

Psyche · Post Post #1079 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:16 pm

um, yes?

Psyche · Post Post #1080 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:16 pm

hell look at rule 5

5. if a player has both a faction ability and a role ability that either both function during day phases or both function during night phases, that player may use both a faction ability and a role ability during the same phase.

iraonavp · Post Post #1081 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:20 pm

In post 950, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 948, Psyche wrote:
vote maria
Who do you think is her partner?

Considering that he thought there were two, and only when Gear talked about it we considered it more, I think it's believable for BigYoshiFan not to think that MariaR is cleared from his result.

What can he gain from gambiting about this if MariaR is town-aligned? Doesn't seem like much, since we were going to lynch MariaR anyway.

I believe him...

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #1082 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:20 pm

In post 1080, Psyche wrote:hell look at rule 5
5. if a player has both a faction ability and a role ability that either both function during day phases or both function during night phases, that player may use both a faction ability and a role ability during the same phase.

SOLD!

iraonavp · Post Post #1083 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:21 pm

In post 1080, Psyche wrote:hell look at rule 5
5. if a player has both a faction ability and a role ability that either both function during day phases or both function during night phases, that player may use both a faction ability and a role ability during the same phase.

Oh...

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #1084 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:23 pm

In post 1074, Psyche wrote:how many times has yoshi voted maria just today

Knowing that Maria did not visit anyone night 3 doesn't CLEAR her of anything, but it makes it much more likely she is town. This seems like such a narrow-minded post in a desperate attempt to get dirt on me.

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #1085 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:24 pm

I mean... is there an advantage to using only one person to roleblock and kill someone? Did they still suspect a PR was alive?

Psyche · Post Post #1086 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:25 pm

"narrow-minded"
that'll be a quote to remember

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #1087 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:28 pm

In post 1081, iraonavp wrote:
In post 950, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 948, Psyche wrote:
vote maria
Who do you think is her partner?
Considering that he thought there were two, and only when Gear talked about it we considered it more, I think it's believable for BigYoshiFan not to think that MariaR is cleared from his result.

What can he gain from gambiting about this if MariaR is town-aligned? Doesn't seem like much, since we were going to lynch MariaR anyway.

I believe him...

Okay I believe your 100% town now.

Psyche · Post Post #1088 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:29 pm

Maria was in a lot of senses the scummiest person by the end of yesterday. If a second scum is generally townread, then they have no reason not to play it safe.
But a lot of calculations about Maria change if it's assumed there are two scum in this thread.

Psyche · Post Post #1089 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:30 pm

In post 1087, BigYoshiFan wrote:Okay I believe your 100% town now.

careful

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #1090 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:39 pm

I mean, because a mafia roleblocker can kill and roleblock at the same time, I'm going back to the assumption that there is 1 scum left. Also, when I opened my laptop, a small flame ignited at the edge of the hinge... uhhhh should I be worried?

BigYoshiFan · Post Post #1091 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:45 pm

@Iraonavp, did my claim and information make you read MariaR as less scummy at all?

MariaR · Post Post #1092 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:51 pm

w/e I don't want to be fucking clear because of a fucking report I don't know what I did wrong WHY IS MY TOWN GAME SO BAD I ALWAYS GET LYNCHED WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG
I hate using pure emotion but I don't KNOW WHAT TO DO LIKE HOLY HELL
I felt like I finally had a good grip and a few people townread me you know but nope I'm just getting sr to high hell it's like so weird for me

I don't get sr as scum it just doesn't happen and it's easy for me but when I'm town I'm always the top fos like...wtf is wrong with me

Psyche · Post Post #1093 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:59 pm

In post 1092, MariaR wrote:I don't know what I did wrong

penchant for hammering

MariaR · Post Post #1094 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 4:59 pm

You don't know how confusing and upsetting it is for me when I come from a site where my town game is really good and I'm obv town all the time and my scum game is trash

to a place where my scum game is perfect and my town game is trash

Pedit: I hammered because I thought he had a guilty!

Psyche · Post Post #1095 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:00 pm

thinking that was a mistake too
but let's just focus on winning

MariaR · Post Post #1096 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 5:15 pm

I was about to make the claim that I wouldn't hammer as mafia if it's only 2 but that's a lie cause I would.

Gear · Post Post #1097 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:05 pm

I'm VT.

In post 1036, BigYoshiFan wrote:Okay, but you didn't actually vote light.

Light was at L-1, I didn't feel the need to hurry the day up. You've mentioned the fact that I didn't vote light a couple of times, why do you think that it's relevant?

In post 1037, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 1024, Gear wrote:I haven't seen any other 11 player games, but 13 player games with 3 scum are typical, and 11 players with 2 scum, all vanilla is scum sided (http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=68387) see post 11, so watcher + pinger, with scum RB doesn't seem crazy to me.
But with a roleblocker, I feel there should be more roles to block, no?

I don't know.

In post 1045, BigYoshiFan wrote:Okay... I'm a town tracker.
N1: Gerryoat targets Gamma Emerald
N2: Gamma Emerald targeted no one
N3: MariaR targeted no one

I keep getting scummy vibes from Maria, but because she didn't visit anyone, that's keeping me from making a strong scum read. She has no reason NOT to target anyone if she was scum, whether she was killing or roleblocking someone, right?

I don't believe this claim at all. I'll explain in my next post.

In post 1063, BigYoshiFan wrote:Where was he for Gamma's lynch?

You know Gamma was lynched quickly, why are you complaining about this?

Gear · Post Post #1098 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:14 pm

Why Yoshi is not a tracker:
1. He confused watcher with tracker.

In post 711, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 709, Jaack wrote:
In post 706, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 696, Jaack wrote:I am town watcher, saw light_ganski targeting rask last night.

VOTE: light_ganski

A quick iso of ganski doesn't leave me with any good feels as to a partner, but my guess it would be someone on the Jake wagon. Probably Gamma or Yoshi.
Why did you target light_ganski?
I targeted Rask. Watcher sees who else targets my target. Rask was the obvious nk choice since everyone but ira was hard townreading him.
Oh oops, sorry I got confused with the tracker role.

2. His response to Light's tracker claim:

In post 732, BigYoshiFan wrote:I still don't see a valid reason for why you would track Rask, you townread her.

Which indicates that he actually considered it, which he wouldn't do if he was a tracker.

Gear · Post Post #1099 (ISO) » Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:31 pm

In post 699, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 696, Jaack wrote:I am town watcher, saw light_ganski targeting rask last night.

VOTE: light_ganski

A quick iso of ganski doesn't leave me with any good feels as to a partner, but my guess it would be someone on the Jake wagon. Probably Gamma or Yoshi.
I'll believe it for now, some part of me is thinking you two are partners bussing each other.
VOTE: light_ganski

Actually maybe it checks out? He thought Jaack was claiming tracker too, and was bussing light.