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Post #0 (ISO ) » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:36 pm
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by BBmolla » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:36 pm
Science is kinda scumsided so this is my attempt at making it slightly less so.
BIOLOGY!!
2 Mafia Goon
2 Masons
1 Town Hidden Soldier
2 Vanilla Townies
Masons and Mafia have daytalk.
At the start of the game, Mafia recieve the name of the Soldier.
If the game ends with the Soldier as one of the last two players, Town wins.
Soldier is told they are a VT.
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Post #1 (ISO ) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:56 pm
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by Realeo » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:56 pm
According to computer simulation, BIOLOGY! is a 55% mafia win and 45% town win.
An improvement compared to SCIENCE!: 63% mafia win and 37% town win.
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Post #2 (ISO ) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:03 pm
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by Realeo » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:03 pm
The following statement that I believe is strategy equilibrium is committed to the program:
> If mason is about to be lynched D1--the other mason claim
> If both masons make it town D2--at least 1 mason claim (EV:1/3). It doesn't matter 1 or 2. Mafia shouldn't cc.
> On D3, the mafia is aiming to CC VT instead of the mason.
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Post #3 (ISO ) » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:38 pm
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by BBmolla » Fri Jul 08, 2016 10:38 pm
Thanks Realeo! That balance seems pretty good actually.
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Post #4 (ISO ) » Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:02 am
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by callforjudgement » Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:02 am
@Realeo: I believe you can improve the strategy like this: if a mason is about to be lynched D1, that player claims; if scum claims mason then one mason counterclaims; if scum counterclaims a mason claim then the other mason countercounterclaims. This plays out almost the same as your strategy, but makes it harder for scum to aim their N1 kill.
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Post #5 (ISO ) » Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:31 pm
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by Realeo » Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:31 pm
I feel you're correct, but I will crunch the logic first. I feel something is off.
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Post #6 (ISO ) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:20 am
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by Map Wolf » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:20 am
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but what exactly is stopping scum from just killing the soldier immediately?
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Post #7 (ISO ) » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:37 am
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by callforjudgement » Sun Sep 04, 2016 7:37 am
It means that they don't get to kill the Masons instead, which will potentially lead to them getting caught by PoE. The Soldier's basically there to ensure that if scum can't get them lynched during the day, they have to make suboptimal kills at night.
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Post #8 (ISO ) » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:31 pm
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by House » Wed Sep 21, 2016 3:31 pm
I've never seen a PR I'd prefer VT over before this.
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Post #9 (ISO ) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:35 am
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by RyanK » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:35 am
If the mafia goons pretend to be masons...
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Post #10 (ISO ) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:46 am
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by House » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:46 am
One mason flip outs the team.
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Post #11 (ISO ) » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:54 pm
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by Infinity 324 » Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:54 pm
In post 8 , House wrote: I've never seen a PR I'd prefer VT over before this.
It's strictly better than a VT...I don't get it.
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Post #12 (ISO ) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:45 am
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by House » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:45 am
Not for the sucker stuck with it.
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Post #13 (ISO ) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 5:30 am
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by Infinity 324 » Wed Oct 05, 2016 5:30 am
You don't need to survive to endgame as town to have a successful game
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Post #14 (ISO ) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:38 am
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by House » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:38 am
No, but it still sucks to be chosen to die not for what you can do but simply because of your nonutility role.
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Post #15 (ISO ) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:39 am
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by Infinity 324 » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:39 am
Fair enough
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Post #16 (ISO ) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:05 am
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by Firebringer » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:05 am
There is now a completed game version of this setup found here:
Biology Blitz
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Post #17 (ISO ) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:06 am
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by House » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:06 am
*takes a deep bow*
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Post #18 (ISO ) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:08 am
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by Something_Smart » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:08 am
*kicks house from behind so he falls over*
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Post #19 (ISO ) » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:25 am
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by House » Wed Oct 05, 2016 8:25 am
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