But you called him scum with shannon d1. Later you kind of back off and change your read.
Again it just proves what I've been saying.
I was a vig and didn't shhot Zach 4 times. You're obviously biased
I mean I'm just skimming these games and I'm looking for your day 1 accuracy not entire game accuracy. You're day 1 accuracy isn't as accurate as you led people to believe.
I just read itlepip's iso in the past two games I've played with him. Dunn said he's acting just like town self in Stack the Deck. THAT COULD NOT BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH
Itlepip here has made SOFT votes the whole time--twice making a vote that said "voting X until Y happens", hasn't made scum reads in the way that I've seen (i.e. in this game there is no progression that follows from questions and sequences of solving) when in our other games, votes were made with confidence that a slot was really actually scummy
and the only real "push" in this game has been on Zach and the post reads as fake and unrighteous. especially considering he peeled off of it to vote massive and then now to put a loner vote on gerry when zach was an actual counterwagon
I can pull posts from town itlepip and then contrast them with this game if people want
but I would like to see itlepip become the competing wagon with dunn and with any luck we'll have s/s wagons. it's always best to have two strong competing wagons going into the end of a day to see where people go and force a choice.
so dunn and itlepip have been strong townreading each other the whole game and I just don't see how
I actually asked itlepip to explain where he thought dunn was super obvious town and he ignored that and came back with the pop-in to vote gerry
Spoiler:
In post 996, itlepip wrote:I've already said why Dunn is my top town, his thought process is super transparent and really easy to see town mentality
In post 997, PantherPunt wrote:
hi itlepip. I hope to find what you've already said in my reread, but for quick reference, can you show me the posts you find to have a super transparent thought process and/or particularly towny mentality?
dunn has just said it's the same itlepip as stack the deck and that's a terribly weak fallback meta read that he cannot substantiate. I can and am willing if he wants to go toe to toe with me substantiate that there is a huge difference.
so them townreading each other for absolutely no reason probably means they're both just wolves trying to powerwolf and strong townread each other
the alternative world where only one is a wolf and they are just TMI'ing that the other is town bc there is no basis for that read is possible but not probable
the world where they're both town and have been obstinately refusing to explain their reads on each other and struggling to form coherent thoughts and contribute to the game would make me so disappointed in both of them that I can't bear to believe it's a possible world
Itlepip in one of his posts said Dunn looked like he was sitting down trying to figure the game out (or something like that) and I haven't seen Dunn do that at all. If he had he certainly wouldn't be tunneling on somebody for a meta reason
you are sitting on off-wagon wasted votes.
what's your read on itlepip? on dunnstral?
and
@xkf
is zach a vote due to a dunn town read or a strong zach scum read? I could go look, but I imagine you have some new, further developed opinions to offer so I want to ask
@maria
you came in and naked voted zach out of nowehre then vanished. explain the vote. and I'd like your take on itlepip
In post 365, itlepip wrote:Weak town circle of about 5 (ASP, Grapes, Nos, Dunn, Naomi) strong of maybe 2 but not confident enough to post.
Null or mixed on Gerry, 2Face, Zach,
slight to mid scum on Massive, Maria, Toto
Also massive you need to give other reads really really soon.
In post 803, itlepip wrote:Weak town circle of about 5 (ASP, Twoface, Nos, Dunn, Naomi) Strong are Dunn and Naomi, weakest is ASP
Null or mixed on Toto, xkfyu
slight to mid scum on Massive, Gerry, Maria, Zach
uh VOTE: Massive right now until Gerry responds.
I just spent a good deal of time working from this first post to the second post and trying ot see if the progressions seem real (not that scum can't show progressions, but often times they are too lazy and instead just go with threadflow and adjust reads accordingly)
pregressions are fine with some exceptions
I need an explanation as to why nosferatu got into the towncircle and remained firmly planted there
What happened to the grapes read since it's completely omitted in the second comprehensive post?
k sorry gonna do a big catchup here cause I've been doing things recently and this kinda was a second or fourth priority.
Quickly I am a player that works hard to get strong town reads primarily and then builds off that since that has always been more successful for me. Dunn isn't 100% conf, but when you are talking about how towny clear progressions are Dunn had a lot of those early.
I use notes so Nos not moving is because nothing stuck out to me between the two posts and I had towny notes for her in the first readlist so there wasn't any reason to remove. I've honestly kinda forgotten that nos was in this game a couple of times.
Grapes is similar in the extent that I had towny notes, then nothing really happened with him, but I forget which post but 1 post pinged me a little so I reread his iso and I changed my read accordingly since it didn't match up with what I had remembered. FTR Grapes should be null/mixed.
Predictable, really I suppose. It was an act of purest optimism to have posed the question in the first place.
"Show him the fucking bread"
-Ether June 12, 2016, at 11:14 pm EST
In post 1164, itlepip wrote:Quickly I am a player that works hard to get strong town reads primarily and then builds off that since that has always been more successful for me. Dunn isn't 100% conf, but when you are talking about how towny clear progressions are Dunn had a lot of those early.
I think you may be confusing games here because I don't remember any clear progressions from Dunn. If you want to point these out for me that would be great.
Right now Dunn is pushing on a "meta" read and not pushing on somebody that he thinks was coached.
As far as I can tell dunn thinks both zach and toto are scum, he even went as much as to say that if he is wrong about toto then somebody else is scum.
A townie should be pushing for the more serious in game reason of being coached vs an out of game reason like meta.
Dunn is scum or a really bad player, and I know dunn isn't a really bad player.
In post 1161, PantherPunt wrote:@massive
@naomi
@gerry
you are sitting on off-wagon wasted votes.
what's your read on itlepip? on dunnstral?
Are you also not on an off wagon?
I feel fine on itlepip I think they are trying at least. Dunnstral.. I think i'll vote for today as between zach and dunn I feel zach is more likely to be town aligned.
I respect effort. I have yet to see any. I mean at least 2 people have asked for evidence to support his reads and he hasn't obliged. how is that effort?
that's why I am wondering if we are even reading the same game.
In post 1152, Dunnstral wrote:And are you really voting me based off of something from the start without reading the rest
nah I gotta read the rest but I'm just puttin my vote down, if I find some ridiculously towny shit with enough time before the deadline, I'll take it off. But at the same time if I don't think we can swing it around before deadline, I have to leave it on because we need a lynch.
In post 996, itlepip wrote:I've already said why Dunn is my top town, his thought process is super transparent and really easy to see town mentality
In post 1164, itlepip wrote:Dunn isn't 100% conf, but when you are talking about how towny clear progressions are Dunn had a lot of those early.
I use notes so Nos not moving is because nothing stuck out to me between the two posts and I had towny notes for her in the first readlist so there wasn't any reason to remove. I've honestly kinda forgotten that nos was in this game a couple of times.
Grapes is similar in the extent that I had towny notes, then nothing really happened with him, but I forget which post but 1 post pinged me a little so I reread his iso and I changed my read accordingly since it didn't match up with what I had remembered. FTR Grapes should be null/mixed.
they gave reads and reasons.. your just not reading them. AGAIN
