Open 655: Fire and Ice Mafia OVER

[Kop]

that is not related to the current context in any way whatsoever

charloux isn't pushing me because he thinks im bad and an easy mislynch

at the same time he implies he thinks im a newbtown (townreading me), but at the same time he is nullscumreading me. his read on me isn't genuine.

He claimed you were VI in post #44, then null scum in #129. Doesn't it occur that something could have changed in between the 80 odd posts made prior to the earlier claim?

[Harkonnen97]

that is not related to the current context in any way whatsoever

charloux isn't pushing me because he thinks im bad and an easy mislynch

at the same time he implies he thinks im a newbtown (townreading me), but at the same time he is nullscumreading me. his read on me isn't genuine.

He claimed you were VI in post #44, then null scum in #129. Doesn't it occur that something could have changed in between the 80 odd posts made prior to the earlier claim?

considering that both posts 125 and 129 imply that he thinks im a newb/bad town, no, it doesnt.

[Charloux]

This is a multiball game(More than one scum team), so what i meant was that i wouldn't mind working with you even if you were scum, because in this game even scum scum-hunt.
Sorry i made you feel bad, i went overboard.

[Harkonnen97]

u cant make me feel bad. im not frustrated because of ur words towards me. im frustrated at u urself. u arent reading my posts.

[Kop]

that is not related to the current context in any way whatsoever

charloux isn't pushing me because he thinks im bad and an easy mislynch

at the same time he implies he thinks im a newbtown (townreading me), but at the same time he is nullscumreading me. his read on me isn't genuine.

He claimed you were VI in post #44, then null scum in #129. Doesn't it occur that something could have changed in between the 80 odd posts made prior to the earlier claim?

considering that both posts 125 and 129 imply that he thinks im a newb/bad town, no, it doesnt.

I don't see him town reading you, or implying that. It's scum vs scum vs town, it's virtually every man for himself.

[Tenshii]

Prodge. Will catch up/post sometime tonight.

[ThinkBig]

OK, I am back. Allow me some time to catch up. Can someone catch me up to speed?

[Io]

that is not related to the current context in any way whatsoever

charloux isn't pushing me because he thinks im bad and an easy mislynch

at the same time he implies he thinks im a newbtown (townreading me), but at the same time he is nullscumreading me. his read on me isn't genuine.

He claimed you were VI in post #44, then null scum in #129. Doesn't it occur that something could have changed in between the 80 odd posts made prior to the earlier claim?

considering that both posts 125 and 129 imply that he thinks im a newb/bad town, no, it doesnt.

I don't see him town reading you, or implying that. It's scum vs scum vs town, it's virtually every man for himself.

125's end does suggest Char doing a reluctant town read on. Not something that he feels strong about, and it's more of an admitting that his argument was bad than anything.

Putting this out here now since it seams that the logic is scum will scum hunt so don't trust people scumhunting. No that's just wrong. Just because it's multiball doesn't devalue the value of scumhunting as a town tell. This is because even outside of multiball scum will "scumhunt" but it wont be sincere. The same logic would still apply here as scum are still scum hunting just more than they would do outside of multiball. The point is that scum will be not as genuine with their scumhunting so shrugging of a player scumhunting as NAI is not reasonable.
And it's not every man for himself. It's the collective town working together against 2 mafia who each have a partner they are working with. Townies should not be playing the lone wolf game, and you know what if scum are scumhunting to find scum in order to blend in with the town that's better for the whole town. I would much rather town read a scum for spearheading an opposing faction than be skeptical of scumhunting in general. When scum hunt they still go after to kill scum. Yes that helps them as they need to do it, but it helps the town just as much if not more since we are not mislynching and killing a scum and if 1 faction dies that's 1 less night kill for the rest of the game.
I do not want to see anymore 152's or 154's trying to discredit scumhunting as not an instant town tell. It never even was an instant town tell to begin with as the town tell is not faking your scumhunting.

Side note, but can someone explain what posturing is? Not really sure because I can't seam to find a clear definition on the wiki or google.

