Open 654 | Surrealism - Game over

[Aubrey]

Well I suppose technically it isn't RVS since I picked someone out. Usually RVS is just shitty ways that people get people to start talking. They hadn't done anything other than say nothing, to earn a vote. I constitute it as RVS looking at it though that perspective.

I find this pointless, and a waste of time though.

[Aubrey]

to clarify, I find you trying to scum read me on this as pointless and a waste of time.

[hi im Yakko]

Well I suppose technically it isn't RVS since I picked someone out. Usually RVS is just shitty ways that people get people to start talking. They hadn't done anything other than say nothing, to earn a vote. I constitute it as RVS looking at it though that perspective.

I find this pointless, and a waste of time though.

hey I'm not the one explaining a rvs vote that is a pressure vote that is technically a rvs vote looking at it through a certain perspective. That's all you.

[Aristophanes]

as far as vax vs aristo goes I'm gonna go with gut reaction and vote aristo

@mod vc pls

I hate telling people their gut sucks, but..

[Aubrey]

heh, Okay Yakko. We'll see just how far your pushing gets you with everyone else then.

[hi im Yakko]

as far as vax vs aristo goes I'm gonna go with gut reaction and vote aristo

@mod vc pls

I hate telling people their gut sucks, but..

hmmmm the fact that you went after skold early on is still on my mind. that and the fact that you called meowmix town.

[Aristophanes]

as far as vax vs aristo goes I'm gonna go with gut reaction and vote aristo

@mod vc pls

I hate telling people their gut sucks, but..

hmmmm the fact that you went after skold early on is still on my mind. that and the fact that you called meowmix town.

People make mistakes. Reads change. Reacements wield new information for reading a slot.

I also have no confirmation that either of those was wrong right now.

[Aubrey]

UNVOTE: Ari

Questioning my read. I'll relook at him and others tomorrow after work.

[Dunnstral]

People make mistakes. Reads change. Reacements wield new information for reading a slot.

What did Vax do that made you scumread him then, if it wasn't due to meowmix?

[Aristophanes]

People make mistakes. Reads change. Reacements wield new information for reading a slot.

What did Vax do that made you scumread him then, if it wasn't due to meowmix?

You have read the thread right?

[Dunnstral]

Refresh my memory

[Aristophanes]

Spoiler: Vax Case

Vax:
"I'm n page 9 right now, holy cow you guys talk alot.... that's... GREAT!" - Reads as...so... FAKE!

I also dislike his framing of Jester as a narrator. It's an easy thing to push and isn't really scummy, but can easily be made to seem like it is. Setting up a future scumread/lynch early on.

Pushes a Jester/Dunn lynch order, with Gamma as hard town, but keeps his options open to joining the Gamma push by throwing bits of shade his way. He then drops Jester and has Gamma as a top lynch option once it becomes more viable.

His first post of D2 is damning all in itself. He first retroactively explains his scumread on Gamma, who is flipped town, as if he's nervous about it, and says he "has no idea what happened D1" despite being there, being caught up, and commenting lightly on things that were happening. He then comments on the night phase results, which I don't consider a scumtell itself, but the way he mentions it is off. The slow clap especially. As a third point, his BTD case looked pre-prepped. It would have been impossible to do so though unless he knew Umlaut was going to die overnight.

@blackstar, who do you think is scummiest today so far?

Subtle wordings like this also can mean a lot. He isn't asking Blackstar who he thinks is scum, he's asking who looks scummy. Town are looking for the former, scum for the latter so they have an easy lynch target. And the "So far" tells me he doesn't care about the motivations behind the posts, just their surface read. Otherwise he'd want solid scumreads based on motivations, not current trends.

He asked a lot of questions D2, which is nice. But they don't advance anything and they aren't really scumhunting. Like, his "why did you ask for a VC here?" at me for example. He used it to throw shade using a made up internal narrative I never had. He didn't advance the game. He didn't care where my head was at or acknowledge my answer. He just went with what he wanted to say. Like he has an agenda of sorts...

I could dissect other posts and make more points, but I think this is good for now.

So there, you have your case now!
Can we lynch his slimy ass?

If you actually read through my posts you will realize why I was poking blackstar with questions.

I'm n page 9 right now, holy cow you guys talk alot.... that's... GREAT!

Blackstar seems kinda aggressive but I have more of a null read on him so far.

@Blackstar, your strangely subdued today.

@blackstar, who do you think is scummiest today so far?

I'm not sure if anyone else noticed, but I was debating on weather to call out Black star on his day 2 play, because it was VERY SIGNIFICANT change from day 1. He pretty much stopped posting and seemed to just agree with people and not do too much.

Vax, Blackstar just subbed out. Chances are he got busy or something, and couldn't play as much as he thought he needed to. The subbing and lack of aggressive activity could be connected here.

Likely. Originally I thought he was lurking due to the outcome of events overnight, but his posts still read town to me.

