Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]
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Accountant Jack of All Trades
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Everything zakk said this page is AtE or flailing. We need to put him down right now.There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.-
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Gamma Emerald AnySurvivorAny
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Accountant Jack of All Trades
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Uhhh page 22, I didnt know I would make a new pageThere's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.-
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Ankamius Survivor
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I'm at the bottom of page 10 and my level of indifference to what's going on is pretty similar to what I posted on that same page.
The vote count on page nine makes no sense with my current reads, so I'll have to apply context to what I'm seeing before they're really 'complete', but the way my reads are, zakk is below like 5 other people on the scum list.-
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zakk Jack of All Trades
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It's a fad that will die sooner or later. Or maybe the people on it are stubborn enough that it won't. Who knows.In post 545, Ankamius wrote:I just finished reading page 6, and this zakk wagon is very unimpressive so far.
If I die though, it will make one alignment VERY happy. I'll let you figure out which one that is.-
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zakk Jack of All Trades
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I didn't do anything exceptionally scummy.In post 544, Not Chara wrote:In post 169, Not Chara wrote:
tell me what you did that was exceptionally scummy on purpose, with your goal being to acquire votes, and i'll believe that you had a plan.In post 166, zakk wrote:Muahaha excellent my plan worked wonderfully
There aren't enough votes on me yet tho... More please
Get me to at least L-2, I have a super great surprise
I just did something exceptionally noticeable. Which was, making a lot of posts in a short period of time, throwing around my weight, rubbing people the wrong way, and in general, making statements which made as many people uncomfortable as possible in as short a time as possible, so people would have to react more than they wanted, and choose a side on an issue (my wagon, or someone else's, didn't matter) before they wanted to have to take sides on something.
To be honest it's working even better than I planned, with people straight out calling for my death, like Accountant.
I will say this: my wagon has definitely helped a lot of people generate a lot of reads. And for those of you that it hasn't helped, please try re-reading.-
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House Survivor
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Funny, I do that pretty much every game and get townread.In post 555, zakk wrote:I just did something exceptionally noticeable. Which was, making a lot of posts in a short period of time, throwing around my weight, rubbing people the wrong way, and in general, making statements which made as many people uncomfortable as possible in as short a time as possible-
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Ankamius Survivor
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Ankamius Survivor
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That said, what exactly was the point of this and what does it even mean?In post 335, SlySly wrote:4. House parroted SirCakes when SirCakes was being scummy, but SirCakes later clarified his position.-
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Skullduggery Mafia Scum
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Day 1, Vote Count #9
Current Vote Count:
(7)zakk -- House, Blade Dancer, SirCakez, Accountant, Gamma Emerald, Leonshade, gigabyteTroubadour
(0)SirCakez
(1)House -- SnarkySnowman
(0)Maxous
(1)Creature -- Nosferatu
(0)PeregrineV
(0)Blade Dancer
(0)Shiro
(0)MagnaofIllusion
(0)Nosferatu
(1)gigabyteTroubadour -- Maxous
(0)Accountant
(0)Not Chara
(0)Ankamius
(2)SlySly -- zakk, Peptobislawl
(0)McMenno
(0)SnarkySnowman
(2)Peptobislawl -- McMenno, Ankamius
(2)Gamma Emerald -- Creature, Not Chara
(0)Leonshade
(0)Andrius
(0)massive
Not Voting:PeregrineV, Shiro, MagnaofIllusion, SlySly, Andrius, massive
With 22 votes available, it takes 12 votes to hammer.
MagnaofIllusion is V/LA until 10/10.
Gamma Emerald is V/LA until 10/11.
Day 1 will end...eventually.
Countdown: 362447 days, 13 hours, 53 minutes
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House Survivor
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Pointing at two wagons and saying both are probably town is empty words.
Sly is probably town because of the people on his wagon, but zakk is full of townreads for me or I wouldn't be there.-
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zakk Jack of All Trades
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I also want to address this post.
I have played at least five or six games with SirCakez in the last year or so.In post 105, SirCakez wrote:zakk is great at faking scumhunting as scum
I wouldn't townread him for that yet
In every game where he is scum, he drums up the fact that I'm really good at scum, and that people shouldn't trust me.