[Firebringer]

If we as a species of players, could not do walls. That would be cool.
Hey kop, you not going to acknowledge this wagon?

[Io]

If we as a species of players, could not do walls. That would be cool.
Hey kop, you not going to acknowledge this wagon?

How about no and I do what I want.

Few "walls," really a paragraph or 2 at most, is better than a bunch of small individual posts that have no meaning or real content.
Like you. Of your small posts about 2 (89 and 92) have meaningful contribution and you can probably count this one. While walls are annoying to read at times, I my opinion they are far better than a sea of smaller 1-2 line post. Sure, if you can get your point across in 1 or 2 lines do that, but walls walk people through an argument and I beleive that to make them better since you can more accurately find a flaw in a person's reasoning.
Though posts over 3 paragraphs are probably a bit excessive.

[Firebringer]

How about no and I do what I want.

[Firebringer]

Charloux might be scum here.
More on that later maybe.

[Transcend]

Narurider is being prodded.

[ThinkBig]

UNVOTE: Drone

[Tenshii]

How serious are you being, Tenshii? Is the whole post meant to be read in the same way?

I'm always serious and I hate RVS. I need to be a beacon of solemnity in the face of posts like these.

I was serious. It was weak, but serious.

english isnt my first language

Did you post this in response to something? Or are you just simply stating it?

You can definitely tell by word choices and sentence structure that it isn't his first language. Understanding language is different than that.

I don't see it. Where?

you are accusing blix of posturing

yes u are posturing yourself

What do you mean by this?

Why do I need to prove to you anything? I agree with your assessment of Charloux and how he has stated his non-concern for what people think, but I don't think that's enough for a vote from me.

And yet you're down to stay on a baseless wagon?

[Harkonnen97]

context.

posturing is faking a stance

[Drone]

Catching up: up until now looks like this is a pseudo RVS.
Seen some nothing being posted.

[Expedience]

I don't really care that much how others see me. You being over-concerned how people see you is more

likely

to be scum mentality.

This is ridiculously forced, it's like he tried to set it up with the random 33% post but it's such a leap of logic.

I don't really like Blix's side of it either, especially his response to this post, but I'm letting him off because his cocky attitude sounds genuine and he's a newbie. I think it could come from town trying to make witty comebacks off the cuff.

[Expedience]

charloux thinks im a town VI, yet at the same time he nullscumreads me.

vote charloux dogs.

Whilst scum sometimes use VI as scapegoats, I don't think it's the case here.

It's a trickle of discredits. Look at how passive-agressive that <3 is, omg

VOTE: Charloux

[Expedience]

This is a multiball game(More than one scum team), so what i meant was that i wouldn't mind working with you even if you were scum, because in this game even scum scum-hunt.
Sorry i made you feel bad, i went overboard.

I don't buy this at all, this isn't a thing that exists. When I play games I don't even consider multiball (unless I'm scum - however I think it's more likely this is just a fake excuse).

When you say "lol ur dum get smarter and i might not look down on you <3", it doesn't equate to "i think you're scum and bad i hope you get smarter so we can find the other scumteam together". It's pretty obviously just trying to stop people from trusting Harkonnen down both roads at once.

I don't like Kop's defense much either, it feels scummy because too much benefit of the doubt given to Charloux.

[Harkonnen97]

It's scum vs scum vs town, it's virtually every man for himself.

have u played in a multiball game before?

[Drone]

VOTE: Hark
I can feel the scum hunting pressuring him.
I like Char's posts about Hark. They bring out genuine responses from which just emit the aura of scum. I sense frustration.

[Expedience]

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[Expedience]

I understand completely where Harkonnen is coming from in most of his recent posts, and I have a townread on him.

Drone, you realize he's getting frustrated because of people like MariaR sheeping scum for literally no reason.

Charloux isn't even voting Harkonnen though, wow.

[Drone]

If Char, Maria, and everyone else accusing him of things that are not true; irrelevant.
Then he could simply ignore them.

While Char doesn't even vote Hark. I do.
I am the one sensing this scumniess, and I might be alone.

Harkon; Expedience;
At this point, do you have a clear lynch candidate?