Were you though?
This is every mention of Blackstar in your Iso. Which I read.

The shade I threw gammas way? You didn't want to quote the post huh? Because just saying shade makes it sound scummy, but actually quoting the post wouldn't look bad at all.

Can do.

Progress report: 7/12 reads done.

Gamma, why are you acting like your at L-1 and about to be lynched? Its kind of scummy behavior.

I really have Gamma as a town read, but this comment rubs me the wrong way. I'm going to go back through his iso's and have a re-look.

So its gamma or dunn vote?

Up until a few pages ago I thought dumm was way more scum than my town read of gamma, but ever since the gamma train was POSSIBLE (not confirmed) he has been scrambling like a someone who is WAY to worried. I honestly still can't make up my mind between tot he tow... who is scummier

It's a rather quick reversal if you ask me. Considering the following is your only other mention of Gamma outside of your catchup post.

I really don't feel Gamma is scum, My preference is Jester before Dunn, but I'll vote Dunn over Gamma for sure.

Same goes with the VC count. Show the posts, they speak for themselves.

Once again, no problem.

Incidentally, when I become a low effort poster, as I am currently, I also become a low effort lynch, which scum love to jump upon.

Why do you think scum would jump on you and not BTD6? Vaxkiller? Yakko?

Please explain why you think scum are more likely to be after you for a lynch

I have a long history of becoming lynch bait. Perhaps I am being somewhat self absorbed though.

BTD seems like a possibility for such a thing, as he's a well accepted push. Vax and Yakko are still a little less easily done, so I don't see scum being as likely to jump there.

What is the VC at?

Why did you ask where the VC was at here?

Why did you ask where the VC was at here?

Because I didn't have a good idea where everyone's votes were at and who was pushing easier lynches. It's part of my required analysis.

To me it it kinda sounded like scum saying "What are the votes at, does everyone else think its ok to start voting, I just want to telegraph what I'm doing as to not seem scummy"

It's Mafia. It's always okay to start voting (except in Lylo).

I know its ok, that's why I asked why you would post that (I mean you can look up the VC yourself, so you said it for a reason)

I'll even throw in this bonus post of you making up a motivation which does not exist.

BTD, can you please get your ass in here and scumhunt!

Please?

I read this as:

BTD, I want to add something to the conversation that will make everyone think I'm helping, even tho I have no reasons to be voting for you of my own.

He did respond to most of this. I haven't had a chance to respond to many of his responses yet.

Sorry for the length also.

[Vaxkiller]

This game has been mostly Aristo/Vax/Aubrey with a few others peppered in since Thurs night. Everyone else care to step it up a little?

[Aristophanes]

Indeed, that'd be nice!

[Aubrey]

I can agree with the above.

Jester has been rather quite. I'd love to hear him whisper some sweet words into my ears. Where are ya?

[Aubrey]

We have 2 scum left but we've only focused on BTD, Ari, and Vax. BTD is confirmed town, and the likely hood of both Ari and Vax being scum is small. It would be interesting to hear scum reads outside of those three.

[BTD6_maker]

I mostly agree with the case on Vaxkiller. Aristo's play looks more Town at this stage. At the moment I would rather not switch to Aristo so my vote stays.

There is only one scum left of either faction so we can make a decision as to my target. If Vax flips Mafia, I will pick someone Towny to hopefully get a possible PR or wolf RB. (Obviously I will not announce my result until necessary).Otherwise I will probably track Aristo.

[Creature]

Zachstralkita has been prodded.

Votecount 2.5

[0] BTD6_Maker
[0] Mimikyu

[4] Vaxkiller - BTD6_Maker, eagerSnake, Mimikyu, Aristophanes [L-2]

[1] Aubrey - hi im Yakko
[1] hi im Yakko - Zachstralkita
[0] eagerSnake
[0] Zachstralkita
[0] Dunnstral
[0] The_Jester
[4] Aristophanes - Dunnstral, Vaxkiller

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: The_Jester, Aubrey

There are 10 players alive, 6 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-10-12 20:30:00)

[Zachstralkita]

My bad guys been ghost for a minute


Why arent we just lynching Yakko lol

[Zachstralkita]

I liked MeowMix's posts...

[Aristophanes]

I liked MeowMix's posts...

What about Vax's?

[Aristophanes]

My bad guys been ghost for a minute


Why arent we just lynching Yakko lol

Why should we?

[Vaxkiller]

I liked MeowMix's posts...

No offense to meowmix, but you might be the only one. Even I thought they were weird and would have looked into it.

To clarify I know this is the slot I came into, but I have no idea what they were doing.

[Aubrey]

My bad guys been ghost for a minute


Why arent we just lynching Yakko lol

Why should we?

:/ I mean, has he really done anything outstanding this game?

[Aristophanes]

My bad guys been ghost for a minute


Why arent we just lynching Yakko lol

Why should we?

:/ I mean, has he really done anything outstanding this game?

No, I was more asking for a case though.