Mini 1836: Space Mafia (Game Over)

[Toto]

Don't we need a claim soon? or is it already too late?

[Naomi-Tan]

we got about 20 hours ish

[itlepip]

I literally just have 'mild town read' in my notes

[Zachstralkita]

like more than I've ever been with him. if I'm wrong i give two fucks what you guys do to me , I've been like a default vote anyway

[itlepip]

Dunn should claim at this point even though I really don't think he should be lynched I'm not sure I can put together a case on him and a secondary wagon in time.

Ew Zach wtf was that shit.

[Zachstralkita]

I have witnessed people just vote me for lack of a better option


I said that because I bet any amount of money that whatever shitty claim gets thrown out will be accepted by you guys.

[Nosferatu]

ok. There are like 70 some instances of "zach" in dunn's ISO and they are literally all just calling him scum because "his aura is off". And then his explanation for this is because of one game where zach was scum and brushed dunn off.

This looks like either a. dunn trying to confbias himself into a genuine scumread on Zach by saying he's scum over and over again (fake it 'til you make it) b. Dunn is town and is deathtunneling the fuck out of Zach.

[Nosferatu]

Considering I don't remember dunn having a propensity for such actions in the games I've previously played with him, I'm gonna stick to a.

[TwoFace]

I've already said why Dunn is my top town, his thought process is super transparent and really easy to see town mentality

Dunn isn't 100% conf, but when you are talking about how towny clear progressions are Dunn had a lot of those early.

I use notes so Nos not moving is because nothing stuck out to me between the two posts and I had towny notes for her in the first readlist so there wasn't any reason to remove. I've honestly kinda forgotten that nos was in this game a couple of times.

Grapes is similar in the extent that I had towny notes, then nothing really happened with him, but I forget which post but 1 post pinged me a little so I reread his iso and I changed my read accordingly since it didn't match up with what I had remembered. FTR Grapes should be null/mixed.

they gave reads and reasons.. your just not reading them. AGAIN

Mr. Roleplay as both town and scum, surely you know scum are capable of giving reads and reasons right? You aren't that naive are you?

My biggest issue is he's been asked multiple times to explain his dunn read, 2 people even asked for examples

where is his effort to provide those? I don't see any effort.

[itlepip]

does anyone have any reads right now?

Zach is scum
Grapes is town
Twoface is going to be a real

treat

to play with but maybe town
Xkfyu is towny
Toto is scummy

Don't have opinions on the rest

These reads are a). pretty darn good and consistent if you look at Dunn's current reads, and also make perfect sense if you look at how Dunn started out the game. They also are relatively similar to my reads which doesn't mean too much except for the fact that Dunn this game has been as quick to defend me as me him which means the similar though process thing occurred to both of us which means he is very most likely town.

I have a lot of townreads right now:

Xkfyu
Grapes
itlepip (so far)
twoface

Still think Zach is scum

Not sure if Naomi is actually scummy or just awkward

Maria is off for me

Again clear read progression, only thing I disagree here is with Naomi who I also think is fairly towny this game.

It just seemed odd you were townreading them so fast. I mean. They must have done something townlike to make her go from neutral to town in your view, right? Or in other words, does lack of mafia tells in 7 pages means town or neutral?

I don't townread people unless I think they're town
I don't try to lynch people unless I think they're mafia
If They're neutral I'd still try to switch the vote to someone I scumread

I don't consider my reads to have formed too fast

Ok,

I'll try to ask this in a different way then,

I'm not asking you lynch anyone, or change your read or vote. I honestly want to understand what is it that made you read Grapes as town. We have different point of views on them and maybe I'm missing something, and I'd like to adjust my reads based on that.

You said you have seen them play as >>mafia<< before, and they are behaving as >>town<< so far.

I'm sorry if you find me too picky here. But this statement doesn't make too much sense to me.

My interpretation is that you said: "I've seen grapes play as mafia before [and I don't see their scumtells so far], therefore I'm reading them as town".

But is that the right conclusion? Why not just neutral? what makes them different from your other neutral reads?

I think they're town because I think they're not mafia

It's not the lack of "scumtells", it's Grapes acting contrary. I Know meta can change and all but from what I've seen Grapes as scum knows how to get people to relax around them in a way, and they look like they're scumhunting and helping town. Whereas Grapes here is all over the place, honestly doesn't seem to know what they're doing and seems understandably confused having drawn town. And they don't have the facade. Unfortunately the "competence" aura doesn't seem to have transferred over as Grapes really does appear to be washed up town here

This was 100% why I had an early townread on Grapes, it dissipated a bit on reread but I remember having Grapes as my top town in the beginning of the game for this reason.

Willimg to lynch MariaR

And Zach

I'm not into policy lynches but if itlepip, Gerry, or something smart got to l-1 I'd hammer.

