[Mini 1835] - Everything Is A Lie Mafia 4 (Abandoned)

[Rylai and Lina]

events :

BNL posted something
[shos publickly voted mod
someone privatly voted the counsel with counself hidden vote]
VC
...
no one voted mod
someone privatly changed that vote to shos for wifom obv
VC

[Leather and Lace]

Unless the second vote starts magically carrying weight, I think we should stop worrying about it.

[Rylai and Lina]

You do risks a lot I presume.

A lot? That's a fairly subjective term.

Thats just a very superficial observation based on what I saw from you till now. I'm taking your aggressive risk-taking persona NAI based of what I can see from you.

I think its just you. that can be your town or mafia doing this.

[Leather and Lace]

I think its just you. that can be your town or mafia doing this.

Very good, keep that doubt in there.

[Rylai and Lina]

Unless the second vote starts magically carrying weight, I think we should stop worrying about it.

I was just fixing malpascp's pov on that cuase he had errors.

I think the whole deal is kindda wifomy and hopefully will be resolved later on. but that "magic" getting weigth to this might cost the game you know right?

[shos]

can we have a VC please?

Why wasnt bnl hammered? The votes need to return to him.
Also I can feel the xyzzy lynch but the doublevote gives me chills to lynch.

[Rylai and Lina]

xyyz has no double vote ... or BNL is loved

there is no other explanation

[malpascp]

events :

BNL posted something
[shos publickly voted mod
someone privatly voted the counsel with counself hidden vote]
VC
...
no one voted mod
someone privatly changed that vote to shos for wifom obv
VC

Hence, I think shos was granted the vote when he voted the Mod, and has been controling it ever since, and lying the whole time.

I'd vote him but I'm not sure how many votes are on him already, and I want someone to proofcheck my reasoning before I accidentally hammer for some dumb mistake.

[House]

I'd vote him but I'm not sure how many votes are on him already, and I want someone to proofcheck my reasoning before I accidentally hammer for some dumb mistake.

I unvoted him, you're fine.

[malpascp]

I think shos was granted the vote when he voted the Mod, and has been controling it ever since, and lying the whole time.

Thoughts on this?

[The Counsel]

I think shos was granted the vote when he voted the Mod, and has been controling it ever since, and lying the whole time.

Thoughts on this?

Hello new traveler.

That vote was in game even before BNLP statement (in VC 1.0). We just had no idea how to use it or how that will work out. Sometime after BNLP asking us to vote ourselves and the next VC, "Shos used The counsel vote" That's the information Voice of the counsel received from the mod.

Sometime between #594 and VC 1.6. "Shos used The counsel vote" again. and in VC 1.6 the vote was on shos himself.

The only logically possible lie in this might be the name of "shos" and nothing else. Someone has that vote utility and that someone is scummy because of keeping this hidden. Again we do believe shos is the real one and there is no lie involved in those results.

We are not convinced that the vote has 0 weight and we think it might be a lie. In summary the vote is not in hands of the counsel and from our POV the sooner it gets sorted the sooner this slot will be purified.

[malpascp]

What do you mean by "sorted"?

[The Counsel]

resolved*

We don't trust what is in "our name" but we have no control over it.

[malpascp]

What do you suggest then?

[The Counsel]

Pressure and investigation

[The MM]

I agree we need a votecount.

Even though personally I would very much like lynching BNL if only for the purpose of playing with my head clear, there is time, and this votecount would give us more insight on the current situation.

[malpascp]

I'm more than willing to lynch the spot that claimed two different roles

[malpascp]

VOTE: The MM

[Ircher]

Huge scumread on the MM.

MM is certainly not a town dayvig, otherwise he wouldn't have responded in that manner. The only way he could be town is if farside was lying, which I heavily doubt; that's a really far-fetched gambit for town (or even scum) to fakeclaim dayvig for just a single reaction.

On the other hand, MM scum makes a lot of sense; what I feel is that he's scum with only daykill ability, and he's trying to deny it but farside took a different approach with it. Farside's dayvig claim had issues too: she was blindly following all the neg util players to claim their role in their first post, but dayvig isn't a role that you want to claim in your first post. Trying to use this to cover up for your shots makes sense.

I wouldn't object to an MM lynch.

[Ircher]

I might have missed something that farside posted, because I reallt don't get why this thung is being discussed. Could anyone who actually thought farside was a trur dayvig explain what caused him to believe that?

I mean
Ive seen countless fake dayvig claims. Even made a billion. Why is this different?

Just the way it was done... It felt different as if Farside was being somewhat serious about the dayvig claim rather than "lol, I'm a dayvig and I just shot you" silliness.

[Ircher]

we know xyyz double vote in VC's was a lie
we don't know who but someone has a second vote in name of counsel which looks like it has 0 weigth but that might be a lie too as well

Others voted mod as well - including me. not sure what do you mean malp guy

~Lina

BNL's "Counsel vote yourself plz"-post triggered the offer of that second vote. Right after that, shos Votes the Mod, thus getting it. And I think shos did it intentionally, but I'm not sure.

Can anyone explain me what's so dumb about this reasoning? Unless The Cousel is lying, it's the only explanation.

I wouldnt say the only one, but it is a plausible explanation imo.

[Ircher]

xyyz has no double vote ... or BNL is loved

there is no other explanation

What about fakehammering?

[Rylai and Lina]

xyyz has no double vote ... or BNL is loved

there is no other explanation

What about fakehammering?

What do you mean

something like a public vote which won't be counted?

[Ircher]

No, I mean when a person revotes who was already voting

[shos]

Claimed two roles? Huh?
Did I miss another claim?