Compare:
Kuribo in Wonderland:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk
Street Fighter Mafia:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk
Mass Effect Mafia:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk
Magical Girls Mafia:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk
Look at the way he constantly doubtcasts me, but ESPECIALLY as scum.
Note that I am town in all of these scenarios.
The only time I've been scum around SirCakez is when we were scumtogether, here:
Killer Instinct Mafia:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66274
So throw that in the pot along with all the votes which have been influenced by SirCakez.
That's all.-
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Ankamius Survivor
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I look at the slysly wagon and see him as town because my two strongest scumreads up to that point are on the wagon, but the zakk townread is because I see all my townreads mixed with medium-strength scumreads.In post 562, House wrote:Pointing at two wagons and saying both are probably town is empty words.
Sly is probably town because of the people on his wagon, but zakk is full of townreads for me or I wouldn't be there.
Just a quick look at the current zakk wagon makes me even more sure that zakk is town, actually.-
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Accountant Jack of All Trades
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Ankamius, who is the med-scum on zakk's wagon?There's nothing that says that a fake can't beat the real thing.
You must not imagine that for beings like you and us there can be laughter. The low men laugh, and we envy them. But for us, the higher ones, there is no laughter, only an unending vigil, purely serious, stretching on into the night.-
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SlySly Jack of All Trades
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Questioning a miller claim is pointless. Millers aren't gonna float to end game, very doubtful scum woud actually attempt that ride. Any miller that starts hammering or conveniently jumping to the easy wagons usually die in their sleep or a lynch if they wake up.In post 532, Andrius wrote:The emphasis should have been on the one post he made, not the Miller claim.
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What's the hurry?In post 550, Accountant wrote:We need to put him down right now.
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Hmmm. Kinda sketchy to jump off this wagon at this point, especially when still implying some level of suspicion against him with "will watch zakk." Could be zackscum buddy, or could be scum scared of opening zakk's L-2 christmas present.
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McMenno was blowing hot air. Blade called him on it. SirCakes seemed to scummily come to McM's defense. House "parroted", I should have said "piggy-backed" SirCake's scumminess. But SirCake then clarifies his definition to show his defense was more of a word than of McM.In post 560, Ankamius wrote:
That said, what exactly was the point of this and what does it even mean?In post 335, SlySly wrote:4. House parroted SirCakes when SirCakes was being scummy, but SirCakes later clarified his position.
In post 265, SirCakez wrote:
That's not flailing, that's dodging and being annoyingIn post 262, Blade Dancer wrote:
Y'all have one messed up view of flailing. When the request is scumhunt, and the target responds with you're a big meanie that is flail and deflection.In post 259, House wrote:
Truth.In post 258, SirCakez wrote:
No it's notIn post 255, Blade Dancer wrote:
Stop deflecting and trying to paint me as an unreasonable player on a witch hunt.In post 254, McMenno wrote:
I don't fucking knowIn post 252, Not Chara wrote:McMenno: why didn't you feel the need to comment before voting pepto?
anyway, blade dancer, are you going to keep datamining my posts for reasons to scumread me? because I'm trying to get the actual scum here
as you can hopefully understand the average density of players in recent large themes has made be a bit miffed
This is flailing.
I consider flailing to be when someone is being scunread widely and continues being scummy in response"SlySly is the scummiest player on the site." ~DrippingGoofball-
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zakk Jack of All Trades
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Ah, sorry, I forgot to mention, he also modded this game, where I more or less manipulated the crap out of people, wiped the floor with the town, and was the last man standing.In post 565, zakk wrote:I also want to address this post.
I have played at least five or six games with SirCakez in the last year or so.In post 105, SirCakez wrote:zakk is great at faking scumhunting as scum
I wouldn't townread him for that yet
In every game where he is scum, he drums up the fact that I'm really good at scum, and that people shouldn't trust me.
Compare:
Kuribo in Wonderland:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk
Street Fighter Mafia:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk
Mass Effect Mafia:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk
Magical Girls Mafia:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk
Look at the way he constantly doubtcasts me, but ESPECIALLY as scum.