:?: itlepip is pretty towny

My only worry with my Dunn read is that maybe I got pocketed, but I think is makes so much sense for TownDunn to give me the townread he has and in the way that he has that this sort of defending for me also seems really towny.


pedit: good timing.

[TwoFace]

write it off as conf. bias if you want but all of those could easily come from scum

[itlepip]

I mean yes nobody ever said mafia is an exact science especially before any flips or results. Look I'm not saying the chance of Dunn being scum is 0% cause I would be way more pissy if that were the case, but I think nearly everyone else in this game is more likely to be scum than him.

[TwoFace]

I mean yes nobody ever said mafia is an exact science especially before any flips or results. Look I'm not saying the chance of Dunn being scum is 0% cause I would be way more pissy if that were the case, but I think nearly everyone else in this game is more likely to be scum than him.

It's odd your strongest scum read is the person who's literally done no scum hunting.

[PantherPunt]

Panther come on bruh you really think an itlepip wagon will take off...

I'd rather not let Dunn weasel his way out of this one, I think I'm pretty on point with this one

I almost voted Dunn multiple times yesterday but runaway wagons are bad, even when they're on scum imho

Ideally I want to see this VC end at 7-6. So a counter wagon is needed and I don't believe you're the best counterwagon.

The fact that itlepip could not gain any traction actually means something. I want everyone to check in and declare where they are at on as many people as they can voice.

Then we will talk about possible meaning of vote movement and momentum

[PantherPunt]

trying to organize where I'm at on everyone to establish a solid read list.

Twoface is my strongest read in the game - town

Feel pretty darn good about Naomi despite some oddities in that ISO

Zach felt town on ISO

massive felt town on ISO but that was a very quick ISO

My gut on Toto early was town. and I kinda liked what I just saw where she flips her Dunn read and Dunn calls it out and she just says "changed my mind"
I find scum trying to overly explain those types of things

need to dig on the rest and come back

[TwoFace]

weird I am your top town read. I mean yeah awesome woo hoo, but I haven't played a great game so it's weird.

I also don't like the idea of everyone sharing as many reads as they can at this point in the game, mainly cause I am against people doing it at any stage of the game. I have this weird thing about list reads

[grapes]

These reads are a). pretty darn good and consistent

Disagree wholeheartedly. What's town about stagnant reads anyhow?

[grapes]

Kinda doubt pip's scum with dunn and don't really support a wagon there regardless. Like I said earlier I think dunn just tickled his town bone a bit and now he's pocketed.

[grapes]

@Panther

Dunn wagon isn't a runaway. It's had a lot of time to bubble and build up. Which, doesn't make it definitely on scum but it does make me more enthusiastic about it.

[PantherPunt]

grapes iso went from like > dislike > like again. 860 is towny enough to move him out of the pool for me today

p-edit: oh hey speaking of..

it has had a lot of time to build, but the lack of a counter still gives me pause. unless zach is the counter scum were going for..but you'd think they'd have another option among the pool of 10 that more people might be willing to vote.

[PantherPunt]

weird I am your top town read. I mean yeah awesome woo hoo,

but I haven't played a great game so it's weird.

I also don't like the idea of everyone sharing as many reads as they can at this point in the game, mainly cause I am against people doing it at any stage of the game. I have this weird thing about list reads

weird thing to say when there haven't been any flips

....
points to anyone who can say why

elaboration would be ideal...

[PantherPunt]

reread massive. don't want to lynch today

[Something_Smart]

VC 1.21

Dunnstral (6)- Zachstralkita, grapes, Toto, TwoFace, Nosferatu, Naomi-Tan

(L-1)

Zachstralkita (3)- Dunnstral, Xkfyu, MariaR
itlepip (2)- gerryoat, PantherPunt
Naomi-Tan (1)- massive
gerryoat (1)- itlepip

Not voting (0)- NOBODY

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

(expired on 2016-10-13 11:00:00)

Mod notes: [/area]

[TwoFace]

weird I am your top town read. I mean yeah awesome woo hoo,

but I haven't played a great game so it's weird.

I also don't like the idea of everyone sharing as many reads as they can at this point in the game, mainly cause I am against people doing it at any stage of the game. I have this weird thing about list reads

weird thing to say when there haven't been any flips

....
points to anyone who can say why

elaboration would be ideal...

it's not weird at all actually. being right/wrong isn't the only criteria for playing a good game.

[PantherPunt]

I don't like Nos's iso at all.

RVS vote

couple catch up posts that are commentary mode. little quips but no actual analysis that I see, and no follow up on anything that resembles analysis. like just posting bc he knows he needs to post. throws shade in various directions but never makes a push.

says he thinks naomi and massive are both scummy but can't be scum together, but when he later unvotes massive, he says "just been sitting on rvs vote so I'll take it off"

I was really pinged out by him saying he doesn't have reads on main wagons so he can't vote. subsequently followed up by finding one thing to pick out to vote dunn for

is problem for me