Note that I am town in all of these scenarios.
The only time I've been scum around SirCakez is when we were scumtogether, here:
Killer Instinct Mafia:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66274
So throw that in the pot along with all the votes which have been influenced by SirCakez.
That's all.
New York 175: Adventure Mafiahttp://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=66557
So yes, he has really good reason NOT to trust me, but it's just a little old because he pushes me as scum EVERY game, yet every game he's seen where I AM scum, I don't actually draw this kind of attention to myself and make things happen like they are in this game. I'm content to play the long game. It's just easier to win as scum that way lol.
Either you think I'm purposefully manipulating my scum meta to be able to make this one point, one time, in one game, against ONE person, or, you accept that I'm the kind of player that has worked out a strategy that's good for town, and a strategy that's good for scum, and I pretty much stick to it, since it's been yielding win after win after win.
Thinking I'm scum here is just ... dumb, for anyone who has played with me before. It's like REALLY dumb.
But let's see how this plays out. No sense pretending like something that may never happen has already happened. If you think I'm scum, or want to see what will happen at L-2, vote me. If you think I'm town, push another wagon.
And I don't see anyone else pushing any other wagons real hard ... which... *HINT HINT*... my scumbuddies or myself would be doing, if I were scum-
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SlySly Jack of All Trades
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Ankamius Survivor
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zakk Jack of All Trades
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Next let's look at this one.
In post 103, House wrote:
Hi, I'm House.In post 98, zakk wrote:
If you don't want to be lynched after him, you'll join.In post 96, Creature wrote:I might eventually join on SlySly (or not).
UNVOTE:
What are you going to do about it?
So House didn't like that I threatened Creature with being lynched, and then he made a "show of power" or whatever by being like "what are you gonna do about it?"In post 108, House wrote:
I'm the one that started the wagon, remember?In post 104, zakk wrote:
Cool story bro. Are you voting SlySly? If not, why not?In post 99, House wrote:
I might spray battery acid in my eyes after reading your posts (or not).In post 96, Creature wrote:I might eventually join on SlySly (or not).
VOTE: zakk
Not even tracking the wagon he's pushing.
And then when (since I don't particularly scum read house) I said I was going to lynch scum and eat corn flakes -- a veiled reference to this old (and bad) attempt at advertising in movies:
And then I started poking him and poking him and poking him, to see if he WAS scum, because why would he abandon the SlySly wagon to vote me, just because I wasn't keeping track of who all was voting who, on page what, 7 or something at the time? It all made no sense, and I needed more info. He still seems town to me though, but I was doing it for two reasons, to find out his alignment, and also to get him to OMGUS vote me and help out in pushing MY wagon. Because, if I couldn't push a bogus-ish SlySly wagon to use it to get votes (something I do all the time, just to see who will jump on, and when, and why?), then using my wagon for the same purposes is more than good enough, plus if it ends up going through, I don't accidentally lynch someone who's not to blame for playing risky, whereas if I die, I have nobody to blame but myself.
So unless anyone is gonna argue that these three posts in particular DON'T look like I'm intentionally using inflammatory language like 'thanks in advance champ' and 'that'd be great, except it's totally wrong' etc., then you should probably just concede my point that I'm doing it on purpose to rile him up.
Which I am. And he's pushing my wagon. And things are working beautifully.
This is what you call "using the tools you have been given to accomplish your own ends".
Not that you're a tool or anything, House.
Anywayyyy,
Me being "suspected" and "wagonable" and "perhaps even lynchable" has the noticeable side-effect of me being left alive longer than usual by scum, which is always a nice thing-
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Ankamius Survivor
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Everyone in my scumlist are people I have significant scumreads on. The people in the null list are basically people I have scumreads on, but are insignificant enough that I'd probably be going for information over an actual lynch if I ever voted them.
Everyone in my townlist has either done :goodposting: in a lot of their posts, are town by association, or looked like town when engaging with one of my scumreads.-
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zakk Jack of All Trades
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Haha thanks. I figure I should begin dialing back on the assholery before I *actually* get myself lynched. Because that would help literally no one.In post 570, SlySly wrote:zakk's last 2 are pretty impressive.
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